Debunking the entire concept of death! Yes, DEATH debunked with FACTS and LOGIC

[Deleted member 137296]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

 

[JasGews69x]

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

The same place before you were born nothingness

 

[Deleted member 137296]

The same place before you were born nothingness

youre embarrassing yourself.

ill simplify it. If nothing can't turn into something, and something can't turn into nothing. What happens when you (something) dies. hint: the answer isn't nothing

 

[Ogionth]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

Not a materialistic atheistic but your argument is very flawed.

"Something cannot turn into nothing" is not true.

The necessary existence by logic is the only existence that cannot cease to exist and although it is something, but this Universe is full of 'somethings' that are not necessary by their nature and must be able to cease existing by the will of the necessary existence because if not, then it creates a logical impossibility, because if the will of the necessary existence is limited by this, then, it is not necessary and that is impossible.

 

[JasGews69x]

ill simplify it. If nothing can't turn into something, and something can't into nothing. What happens when you (something) dies

nothing, the brain shuts down and consciousness fades

 

[FastBananaCEO]

avi checks out

Spoiler

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[Latinolooksmaxxer]

you cant prove something solely by deducting from axioms as they will either not mean anything or result in contradictions when applied to phenomena since axioms by definition arent derived from causality unlike phenomena

 

[lemonnz]

The same place before you were born nothingness

 

[nuisance]

The same place before you were born nothingness

how did we come out of nothingness

if i came from nothingness and came out of nothingness cant i come out of nothingness again after re-entering it

 

[JasGews69x]

how did we come out of nothingness

if i came from nothingness and came out of nothingness cant i come out of nothingness again after rentering it

Accident

 

[Klasik616]

Metaphysics doesn't prove anything

 

[Never Get Up]

Consciousness is the only reality.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

then it creates a logical impossibility

The logical impossibility is the presumption that 'nothing' exists as a tangible concept in the first place

 

[Deleted member 130748]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

 

[aspiringexcel]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

I wish this is true. Fuck this cucked universe if we just dissapear. No matter how dubhuman i am i love living

 

[Deleted member 137296]

how did we come out of nothingness

if i came from nothingness and came out of nothingness cant i come out of nothingness again after re-entering it

The answer to your question is that you didn't come out of nothingness because there's no such thing as nothingness.

You are something, were always something and will always be something.

 

[Ogionth]

The logical impossibility is the presumption that 'nothing' exists as a tangible concept in the first place

"Nothing" as a tangible concept isn't what 'Something turn into nothing' means, something turning into nothing means and is, existence turning into non existence, NOT "all existences turning into non existence" . Ofcourse, the latter is a logical impossibility as there must be the necessary existence.

 

[nuisance]

The answer to your question is that you didn't come out of nothingness because there's no such thing as nothingness.

You are something, were always something and will always be something.

cope

we dont know anything

 

[Deleted member 137296]

something turning into nothing means and is, existence turning into non existence

what is non existence if not nothing?

check and mate

 

[Ogionth]

what is non existence if not nothing?

"Nothing" as a tangible concept means the non existence of all existences whereas 'Something turning into nothing' means it could either be the turning of an existence to non-existence (which is logically possible for contingent beings) OR the turning of all existences (something) into non existence (which is logically not possible because the necessary existence cannot turn into non-existence).

So, the line "Smth turning into nothing" is possible when it means the turning of a contingent being to non-existence by the will of the necessary being.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

"Nothing" as a tangible concept means the non existence of all existences whereas 'Something turning into nothing' means it could either be the turning of an existence to non-existence (which is logically possible for contingent beings) OR the turning of all existences (something) into non existence (which is logically not possible because the necessary existence cannot turn into non-existence).

So, the line "Smth turning into nothing" is possible when it means the turning of a contingent being to non-existence by the will of the necessary being.

again.

What is non existence if not nothing? clue:

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

 

[Ogionth]

again.

What is non existence if not nothing? clue:

Maybe, you should consider reading what I said, again, instead of repeating your question because it is you, who has failed to comprehend it and not that I have failed to answer it.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

"Nothing" as a tangible concept means the non existence of all existences

refer to axiom a. nothing refers to the absence of something

means it could either be the turning of an existence to non-existence (which is logically possible for contingent beings)

its not logically possible tho. in the instance of something (an existence) turning into non existence (nothing) implies that nothing (non existence) could exist WITHIN something (all existences). when nothing exists within something, it is in fact ... something.

 

[jacobhocevar]

refer to axiom a. nothing refers to the absence of something

its not logically possible tho. in the instance of something (an existence) turning into non existence (nothing) implies that nothing (non existence) could exist WITHIN something (all existences). when nothing exists within something, it is in fact ... something.

think of it this way, if you delete all the data on a computer that isn’t connected to the cloud, there is still all the parts left behind. but if you connected it to the cloud the data would still exist just not on your computer but in the cloud. In death your soul and consciousness wouldn’t be in your body or deleted. But for religious people it goes to their place for after life heaven, etc. Your conscience isn’t erased just transferred.

 

[cpedy]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

ngl psychedelics make me believe there is more

 

[Deleted member 137296]

In death your soul and consciousness wouldn’t be in your body or deleted. But for religious people it goes to their place for after life heaven, etc. Your conscience isn’t erased just transferred.

so when the consciousness/data has been transferred to heaven/cloud, what happens to the body/computer.

what i'm trying to prove in op is that transferring process of consciousness has already happened, is happening right now and will happen in the future all concurrently at the same time

 

[jacobhocevar]

so when the consciousness/data has been transferred to heaven/cloud, what happens to the body/computer.

what i'm trying to prove in op is that transferring process of consciousness has already happened, is happening right now and will happen in the future all concurrently at the same time

the body/computer stays here on earth and our consciousness can no longer access it

 

[Deleted member 137296]

the body/computer stays here on earth and our consciousness can no longer access it

but if youre experiencing the transferring of consciousness in (birth) and out (death) of your body at the same time. in a sense its all happening now, and your body/computer just experiences the data in a linear fashion (time) then there's quite literally no such thing as death/nothing, you have always been you.

 

[jacobhocevar]

No you stop experiencing the transfer when you are born, you are born with consciousness and expand upon it as you grow and stop developing when you die. You need some type of data to use a computer (body) to download new info

 

[Deleted member 137296]

No you stop experiencing the transfer when you are born, you are born with consciousness and expand upon it as you grow and stop developing when you die. You need some type of data to use a computer (body) to download new info

right

birth = consciousness enters vessel
death = consciousness leaves vessel

and this transferring process can't happen at the same time because ... (that's not how this vessel/body/computer experiences the process) ? with that logic anything we don't experience isn't true/impossible ie the color green doesn't exist if you're color blind nor does a tree make a sound in the forest if there's no one there to hear it

if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs at the same time, then I'm right. There can be no such thing as death
if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs linearly (as how you describe it) then there is such a thing as death

 

[Ogionth]

refer to axiom a. nothing refers to the absence of something

its not logically possible tho. in the instance of something (an existence) turning into non existence (nothing) implies that nothing (non existence) could exist WITHIN something (all existences). when nothing exists within something, it is in fact ... something.

I don't think you understand what I said. It does NOT imply "nothing" or non-existence as an existence

 

[jacobhocevar]

right

birth = consciousness enters vessel
death = consciousness leaves vessel

and this transferring process can't happen at the same time because ... (that's not how this vessel/body/computer experiences the process) ? with that logic anything we don't experience isn't true/impossible ie the color green doesn't exist if you're color blind nor does a tree make a sound in the forest if there's no one there to hear it

if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs at the same time, then I'm right. There can be no such thing as death
if the transferring process (birth/death) occurs linearly (as how you describe it) then there is such a thing as death

other things that you don’t see exist because there are other computers (people) going to new websites (places) you never visited and downloading new games (experiences) that you’ve never played. Other things exist in the world because other people created them and allowed them to happen

 

[Deleted member 137296]

jfl @ this forums sentience

 

[Deleted member 137296]

bump

hands down the best thread that has ever been made on this forum

 

[Deleted member 101934]

Not a materialistic atheistic but your argument is very flawed.

"Something cannot turn into nothing" is not true.

Something cannot become nothing because the process of becoming something (or nothing in your case) requires a change/state and nothingness doesnt possess neither of those

 

[ThugggButt]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

Life is a dream and none of it is real. Live in the moment because there is beauty in the temporary
Whatever happens after death if there is a god I'm sure they wouldn't care if I worshipped them

If I'm born again, I hope I'm in an entirely different universe without the blackpill
I wish we could see people's energies and souls (if they truly exist) than their physical forms

 

[Ogionth]

Something cannot become nothing because the process of becoming something (or nothing in your case) requires a change/state and nothingness doesnt possess neither of those

Nothingness isn’t a state with properties, it’s the absence of being. So when something ceases to exist (a contingent being becomes nothing), it's not that "nothing" changed, it’s that the being changed or ended.

The only "something" that cannot turn into nothing is the necessary being, anything else can turn into nothing.

 

[Deleted member 101934]

Nothingness isn’t a state with properties

thats why your statement "becoming/turning into nothing" holds no logic or value

"becoming" something includes 2 states (after and before), by your logic there is not after

when something ceases to exist (a contingent being becomes nothing), it's not that "nothing" changed, it’s that the being changed or ended.

The only "something" that cannot turn into nothing is the necessary being, anything else can turn into nothing.

ceasing to exist ≠ becoming "nothing"

you / anything else dont become nothing, you simply stop, this has been discussed ages ago "nothing" isnt a thing

"for it to be nothing it must be something in the first place", nothing cannot become something and something cannot become nothing (like OP said)

 

[Ogionth]

thats why your statement "becoming/turning into nothing" holds no logic or value

"becoming" something includes 2 states (after and before), by your logic there is not after

By that, I specifically meant ceasing to exist since OP used it in that context, my comment was basically correcting him that "cannot turn into nothing" isn't something that exists and is an illogical statement which is exactly what you are saying and that's what I said but in his words.

ceasing to exist ≠ becoming "nothing"

you / anything else dont become nothing, you simply stop, this has been discussed ages ago "nothing" isnt a thing

"this has been discussed ages ago" well OP was talking about it in a way that talked about "nothing" being a state or form that's why I talked about it,

Or are you retarded enough to not look at why I even used the words before you start barking?

"for it to be nothing it must be something in the first place", nothing cannot become something and something cannot become nothing (like OP said)

Define *becoming nothing*.

 

[Enytraina]

tldr: you were never born and you will never die

Axiom A: Nothing (the absence of something) CANNOT turn into something. Because then it would be something, and not nothing.
Axiom B: Something CANNOT turn into nothing. If something could turn into nothing then eventually all of something would be nothing. However little inky, refer to axiom A, Nothing CANNOT turn into something and the fact there is something (You) means something has not turned into nothing yet . Therefore, something must always be ... (yes you guessed it) something.

You are something, so riddle me this materialist atheist; What happens after you die?

I can't believe a real nigga made this thread

 

[Deleted member 101934]

By that, I specifically meant ceasing to exist since OP used it in that context.

"this has been discussed ages ago" well OP was talking about it in a way that talked about "nothing" being a state or form that's why I talked about it,

Or are you retarded enough to not look at why I even used the words before you start barking?

Define *becoming nothing*.

meaning we agree ? what your point

im not gonna bother holding a convo if you are gonna attack me for no reason telling me im barking while im genuinely just holding a conversation

 

[Ogionth]

meaning we agree ? what your point

YES. [ i said what exactly you replied to me but in his words. ]

because "becoming nothing" isn't a thing, there is only *absence of existence* that we define as nothingness.

My original statement was in agreement with what you said but you misinterpreted me and replied to me in a way implying that I was incorrect which kinda made me mad and thus made me insult you, but I apologize for it.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

I specifically meant ceasing to exist

So when something ceases to exist (a contingent being becomes nothing), it's not that "nothing" changed, it’s that the being changed or ended

absence of existence

there's no such thing as an absence of existence, ceasing to exist, a being changing/ending or even death for that matter. which is what im trying to show you using the op analogy, no shit there's no such thing as 'nothingness' (im distilling my 300iq abstract meta comprehension of reality to a metaphor digestible for the masses (you))

 

[Deleted member 137296]

I can't believe a real nigga made this thread

the logic is irrefutable tbh ngl

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Whatever happens after death if there is a god I'm sure they wouldn't care if I worshipped them

personally i dont consider consciousness (you) and 'god' separate entities. caring about whether you worship yourself (god) or not is the biggest irony in existence lol

I wish we could see people's energies and souls (if they truly exist) than their physical forms

both exist and will eventually be perceivable by everyone via cool advanced tech

 

[Ogionth]

there's no such thing as an absence of existence, ceasing to exist, a being changing/ending or even death for that matter. which is what im trying to show you using the op analogy, no shit there's no such thing as 'nothingness' (im distilling my 300iq abstract meta comprehension of reality to a metaphor digestible for the masses (you))

im not gonna bother replying to you becz clearly you're mentally retarded as we can see here

"personally i dont consider consciousness (you) and 'god' separate entities. caring about whether you worship yourself (god) or not is the biggest irony in existence lol"


Your opinions don't matter because you're subhuman who thinks his IQ is 300.

Kill yourself retard, no one even talked to you, who asked you to come into the convo between me and him, faggot.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

im not gonna bother replying to you becz clearly you're mentally retarded as we can see here

"personally i dont consider consciousness (you) and 'god' separate entities. caring about whether you worship yourself (god) or not is the biggest irony in existence lol"


Your opinions don't matter because you're subhuman who thinks his IQ is 300.

Kill yourself retard, no one even talked to you, who asked you to come into the convo between me and him, faggot.

nah my axioms are meta af, youre just too low iq to comprehend them

ez win for me

 

[Ogionth]

nah my axioms are meta af, youre just too low iq to comprehend them

ez win for me

yes indeed someone that doesn't know the basic definition of God, will teach me axioms now.

indeed

holy fuck

 

[Deleted member 137296]

yes indeed someone that doesn't know the basic definition of God, will teach me axioms now.

indeed

holy fuck

>thinks god is comprehensible
>thinks there's a basic definition for god

ngl i iq mog you hard

 

[Ogionth]

>thinks god is comprehensible
>thinks there's a basic definition for god

ngl i iq mog you hard

> Thinks God is incomprehensible
> Uses the term God as an interchangeable term for Conciousness


do you even read what you're typing, you absolute retard.

you're the typical definition of a pseduo intellectual faggot