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@FlotPSL honestly, let's move it to a thread because arguing through my profile is a pain in the ass.
You said... and I quote: "We rely on stomach acid not on enzymes", this essentially means "We rely on stomach acid" ; "We don't rely on enzymes". Maybe it's just nit-picking stuff, but even ignoring that, stomach acid STILL HAS ENZYMES. So, what was the point here?
Your claim was that plants were not a part of the primitive human diet, right? Well the research disagrees, there are tons more you can dig up, but I'll be focusing on one article (which I will be providing below). "Dental microwear texture analysis shows within-species diet variability in fossil hominins"
By comparing microwear textures of fossil hominins with those of living primates with known diets, the researchers linked specific microwear patterns to food types.
There's also more recent evidence of anciet humans consuming plant foods. These guys lived roughly when the ice age ended.
Here's another fun one, involved your beloved isotopes. Suggesting that 3 million years ago we were both consuming fruits and LEAVES, as well as animal products.
And these guys lived just about when the ice age started. So all other primates eat fruits, nuts, seeds and leaves. Our ancestors from before the ice age ate leaves. Our ancestors after the ice age ate leaves too... And I'm like 99% sure we also ate some leaves, nuts, seeds and tubers during the ice age as well, they definitely weren't as common, but humans during that period ate them too, although since I don't have the evidence to cite, I won't be using that as a strong claim, since that's more an opinion rather than anything validated by any research I can provide (this is a jab at you if you didn't catch it, btw).
If you want to talk about science, we also have to share studies, science is not made through opinions, it is done through scientific research, which is mostly shared through articles and studies. So yeah, since you claimed there were "tons" of studies validating what you said, I'd love to read some of them. Again, I'm also open to providing as much research as you'd want to validate every single one of the points I've made.
This conversation would turn pretty dull and meaningless if we simply limit ourselves to saying this and that, but never bothering to prove anything, at that point it just becomes a game of who can repeat their opinion the most, not actual "scientific talk".
Again, the fact that we cannot digest fiber is what makes it good, because our gut microbiome CAN digest it, and that has net health benefits, and that aside fiber helps bowel movement. "But why aren't rock goods then?" what
? I'm not even gonna try to answer that one, I think you should have enough common sense to do it on your own, regardless, I'm convinced that had to be trolling.
Anyways, fiber is good for you! It helps cancer treatment, it benefits gut health, it even helps your heart!
You said... and I quote: "We rely on stomach acid not on enzymes", this essentially means "We rely on stomach acid" ; "We don't rely on enzymes". Maybe it's just nit-picking stuff, but even ignoring that, stomach acid STILL HAS ENZYMES. So, what was the point here?
Your claim was that plants were not a part of the primitive human diet, right? Well the research disagrees, there are tons more you can dig up, but I'll be focusing on one article (which I will be providing below). "Dental microwear texture analysis shows within-species diet variability in fossil hominins"
By comparing microwear textures of fossil hominins with those of living primates with known diets, the researchers linked specific microwear patterns to food types.
There's also more recent evidence of anciet humans consuming plant foods. These guys lived roughly when the ice age ended.
Here's another fun one, involved your beloved isotopes. Suggesting that 3 million years ago we were both consuming fruits and LEAVES, as well as animal products.
And these guys lived just about when the ice age started. So all other primates eat fruits, nuts, seeds and leaves. Our ancestors from before the ice age ate leaves. Our ancestors after the ice age ate leaves too... And I'm like 99% sure we also ate some leaves, nuts, seeds and tubers during the ice age as well, they definitely weren't as common, but humans during that period ate them too, although since I don't have the evidence to cite, I won't be using that as a strong claim, since that's more an opinion rather than anything validated by any research I can provide (this is a jab at you if you didn't catch it, btw).
If you want to talk about science, we also have to share studies, science is not made through opinions, it is done through scientific research, which is mostly shared through articles and studies. So yeah, since you claimed there were "tons" of studies validating what you said, I'd love to read some of them. Again, I'm also open to providing as much research as you'd want to validate every single one of the points I've made.
This conversation would turn pretty dull and meaningless if we simply limit ourselves to saying this and that, but never bothering to prove anything, at that point it just becomes a game of who can repeat their opinion the most, not actual "scientific talk".
Again, the fact that we cannot digest fiber is what makes it good, because our gut microbiome CAN digest it, and that has net health benefits, and that aside fiber helps bowel movement. "But why aren't rock goods then?" what
? I'm not even gonna try to answer that one, I think you should have enough common sense to do it on your own, regardless, I'm convinced that had to be trolling.Anyways, fiber is good for you! It helps cancer treatment, it benefits gut health, it even helps your heart!
- I thought you were saying fruit was good? Fruits ARE plants.
- Your body is mostly water... it won't dehydrate you if you consume a proper amount of electrolytes from your diet. Also, if tribal people didn't drink water, they'd be dead. Thankfully they do get their water from the food they eat, for example many of them drink blood, which as you may assume.. is mostly water! But I'd argue that their choice to avoid water is not a pragmatic, but the fact that getting clean water as an isolated community is incredibly difficult. But if we tried to get into arguing about why water is good for you, we'd be in another crazy argument, so let's leave it at that.
- Yes, anyone making a sound argument is obviouslyyy AI, am I right?
- "Plants have no nutritional value" this is just factually incorrect. Nutrients are ESSENTIAL COMPONENTS FOR LIFE, if you get no micronutrient intake in your diet your bodily systems would quickly degrade and you would diet. So how come people survive decades eating a plant-base diet? If your statement about plants having zero nutrition was correct, then no one that doesn't eat meat, would be alive right now.
- Plants miss over 15 micronutrients... right... like which ones?
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