Deca and Test

[n6j]

Opinions on deca and test cycle

Dropped all the other shit in my stack now i’m running
600 test
300 Deca
20 weeks

 

[ltnsyn]

weren’t u running tren without any knowledge abt it

 

[SlayerJonas]

Running deca and test together is retarded. Your hair follicles either get raped by the DHT from test if not deploying a 5ARi, or by the nandrolone if you use a 5ARi.

If you decide to run deca-only you should substitute E2 in any form, if you don't want to do all that simply run test with a 5ARi.

 

[n6j]

weren’t u running tren without any knowledge abt it

yes lol had to stop for health reasons

 

[n6j]

Running deca and test together is retarded. Your hair follicles either get raped by the DHT from test if not deploying a 5ARi, or by the nandrolone if you use a 5ARi.

If you decide to run deca-only you should substitute E2 in any form, if you don't want to do all that simply run test with a 5ARi.

would deca + test + finasteride be okay or
Do u say the 5ARI fucks with you if ur taking deca alongside ?

 

[Copercel]

Opinions on deca and test cycle

Dropped all the other shit in my stack now i’m running
600 test
300 Deca
20 weeks

you dont need deca.

do HGH and test.

 

[n6j]

you dont need deca.

do HGH and test.

cant hgh make u more prone to diabetes

 

[Copercel]

cant hgh make u more prone to diabetes

no if you do it with less than 15IU. its very rare.

 

[n6j]

no if you do it with less than 15IU. its very rare.

i was running 8ish daily but it was expensive so i stopped

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

you dont need deca.

do HGH and test.

Deca better. Test is poison

 

[Copercel]

Deca better. Test is poison

Why?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Why?

Test is much more likely to cause hairloss.

Idk if deca is actually as amazing as my proclaimations indicate.
But test causing hairloss is enough for me to never touch it again once I recieve my nanny

 

[Copercel]

Test is much more likely to cause hairloss.

Idk if deca is actually as amazing as my proclaimations indicate.
But test causing hairloss is enough for me to never touch it again once I recieve my nanny

That’s exactly why you have 5ARi and RU.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Why?

We differ a lot in our opinions on PED's tbh

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

That’s exactly why you have 5ARi and RU.

Yes, but what if

 

[Copercel]

We differ a lot in our opinions on PED's tbh

Indeed. But we learn from each other tbh.

 

[Copercel]

Yes, but what if

What if?

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

What if?

I like being completely overkill on hair safety.

Will be using

Nandrolone
E2
Hmg
Abiraterone (to kill off any remaining endogenous testosterone and dht + glucocorticoids)
Ru58841

 

[Copercel]

I like being completely overkill on hair safety.

Will be using

Nandrolone
E2
Hmg
Abiraterone (to kill off any remaining endogenous testosterone and dht + glucocorticoids)
Ru58841

Nigg

Why would you wanna kill test? You know that test itself don’t cause hair loss right? It’s DHT, just use an 5ARi, and you’re fine.

Bro is gonna inject RU soon.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Nigg

Why would you wanna kill test? You know that test itself don’t cause hair loss right? It’s DHT, just use an 5ARi, and you’re fine.

Test does still cause moderate androgenic signalling at the receptor.
Its playing with fire my bro. This is why i say; test is poison.

Nandrolone is the great successor to testosterone and soon nandrolone replacement therapy will be the gold stanards for all men. Hypogonadal or not

Don't fear the future

 

[Copercel]

Test does still cause moderate androgenic signalling at the receptor.
Its playing with fire my bro. This is why i say; test is poison.

Nandrolone is the great successor to testosterone and soon nandrolone replacement therapy will be the gold stanards for all men. Hypogonadal or not

Don't fear the future

Test has no negative effect on your hair follicles. No study suggest that.

Infact test increases while on a 5ARi so if test had a negative impact on your hair, you would still keep recessing while on a 5ARi.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Test has no negative effect on your hair follicles. No study suggest that.

Infact test increases while on a 5ARi so if test had a negative impact on your hair, you would still keep recessing while on a 5ARi.

Testosterone on its own definitely has a negative impact on hair. What makes it relatively hairsafe is that dht is such a subhuman molecule that its what accounts for 90% of the androgenic signalling for hairloss we see.
Test is hairsafe enough for 25% increase in testosterone to not cause any reasonable increase androgenicity.

But as Im saying. Every androgen does affect the hair follicle. Every single one. Even the ones made not to affect the hair follicle. Some people even keep shedding on high dose dut just because they are THAT sensitive to androgenic signalling at the hair follicle that even testosterone is enough to make them bald.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Test has no negative effect on your hair follicles. No study suggest that.

Infact test increases while on a 5ARi so if test had a negative impact on your hair, you would still keep recessing while on a 5ARi.

Testosterone on its own definitely has a negative impact on hair. What makes it relatively hairsafe is that dht is such a subhuman molecule that its what accounts for 90% of the androgenic signalling for hairloss we see.
Test is hairsafe enough for 25% increase in testosterone to not cause any reasonable increase androgenicity.

But as Im saying. Every androgen does affect the hair follicle. Every single one. Even the ones made not to affect the hair follicle. Some people even keep shedding on high dose dut just because they are THAT sensitive to androgenic signalling at the hair follicle that even testosterone is enough to make them bald.

So in short, test + dut is hairsafe 95% of the time.

But for those extra 5% you go with nandrolone and RU

 

[Copercel]

So in short, test + dut is hairsafe 95% of the time.

But for those extra 5% you go with nandrolone and RU

why not just use test, RU and dut then?

Show me one evidence that test cause hair loss.

This Reddit post explain a lot how test doesn’t cause hair loss:

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

why not just use test, RU and dut then?

Show me one evidence that test cause hair loss.

This Reddit post explain a lot how test doesn’t cause hair loss:

Sex hormones and antiandrogens influence in vitro growth of dermal papilla cells and outer root sheath keratinocytes of human hair follicles - PubMed

Anagen hair bulb papillae, interfollicular dermal fibroblasts, and interfollicular keratinocytes isolated from fronto-parietal scalp biopsies as well as outer root sheath keratinocytes from plucked anagen hairs were separately grown in subculture for 14 d. The effect of different concentrations...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (345 nM) significantly reduced proliferation of papilla cells compared with dermal fibroblasts (p < 0.01) and outer root sheath keratinocytes compared with interfollicular keratinocytes"

The redditor is going off baseline human physiology.
Yes a physiological dose of testosterone has minimal to no measurable effect on hairloss.

But im talking about supraphysiological doses, where high enough amount of any androgen will result in hairloss for those prone to it.

But yes. 5ari is enough and testosterone alone in a physiological concentration will very rarely be enough to induce hairloss