Dating is so difficult. Its so hard to tell if your getting rejected for your looks or for what ur saying.

[Anchor_Ship]

Do a to get to point b rinse and repeat it’s all bullshit I don’t care

 

[Deleted member 14793]

Being good looking doesn’t guarantee you sex or girls obsessing over you at all, it’s not like once you’re good looking every single girl is trying to sexually assault you and is asking you out. It’s a numbers game no matter who you are, but if you are good looking the chances of you finding sex or a relationship is WAYYY higher than if you’re average or ugly and you can get away with a ton more things. Even chads have to put in effort and work and have to make the first move, they get played too, ghosted etc. Of course looks matter and are the absolute biggest factor in dating but they aren’t the only factor.

 

[fifteenflagsfly]

You can relax, it's your looks that determine the outcome, I used to have great game, and still didn't get anywhere...I approached online and in real life hundreds of girls and went on dates with dozens of them.

Around a third of these dates were really painful, the conversation went absolutely nowhere - I would ask a question about them or their life and get just a short conversation ending response. I would say something about me, or a funny story, a joke, an observation, etc. and their only reaction was "OK...", "Right....", Uh-huh..." followed by awkward silence - it was very cringy, I didn't know how to get out of there faster...
In another third of dates the conversation would go pretty well - they would answer, ask me things back in return, make various observations to the things I said, etc., but they kept their distance and had an overly polite or business-like tone of voice; whenever I would try to get closer to them, flirt or push things further they kept their distance or acted like they didn't understand where I was trying to get, etc.... These kind of dates always left me scratching my head - I didn't know where exactly I was standing and what to do after this: should I call these girls back or what...?
The last third of dates however would go amazingly well: the conversation would flow very smoothly, we would discover we had many things in common, I would have funny or witty things to reply to whatever they said, I would quickly get close to them - flirt, say seductive things, while they giggled, then I would touch them, hug them, kiss them, and they seemed to enjoy it a lot. After the date was over, I would go home happy, thinking I just got myself a new girlfriend. But here's the thing: in almost all of these cases the end result was the same: I was ghosted, ended in the friendzone or receive some bullshit excuse like: "I'm so busy right now, I just don't have time for a relationship", "You're a great guy, but I like you more as a friend", etc...
I had no idea what was happening here, since I did everything perfectly, until I discovered the blackpill and realized that no amount of 'game' can compensate for your looks - the difference between a friend and a boyfriend is determined by your looks. Period!

Nah tbh this is kind of cope, I see LTRs everyday both with people that I know and those I don't. I never see any of these guys being anything more than normie

Listen, most people are fucking UGLY. They have gfs, they have a social circle, they live good lives.

How can you legit say only chad gets a gf? Everyone gets a gf! Unless you have severe mental problems, every single man has had multiple girlfriends, you do not need looks. Even 5"3 men have had multiple GFs. I'd say around 5% of the male population hasn't had significant amount of GFs/sex.

I thought like this back in the day that you need to be perfect to get a girlfriend but now I genuinely am convinced otherwise, I actually trust in what girls say that "confidence matters" because when you see the guys they date, it is NOTHING compared to chad and I mean NOTHING.

You people are just spilling this blackpill garbage to make sub 8 men feel less confident after they visit this site.

IF YOU ARE A SUB 8 MALE PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS, YOU CAN GET A GIRLFRIEND AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONFIDENT, NT AND HAVE A SOCIAL-CIRCLE, PLEASE DON'T LET THIS KIND OF MINDSET WARP YOU.

 

[Chadethnic101]

Really? I think once you matched with the girl on a dating app, she wants to "feel a connection" or you need to have som kind of texting game, etc.
While in real life, you could just say whatever and she wouldn't care that much as long as you look good.

Not true other way around the, look at the number of times girls don't even respond after matching

 

[fifteenflagsfly]

I repeat BLACKPILL IS COPE COMPARED TO NT THEORY.

LISTEN HERE, Most people are fucking UGLY. They have gfs, they have a social circle, they live good lives.

IF YOU ARE A SUB 8 MALE PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS, YOU CAN GET A GIRLFRIEND AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONFIDENT, NT AND HAVE A SOCIAL-CIRCLE, PLEASE DON'T LET THIS KIND OF MINDSET WARP YOU.

 

[DrTony]

I repeat BLACKPILL IS COPE COMPARED TO NT THEORY.

LISTEN HERE, Most people are fucking UGLY. They have gfs, they have a social circle, they live good lives.

IF YOU ARE A SUB 8 MALE PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE LIKE THIS, YOU CAN GET A GIRLFRIEND AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONFIDENT, NT AND HAVE A SOCIAL-CIRCLE, PLEASE DON'T LET THIS KIND OF MINDSET WARP YOU.

Ok what is your body count then?

 

[cardiologist]

Really? I think once you matched with the girl on a dating app, she wants to "feel a connection" or you need to have som kind of texting game, etc.
While in real life, you could just say whatever and she wouldn't care that much as long as you look good.

IRL still needs personality.

Looks gets your foot in the door but personality lets you stay. But also depends if looking for something real or just hookup.

 

[fifteenflagsfly]

Ok what is your body count then?

Cope I have learning difficulties, not-NT, and have childhood trauma. Literally that's all I talk about, I take meds and go to therapy and I have been in mental clinics since 14

But I know TOO many average looking NT guys that do well with women.

 

[DrTony]

Cope I have learning difficulties, not-NT, and have childhood trauma. Literally that's all I talk about, I take meds and go to therapy and I have been in mental clinics.

But I know TOO many average looking NT guys that do well with women.

This theory of yours does not jive with my experience in life. That’s why I asked about your bodycount, not to offend you. Normies have low body counts, maybe 1-2 random hook ups a year with effort, and can only get sex through LTRing Beckies with plenty of jestermaxxing.

Also I feel the primary reason why you are not getting pushy is not your non-NT ness , but your looks. Ofc looks and being NT are moderately correlated.

 

[NOFAP 2022]

This theory of yours does not jive with my experience in life. That’s why I asked about your bodycount, not to offend you. Normies have low body counts, maybe 1-2 random hook ups a year with effort, and can only get sex through LTRing Beckies with plenty of jestermaxxing.

Also I feel the primary reason why you are not getting pushy is not your non-NT ness , but your looks. Ofc looks and being NT are moderately correlated.

I will pay U a visit soon Dr. Tony

 

[fifteenflagsfly]

This theory of yours does not jive with my experience in life. That’s why I asked about your bodycount, not to offend you. Normies have low body counts, maybe 1-2 random hook ups a year with effort, and can only get sex through LTRing Beckies with plenty of jestermaxxing.

Also I feel the primary reason why you are not getting pushy is not your non-NT ness , but your looks. Ofc looks and being NT are moderately correlated.

When I say its my looks people say no its ur non-NT, when I say its my non-NT people say its ur looks.

I'm not posting my picture here to determine which is which but I live in England which is home of NT theory over looks you see men that look like anything, ethnics of all races, 5"3 guys etc pulling alot of women due to NT.

 

[Deleted member 16552]

Fact = Attractive Women are competitive and having a good looking boyfriend is a status symbol. You don't have to be the hottest bf out of her group of friends but you have to be hot enough to brag about. They want to hang out with their friends, show pics of both of you together and have her friends be all like "oooohhhhh he's CUTE"

You don't want to attend an event and be the ugly lump of shit boyfriend.

They don't want some fat bloated mess with a pile of shit for a face that their friends have to lie and be like "ooohhh yeah he's good looking" but they can tell they're lying.

If you're GL enough, you're easygoing, not abusive and are loyal, and you treat them like queens they will almost never "shop around" , dump you, or cheat. Almost never. Because they have a trophy and they're not letting it go. They don't want to be the "single friend" that can't get a date or keep a bf. They want to be spoiled. They want to take care of you. They want to bring a handsome , nice guy home to Mom. It's a way to show they've achieved in life.

It's Status.

This shit goes back millions of years. Women want the best men and they want to throw them in other chick's faces.

If you are ugly, you must settle for ugly women who have no options. Accept this.

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Fact = Attractive Women are competitive and having a good looking boyfriend is a status symbol. You don't have to be the hottest bf out of her group of friends but you have to be hot enough to brag about. They want to hang out with their friends, show pics of both of you together and have her friends be all like "oooohhhhh he's CUTE"

You don't want to attend an event and be the ugly lump of shit boyfriend.

They don't want some fat bloated mess with a pile of shit for a face that their friends have to lie and be like "ooohhh yeah he's good looking" but they can tell they're lying.

If you're GL enough, you're easygoing, not abusive and are loyal, and you treat them like queens they will almost never "shop around" , dump you, or cheat. Almost never. Because they have a trophy and they're not letting it go. They don't want to be the "single friend" that can't get a date or keep a bf. They want to be spoiled. They want to take care of you. They want to bring a handsome , nice guy home to Mom. It's a way to show they've achieved in life.

It's Status.

This shit goes back millions of years. Women want the best men and they want to throw them in other chick's faces.

If you are ugly, you must settle for ugly women who have no options. Accept this.

i dont agree with the bit i highlighted but the rest yeah

 

[Gonthar]

Nah tbh this is kind of cope, I see LTRs everyday both with people that I know and those I don't. I never see any of these guys being anything more than normie

Listen, most people are fucking UGLY. They have gfs, they have a social circle, they live good lives.

How can you legit say only chad gets a gf? Everyone gets a gf! Unless you have severe mental problems, every single man has had multiple girlfriends, you do not need looks. Even 5"3 men have had multiple GFs. I'd say around 5% of the male population hasn't had significant amount of GFs/sex.

Buddy, didn't you read my second post, I already said I had three girlfriends...
But in two cases the girls were crazy, and I was dumped with no warning or explanations after a short time. The longest relationship lasted for several years, but it was filled with drama, fights, shit-tests, etc. no amount of holding frame or acting alpha can compensate if you're ugly/short, you won't hold the power in a relationship and you'll be treated like crap by your 'girlfriend', and there's not much you can do - she has you by the balls, she can leave any time and has plenty of other options but you don't, so you're pretty much stuck there in a very stressful, unsatisfying situation.

 

[fifteenflagsfly]

Buddy, didn't you read my second post, I already said I had three girlfriends...
But in two cases the girls were crazy, and I was dumped with no warning or explanations after a short time. The longest relationship lasted for several years, but it was filled with drama, fights, shit-tests, etc. no amount of holding frame or acting alpha can compensate if you're ugly/short, you won't hold the power in a relationship and you'll be treated like crap by your 'girlfriend', and there's not much you can do - she has you by the balls, she can leave any time and has plenty of other options but you don't, so you're pretty much stuck there in a very stressful, unsatisfying situation.

Cope not all girls are giving average men constant shit tests, sure the man might have little power over the girl but their gfs still love them.

Of course if you're average and you go for top tier girls they are gonna shit test you but most girls are not so full of themselves to crush a normie's self esteem in that manner. Face it the average man can have long term good relationships with women who are good looking (7/10) as long as they are NT, popular, confident and are part of a social circle.

Most relationships aren't drama filled actually they are kinda boring, most girls aren't immature like that to constantly test their bf otherwise they would just not get in a relationship to begin with.

 

[Gonthar]

Cope not all girls are giving average men constant shit tests, sure the man might have little power over the girl but their gfs still love them.

You are very naive...

 

[Deleted member 17525]

If you look decent simping and jestermaxxing will actually have the opposite effect. If she thinks you look good she already expects you to be getting girls and have lots of options.

By simping or overly jestermaxxing you’re setting your value below hers. You gotta unironically be confident and act like you’re the shit.

At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. Even for chad

It doesn't matter what you say if a girl is into you

 

[Deleted member 15556]

It doesn't matter what you say if a girl is into you

True. But how you say it does.

Also there is a limit to what you can say, which goes without saying.

 

[CosmicMaxxer]

True. But how you say it does.

Also there is a limit to what you can say, which goes without saying.

you don't say

 

[Deleted member 17345]

words matter but looks mog words and looks can backup shit talking

 

[reputation]

Yeah I know chad can say what he wants and still get the girl.

But for htn/chadlite people. its so hard to tell whether im getting rejected for my looks or for what im saying.

i can get a decent amount of matches, but then all the convo's fizzle out. id say i have reasonably good game.

because there is literally no way to tell whether its cos of ur looks or something u said. i used to be redpilled so i thought it was alwys what i said.now im more blackpilled so ofc its mainly looks and smv. but i do think there is still a part of the equation that includes how good ur game is.

so idk man. i guess ill keep improving my looks. but its hard to tell what things you should say/not say again cos it mightve just been good game, but a rejection for ur looks.

so difficult man.

it's not, you let other side know your appearance ASAP and if they like it they will keep you around or more

 

[Deleted member 795]

Unless you say things like that you shit your pants, it is just your looks.

Jfl, 2022 and people still is in "maybe it is what i said"

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Unless you say things like that you shit your pants, it is just your looks.

Jfl, 2022 and people still is in "maybe it is what i said"

ok thanks for the reality check

 

[Chadethnic101]

Higher your looks, the more you can say dumb aspie shit and get away with it.

However do it too much and the girl will not see you again.

Think of it like a scale
You are 5 psl strong HTN, she thinks you are decent looking (not I wanna jump right into bed good-looking though)
If you have great conversation, speak confidently escalate, lead her well, you can turn that 6/10 attraction into an 8, which can result in having sex with her.

However you say random.dumb shit like a retard and can speak properly to her , then that attraction drops to a 4/10 and she's not gonna go back with you.

Tyler Maher for example has a huge margin of error before girls decide not to sleep with him.

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Higher your looks, the more you can say dumb aspie shit and get away with it.

However do it too much and the girl will not see you again.

Think of it like a scale
You are 5 psl strong HTN, she thinks you are decent looking (not I wanna jump right into bed good-looking though)
If you have great conversation, speak confidently escalate, lead her well, you can turn that 6/10 attraction into an 8, which can result in having sex with her.

However you say random.dumb shit like a retard and can speak properly to her , then that attraction drops to a 4/10 and she's not gonna go back with you.

Tyler Maher for example has a huge margin of error before girls decide not to sleep with him.

I wish i was chad so I could just be myself and say what i want without having to follow guidelines

 

[Seth Walsh]

Higher your looks, the more you can say dumb aspie shit and get away with it.

However do it too much and the girl will not see you again.

Think of it like a scale
You are 5 psl strong HTN, she thinks you are decent looking (not I wanna jump right into bed good-looking though)
If you have great conversation, speak confidently escalate, lead her well, you can turn that 6/10 attraction into an 8, which can result in having sex with her.

However you say random.dumb shit like a retard and can speak properly to her , then that attraction drops to a 4/10 and she's not gonna go back with you.

Tyler Maher for example has a huge margin of error before girls decide not to sleep with him.

Why would you say dumb aspie shit in the first place? Most people are just chill dudes anyways. The myth that you need an exuberant, above average personality to set your self apart in terms of attraction is completely debunked. It's easy to just be yourself and not say dumb aspie shit. It's commonsense-maxxing. But most scam artists would try sell you that common sense as "game".

 

[Deleted member 17829]

Why would you say dumb aspie shit in the first place? Most people are just chill dudes anyways. The myth that you need an exuberant, above average personality to set your self apart in terms of attraction is completely debunked. It's easy to just be yourself and not say dumb aspie shit. It's commonsense-maxxing. But most scam artists would try sell you that common sense as "game".

ah i suppose so.

also game is nothing to be jealous of. its literally just grown men jestermaxxing to get women to talk to them

 

[Seth Walsh]

ah i suppose so.

also game is nothing to be jealous of. its literally just grown men jestermaxxing to get women to talk to them

Jestermaxxing doesn't do anything except make you look like an idiot. If a girl likes you, you won't be acting like a clown in front of her. If you think "Jestermaxxing" is gonna work as a "game tactic" to get chicks, then I'm really sorry but I have to let you know that "game" is not real and was made to scam incel 40 year olds back in 2005. Jestermaxxing isn't a thing.

Wheat Waffles said this in his last video pretty much word for word "If you're normie tier, you might need to jestermaxx your way up to getting her".

Sorry to let you know but he is a scammer, no different than PUA scammers; just a lot better at hooking people in. He wants to get people to believe in delusion, so he can capitalize off people's lack of clarity and experience.