DEBATE ABOUT VEGETABLES IN THE DIET.

[Zeekie]

people in the stone age with no studies/technological and theoretical advancement were 11235 times happier than you, new studies show...

Yes, but they were blatantly ignorant, perhaps you see yourself reflected in them?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

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Studies bullshit propaganda, me no read, unbale to read, me just eat raw meet n get euphorua

 

[PrimalPlasty]

Yes, but they were blatantly ignorant, perhaps you see yourself reflected in them?

so whats happier, happiness or studies/technological and theoretical advancement in life?

 

[PrimalPlasty]

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Studies bullshit propaganda, me no read, unbale to read, me just eat raw meet n get euphorua

kinda based, all raw meat people seem happy to me!

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

so whats happier, happiness or studies/technological and theoretical advancement in life?

we are way more happier, healthier & safer than stone age lol

JFL if you think otherwise

 

[Zeekie]

so whats happier, happiness or studies/technological and theoretical advancement in life?

I couldn't care less who was happier, I care about what's right in this context. But they say ignorance is bliss, that's however not a philosophy I'd like to subscribe to.

 

[PrimalPlasty]

we are way more happier, healthier & safer than stone age lol

JFL if you think otherwise

Jfl at you cause you think youre high iq smh

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

kinda based, all raw meat people seem happy to me!

goatis parrot,
Happy people don't desperately cling on to any cult promising happiness

 

[PrimalPlasty]

I couldn't care less who was happier, I care about what's right in this context. But they say ignorance is bliss, that's however not a philosophy I'd like to subscribe to.

youre depressed and miserable and cope with stupid stuff like studies, the jig is up

 

[PrimalPlasty]

goatis parrot,
Happy people don't desperately cling on to any cult promising happiness

or maybe they know the difference of experiencing life eating garbage and eating "naturally" (our species appropriate species specific diet) and really want to make other people feel happier too, ofc there are some people who overexegerrate it, but happiness should just be a normal homeostatic state of humans

 

[Zeekie]

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Studies bullshit propaganda, me no read, unbale to read, me just eat raw meet n get euphorua

Hey, at least we tried, it is next to impossible to try and convince this kind of people to change their beliefs, the parasites probably already got to their brains. My point here was to prevent anyone else from falling into this crazy ideology, all we have left is to let time tell who's right.

Also, we were lucky idk if you have met that dude asdvek, he's the only person in this forum I can actually say I dislike You saw all the bullshit said here? Well imagine it amplified x10, these people at least tried to be logical, he just doesn't care.

 

[Zeekie]

youre depressed and miserable and cope with stupid stuff like studies, the jig is up

I'm pretty happy with my life, and so seems to be the majority of the human population that don't eat like we used to do like 3 million years ago, you're a regressionist disgrace to humanity

 

[PrimalPlasty]

Hey, at least we tried, it is next to impossible to try and convince this kind of people to change their beliefs, the parasites probably already got to their brains. My point here was to prevent anyone else from falling into this crazy ideology, all we have left is to let time tell who's right.

Also, we were lucky idk if you have met that dude asdvek, he's the only person in this forum I can actually say I dislike You saw all the bullshit said here? Well imagine it amplified x10, these people at least tried to be logical, he just doesn't care.

its so fucking funny how you guys think youre intellectually superior in ANY way you talk like we are aliens, get over it, its just food/diet in the end

 

[PrimalPlasty]

I'm pretty happy with my life, and so seems to be the majority of the human population that don't eat like we used to do like 3 million years ago, you're a regressionist disgrace to humanity

proof to me what we were doing 3 million years ago you fucking retard how are you going to do that, ohhh trust soyenceee

 

[Zeekie]

its so fucking funny how you guys think youre intellectually superior in ANY way you talk like we are aliens, get over it, its just food/diet in the end

1. Intellectually superior? Absolutely.
2. Half of what I said isn't meant to be taken seriously lmao, "regressionist disgrace" is just intentionally theatrical talk, in truth I don't care what you eat, but you're still wrong from almost every single angle you can look at it from. From history, anthropology, nutritional science, etc.

 

[Tyler1]

Can you cite any scientific evidence to validate this?

there's really plenty of evidence for it

How did human brains get so big? The answer could be in our gut.

microbiologysociety.org

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/human-brain-evolution

Our brain has also shrunk over the last 10000 years because of AGRICULTURE
Plants = degeneration

Even if we did trade our brains for our guts, how exactly does that remove our millions of years of adaptation for plant consumption? It makes sense that we may allocate more resources to our brain, but that does not explain how that leads to the complete loss of our ability to digest plants?

Because our body has become accustomed to getting energy from other living beings, we evolved like this so our digestive track has changed

"man-made plants" animals are also man-made if we go to that. All plants and animals were selectively bred for our consumption.

1. Plants are good for us for a massive amount of reasons.. they have some vitamins and minerals (YES THEY HAVE LESS THAN MEAT OR ORGAN MEATS MAYBE, but they still have them)

The bioavailability is not particularly high why eat it? and it also has many other things like oxalates

They are high in fiber

Okay.. fiber can help when you cook your food to death

They are packed with antioxidants

Everything good you can get from plants you can also get from animals
Egg white has antioxidants
Cholesterol is an antioxidant

Research consistently correlates vegetable consumption with: better health and reduced all-cause mortality, cancer prevention, lower visceral fat and better gut health.

• PMID: 22797986, PMID: 31892257, PMID: 22583408, also the studies I cited at the beginning and so many more.

Like I said it does more bad things than good things

Conspiracy bullshit with no research to validate it.

Muhh conspiracy bro it’s not conspiracy Aajonus had many PATIENTS it's not some random cult he had a doctorate if that's so important to you and proved, explained most of it you are just ignorant

1. The fact that nutrition is reduced doesn't mean you get no nutrition. If I cook 4 oz of liver, maybe 50% of B12 is reduced, by even that 50% still provides all of my B12 for the day

Depends how you cook the liver but usually more is lost because the liver absorbs heat faster and it destroys it absolutely

50+% lose is a LOT get it in your head imagine you have double the nutrients in your puberty than if you didn't have.
Nutrition is the building block of growth.

1. Plants stunt growth, can you cite any evidence for this?

75% of the calcium in spinach for example, gets bound to oxalates, broccoli has goitrogens which will mess up your thyroid which in turn will stunt your growth.
Leafy greens have the most oxalates so 75% of the calcium in the spinach itself for example gets bound to the oxalates then the excess oxalates that don't bind during consumption of the spinach will then leech into your bones and your serum calcium.

No, I ate potatoes for lunch yesterday, no diarrhea. And that seems to be the experience for everyone else because potatoes are one of the most consumed foods on the planet.

HAHA try a potato raw NOW brah
You didn't vomit because you cooked the toxins out to DEATH
I bet your gut was still slightly heavy or you had slight pain in your stomach like everyone who eats veggies

 

[Zeekie]

proof to me what we were doing 3 million years ago you fucking retard how are you going to do that, ohhh trust soyenceee

Prove*

And yes, we have tangible evidence to know what we were doing 3 million years ago.

 

[PrimalPlasty]

1. Intellectually superior? Absolutely.
2. Half of what I said isn't meant to be taken seriously lmao, "regressionist disgrace" is just intentionally theatrical talk, in truth I don't care what you eat, but you're still wrong from almost every single angle you can look at it from. From history, anthropology, nutritional science, etc.

have a good day anyways just like you cant convince me i wont be able to convince you either, especially if you think that youre better then someone, intellectually, youre not open minded, thats the issue, and i dont think youre happy at all tbh, you just dont seem like it sry man, wish u the best

 

[Epochs]

Indigestable fiber pipe cleaner n shiet

 

[PrimalPlasty]

there's really plenty of evidence for it

How did human brains get so big? The answer could be in our gut.

microbiologysociety.org

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/human-brain-evolution

Our brain has also shrunk over the last 10000 years because of AGRICULTURE
Plants = degeneration

Because our body has become accustomed to getting energy from other living beings, we evolved like this so our digestive track has changed

The bioavailability is not particularly high why eat it? and it also has many other things like oxalates

Okay.. fiber can help when you cook your food to death

Everything good you can get from plants you can also get from animals
Egg white has antioxidants
Cholesterol is an antioxidant

Like I said it does more bad things than good things

Muhh conspiracy bro it’s not conspiracy Aajonus had many PATIENTS it's not some random cult he had a doctorate if that's so important to you and proved, explained most of it you are just ignorant

Depends how you cook the liver but usually more is lost because the liver absorbs heat faster and destroys it absolutely

50+% lose is a LOT get it in your head imagine you have double the nutrients in your puberty than if you didn't have.
Nutrition is the building block of growth.

75% of the calcium in spinach for example, gets bound to oxalates, broccoli has goitrogens which will mess up your thyroid which in turn will stunt your growth.
Leafy greens have the most oxalates so 75% of the calcium in the spinach itself for example gets bound to the oxalates then the excess oxalates that don't bind during consumption of the spinach will then leech into your bones and your serum calcium.

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HAHA try a potato raw NOW brah
You didn't vomit because you cooked the toxins out to DEATH
I bet your gut was still slightly heavy or you had slight pain in your stomach like everyone who eats veggies

the soyience got mogged by aajonece

 

[PrimalPlasty]

Prove*

And yes, we have tangible evidence to know what we were doing 3 million years ago.
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some words on a paper nice, bro, im still asking for actual evidence

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

youre depressed and miserable and cope with stupid stuff like studies, the jig is up

How would you know whether I'm happy or not?
Your life is so miserable that some guy said Eating Some obsecure diet will give you happiness & gave 0 serious evidence but you clinged on to it.
You ignored every single contradiction in his behavior & started hating on people who gave you actual evidence.

You would start to look down on people for being sane, thinking you're superior & blackpilled.
You would start to look down on society & push away outside connection & immerse in your echo chamber.
He's just a cult leader & you shouldn't waste years of your life believing in this cult.

but happiness should just be a normal homeostatic state of humans

except that would literally take all the point out of life & you simply can't feel positive emotion all the time just by ensuring you eat raw meat.
normal state is neutral, not happiness or sadness.

some words on a paper nice, bro, im still asking for actual evidence

retard,
You can't even comprehend what language & imperical evidence is?

Get off this man made computer, staring at man made pixels

its so fucking funny how you guys think youre intellectually superior in ANY way you talk like we are aliens, get over it, its just food/diet in the end

It ain't funny you're raging cuz you too stupid to handle an actual argument

And yes I'm Intellectually superior.
Not just that I'm quiet positive I am superior to in every single domain of human excellence.
Superior one's don't cling on to stupid cults to feel superior

 

[bust]

bruh who cares just eat both why not

 

[Zeekie]

have a good day anyways just like you cant convince me i wont be able to convince you either

Yes, this absolutely true, discussing with people like you is meaningless, you've resigned to utilizing peer-reviewed evidence as a method of validating of truth, so what is there left to do? Insult each other? Claim things without proving anything? At that point the argument is reduced to who can assert their opinion more strongly rather than anything.

especially if you think that youre better then someone, intellectually, youre not open minded, thats the issue, and i dont think youre happy at all tbh, you just dont seem like it sry man, wish u the best

Thinking that I'm intellectually better doesn't mean I'm not open-minded. Someone who relies on science and logic is intellectually superior because they base beliefs on evidence and reason, while conspiracy thinking rejects proof and clings to bias and speculation.

But I'm completely open to being proven wrong given that you can provide a strong enough argument, look at @HighIQ ubermensch he absolutely destroyed me in an argument we had a while ago, and I'll admit it, I was outperformed. It's not that I'm not open-minded, it's you have nothing to validate your dogmatic beliefs. And if you do, then go ahead, prove me wrong.

 

[PrimalPlasty]

How would you know whether I'm happy or not?
Your life is so miserable that some guy said Eating Some obsecure diet will give you happiness & gave 0 serious evidence but you clinged on to it.
You ignored every single contradiction in his behavior & started hating on people who gave you actual evidence.

You would start to look down on people for being sane, thinking you're superior & blackpilled.
You would start to look down on society & push away outside connection & immerse in your echo chamber.
He's just a cult leader & you shouldn't waste years of your life believing in this cult.


except that would literally take all the point out of life & you simply can't feel positive emotion all the time just by ensuring you eat raw meat.
normal state is neutral, not happiness or sadness.


retard,
You can't even comprehend what language & imperical evidence is?

Get off this man made computer, staring at man made pixels



It ain't funny you're raging cuz you too stupid to handle an actual argument

And yes I'm Intellectually superior.
Not just that I'm quiet positive I am superior to in every single domain of human excellence.
Superior one's don't cling on to stupid cults to feel superior

 

[Zeekie]

some words on a paper nice, bro, im still asking for actual evidence

What is "actual evidence" then?

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

bruh who cares just eat both why not

that's exactly what I was advocating for

 

[bust]

that's exactly what I was advocating for

sorry was too much text

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

sorry was too much text

np

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

DEBATE OVER!!

CONCLUSION

Raw carnivore diet is Rawtarded
Eat vegetables along with with meat & cook em for optimal health.

 

[Zeekie]

there's really plenty of evidence for it

How did human brains get so big? The answer could be in our gut.

microbiologysociety.org

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/human-brain-evolution

Two things...

1. One of that is a journalism article on a paper, the other is the paper mentioned in the journalism article, that's basically the same thing repeated twice.
2. Can you elaborate on how does this validate the claim that we lost the ability to digest plants? Specially considering that plants and fiber have been shown to improve gut microbiome and digestion? Read the paper from head to toe, I do not see how does this validate your point.

As a matter of fact, does this directly contradict the notion of a diet mostly based on animal products? How are you going to get enough glucose to fuel your brain? Gluconeogenesis from fat or proteins is brutally inferior to just getting fructose or starches.

Our brain has also shrunk over the last 10000 years because of AGRICULTURE
Plants = degeneration

Can you provide any source on this?

Because our body has become accustomed to getting energy from other living beings, we evolved like this so our digestive track has changed

Plants are living beings.

The bioavailability is not particularly high why eat it? and it also has many other things like oxalates

Because of the health benefits I will not bother explaining again, also because, even if these foods do have oxalates cooking removes the majority of them and nutrition is still retained, contributing to your RDAs. Here's an example of the nutrition provided (and absorbed on average) for spinach:

Can you provide any evidence to deny any of this?

Okay.. fiber can help when you cook your food to death

Also if you don't.

Everything good you can get from plants you can also get from animals
Egg white has antioxidants
Cholesterol is an antioxidant

No, animal foods do have antioxidants and can provide vitamins that function as antioxidants, but so do plants, except plant antioxidant are more closely associated with better health outcomes, but that's the thing. YOU CAN JUST GET BOTH AND GET EVEN MORE BENEFITS.

Muhh conspiracy bro it’s not conspiracy Aajonus had many PATIENTS it's not some random cult he had a doctorate if that's so important to you and proved, explained most of it you are just ignorant

Aajonus had a PhD... he created himself "The CIA launched an investigation onto itself and found nothing" ahh

Depends how you cook the liver but usually more is lost because the liver absorbs heat faster and it destroys it absolutely

50+% lose is a LOT get it in your head imagine you have double the nutrients in your puberty than if you didn't have.
Nutrition is the building block of growth.

Nutrition is very important, but your body can only utilize so many nutrients per day until it starts to either excrete them through your urine or store them in your fat tissue. But again, a 50% loss is meaningless because if you eat multiple meals with a variety of foods, partial losses still add up to sufficient intake.

75% of the calcium in spinach for example, gets bound to oxalates, broccoli has goitrogens which will mess up your thyroid which in turn will stunt your growth.
Leafy greens have the most oxalates so 75% of the calcium in the spinach itself for example gets bound to the oxalates then the excess oxalates that don't bind during consumption of the spinach will then leech into your bones and your serum calcium.

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That's true, 76% of the calcium in spinach is not properly digested (unless consumed with milk or dairy products which increases the absorption, as suggested by the paper you're citing if you read it further). But again, you're still getting that 25% of calcium (or more if you include dairy with the spinach).

A few points:

• "Then the excess oxalates that don't bind during consumption of the spinach will then leech into your bones and your serum calcium." - A small percentage of dietary oxalate can be absorbed into the bloodstream but the body is highly efficient at filtering and excreting this absorbed oxalate through the kidneys in urine. Also they do not "leech" into your bones, provide any evidence to validate this please.
• The goitrogens in broccoli and theoretically affect your thyroid yes... but in order for that to happen research estimates you need to get about 3 lbs of broccoli for multiple days to get any negative effects on your thyroid. The dose makes the poison, nobody is fucking eating 3 lbs of RAW broccoli multiple days in a row, that's like saying water is bad because if you drink 40 liters of it your kidneys will fail, boiled broccoli has 1/30th of the theoretically harmful dose of goitrogens. Goitrogens are also water-soluble, so they're removed from your body through urine, so they do not accumulate in your system to even if you eat cooked broccoli for decades, you won't get goiter.

HAHA try a potato raw NOW brah
You didn't vomit because you cooked the toxins out to DEATH
I bet your gut was still slightly heavy or you had slight pain in your stomach like everyone who eats veggies

Yes, this is why we don't eat vegetable raw, but cook them. Nobody is saying go take a bit of a raw potato or munch on some raw lentils, the same way nobody is saying go eat raw beef.

Also no, I digest potatoes quite fine...?

 

[FlotPSL]

Also no, I digest potatoes quite fine...?

Oh my atheism i didnt expect the debate to go this far
Eating potatoes rn also

 

[slaters]

I don’t eat ts cus it doesn’t taste good with no macros

 

[Tyler1]

Two things...

1. One of that is a journalism article on a paper, the other is the paper mentioned in the journalism article, that's basically the same thing repeated twice.
2. Can you elaborate on how does this validate the claim that we lost the ability to digest plants? Specially considering that plants and fiber have been shown to improve gut microbiome and digestion? Read the paper from head to toe, I do not see how does this validate your point.

As a matter of fact, does this directly contradict the notion of a diet mostly based on animal products? How are you going to get enough glucose to fuel your brain? Gluconeogenesis from fat or proteins is brutally inferior to just getting fructose or starches.
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Can you provide any source on this?


Plants are living beings.


Because of the health benefits I will not bother explaining again, also because, even if these foods do have oxalates cooking removes the majority of them and nutrition is still retained, contributing to your RDAs. Here's an example of the nutrition provided (and absorbed on average) for spinach:
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Can you provide any evidence to deny any of this?


Also if you don't.


No, animal foods do have antioxidants and can provide vitamins that function as antioxidants, but so do plants, except plant antioxidant are more closely associated with better health outcomes, but that's the thing. YOU CAN JUST GET BOTH AND GET EVEN MORE BENEFITS.


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Aajonus had a PhD... he created himself "The CIA launched an investigation onto itself and found nothing" ahh
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Nutrition is very important, but your body can only utilize so many nutrients per day until it starts to either excrete them through your urine or store them in your fat tissue. But again, a 50% loss is meaningless because if you eat multiple meals with a variety of foods, partial losses still add up to sufficient intake.


That's true, 76% of the calcium in spinach is not properly digested (unless consumed with milk or dairy products which increases the absorption, as suggested by the paper you're citing if you read it further). But again, you're still getting that 25% of calcium (or more if you include dairy with the spinach).
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A few points:

• "Then the excess oxalates that don't bind during consumption of the spinach will then leech into your bones and your serum calcium." - A small percentage of dietary oxalate can be absorbed into the bloodstream but the body is highly efficient at filtering and excreting this absorbed oxalate through the kidneys in urine. Also they do not "leech" into your bones, provide any evidence to validate this please.
• The goitrogens in broccoli and theoretically affect your thyroid yes... but in order for that to happen research estimates you need to get about 3 lbs of broccoli for multiple days to get any negative effects on your thyroid. The dose makes the poison, nobody is fucking eating 3 lbs of RAW broccoli multiple days in a row, that's like saying water is bad because if you drink 40 liters of it your kidneys will fail, boiled broccoli has 1/30th of the theoretically harmful dose of goitrogens. Goitrogens are also water-soluble, so they're removed from your body through urine, so they do not accumulate in your system to even if you eat cooked broccoli for decades, you won't get goiter.

Yes, this is why we don't eat vegetable raw, but cook them. Nobody is saying go take a bit of a raw potato or munch on some raw lentils, the same way nobody is saying go eat raw beef.

Also no, I digest potatoes quite fine...?

I will not answer to this.

If you only want evidence from me then I want to get evidence for every claim you make don't you realize how annoying it is to look everything up for one small thing every single time?

Our brains have shrunk the last 10000 years clearly because of the diet it's not a secret look it up

We have exchanged our intestines for a bigger brain look it up you can do the research yourself and I never said we can’t digest plants

There are so many things open we will never get any further. too many topics.

 

[Zeekie]

Oh my atheism i didnt expect the debate to go this far
Eating potatoes rn also

BUT POTATOES ARE VEGETABLES WHAT DO YOU MEAN, AFTER ALL THIS TALK AND YOU'RE EATING A VEGETABLE???

 

[Zeekie]

I will not answer to this.

If you only want evidence from me then I want to get evidence for every claim you make don't you realize how annoying it is to look everything up for one small thing every single time?

Fine, what claims are you interested in?

Our brains have shrunk the last 10000 years clearly because of the diet it's not a secret look it up

This all stems from a single thesis article published a while ago, this article is not direct evidence, it's a hypothesis and coming works actually contradict this notion, it is not accurate to say that our brains have shrunk since that's still a disputed matter. For example, this recently published article offers a counter hypothesis for the subject matter:

We have exchanged our intestines for a bigger brain look it up you can do the research yourself

Oh yes, perdon me, this believed to be true. But even then, how does this explain the fact that we can't digest plants?

I never said we can’t digest plants

Oh great, you actually have a brain, the leading statement behind most of this thread and previous ones was that we get "zero nutrition from plants" and that "we can't digest them". But fine, since you're not of that belief let's rebrand it to, why do vegetables cause issues to human digestion given that they're eaten in realistic quantities and that they're prepared appropriately (e.g. boiling, soaking, sautéing in fats)?

 

[FlotPSL]

BUT POTATOES ARE VEGETABLES WHAT DO YOU MEAN, AFTER ALL THIS TALK AND YOU'RE EATING A VEGETABLE???

Yeah and?

 

[FlotPSL]

@Zeekie
What do u think our skulls changed tho?

 

[Zeekie]

Yeah and?

diabolical ngl

 

[FlotPSL]

diabolical ngl

I was eating grain sludge the whole time u guys were arguing

 

[Zeekie]

@Zeekie
What do u think our skulls changed tho?
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Yes, more than likely, our diet slowly became less nutritious than they were before, current generations have lower testosterone levels than we did before and that our ancestors probably did at some point.