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Alright so this guide is a week late for those who know, got busy with NYFW shit and wanted to make this as high iq as possible for y'all.
Credits: massive thx to pneumo whose guide I referred to heavily while doing my own DIY lemon bottle fat dissolving. he trailblazed the way.
let's dive in
But why lemon bottle? Isn't that cope?
No, it does work and this guide will settle that debate while giving you the means to max out your results.
I'm not shitting on aqualyx or other deoxycholic acid dissolvers, they also work. I just wasn't willing to descend myself into a chipmunk for 2 months.
Lemon bottle does work differently than other dissolvers though, as can be seen in this video:
lemon bottle vs other fat dissolvers
So as we can see LB actually dissolves fat faster than Deoxycholic Acid when directly applied to it on the meat subject. This actually shouldn’t be surprising because DA is only found in the liver and is only optimized to break down fat there. Obvious problem is: our bodies are living systems, not dead pieces of sliced muscle and fat. So then the real bottleneck for LB to work is not in the initial dissolving phase, but in being administered under the right conditions for fatty acid oxidation combined with a lymphatic system working in overdrive. More on that later.
Who this will not work for: ppl over 15% bf, ppl who don't have decent enough cheekbones to begin with, ppl who can't follow the simple instructions in this guide. All that should be obvious but gotta put out the disclaimer anyway.
People who will see more noticeable results from just one or two sessions like I did will probably also have very good zygo development, especially laterally projected zygos. You'll know if you have those because your cheekbones are the widest part of your face and you may even be able to see them from the back like me:
brief facial anatomy
avoid these nerves. no you don't know exactly where they are before trying an injection, but if it hurts way more than it should when you start to inject the product, that means you've likely hit one. not the end of the world. just take it out and retry a new injection point.
the red outline does cover the possible nerves but it's not exactly the right borders for injections, we'll get to that in a second. however you absolutely should never go any higher than top red border as you want to maintain your upper face fat pads.
Takeaways: Don't hit nerves. To maintain youthfulness and to prevent your face from aging poorly, you want to dissolve fat ONLY IN the lower part of the face.
my setup
my face before
First day I ran through a bit of submental, moreso just trying to get comfortable/practice my injection technique. Still wanted to save the vast majority for the cheeks. Later that night, I did 2ml in each cheek. I do find it's difficult at this level of leanness to have enough valid injection points/surface area to actually absorb a whole lot more of the liquid than like 2 mL per cheek. however I was being more conservative at this point. I plotted out the areas using black eyeliner making boxes. kinda messy, recommend getting a white pencil instead.
my closeup nervous and shaky first couple injections
I could feel it kinda expanding in there and they say to massage after so I did that, chugged like 3 liters of water, and fasted for the rest of the night.
Woke up next day and already felt like I noticed difference. Virtually no soreness either so I decided to do another session. I’m impressed but I also had a feeling I could max out these results when combining it with fasting and hella water. again more on that later.
So I did another ~2.4mL in each cheek, more injection points and over larger area and that was definitely a lot.
2 of my slightly better injections the next day
Yes i'm aware my skin is flaky red and irritated in those--I kept fucking up the white dot points and had to keep rubbing my face with alcohol wipes.
I looked like a chipmunk that night ngl. But when I woke up swelling was like 80% gone, it was still tender though and running through like 4.4 mL per cheek on consecutive days is a lot to absorb and process. Once again, I did lymphatic drainage massages, fasted, and drank hella water.
I would say non-negotiables to max out results would be: fast for at least 6 hrs before and after, drinking at least 4 liters of water and maintaining electrolyte balance, staying in caloric deficit, cardio at least 10k steps per day for next several days after, and lymphatic massage and drainage 3 times a day for the next several days as the product and dissolved fats clear out of your system.
Neither the manufacturers/sellers or clinics who do fat dissolvers are gonna tell you all this because they only want to give you the minimum results to keep you coming back for more. Just the "oh I think I see a small difference probably need to buy more sessions though".
Returning to the optimal borders for this, I draw them here:
Keep in mind it'll be slightly different for each person but we want to be as precise as possible here. Basically you're just following the natural cheekbone contour while avoiding the jaw and mouth muscles.
I recommend taking a ruler and drawing it on yourself starting at top line along bottom of earlobe straight across until reaching outer part of the eye, then to middle of filtrum level. Horizontal width starting from beardline/jaw muscle to end at edge of mouth muscles/smile lines.
Remember, you can't botch yourself by going too low because you just end up taking out submental fat. You can botch yourself by going too high though.
The Metabolics Lesson:
Lemon Bottle works differently than other fat dissolvers in that in directly and very quickly starts breaking down the fat, so that isn't the bottleneck. The bottleneck is your overall metabolic and lympathic systems' abilities to then get rid of the fat, because we are trying to bypass the normal way the body loses fat.
What made me realize this fully was I had some interesting side effects the next day (aside from just injection point soreness). Nothing concerning, actually good signs that it was working through the system. Basically my shits were greasy/oily and yellowish which I could only assume is the dissolved fat needing to be taken out at a supraphysiological rate. But there’s certainly a max load of LB you can handle because your lymph nodes and liver have to process everything that’s been dissolved, so that’s the real bottleneck.
Think of it this way: when your body burns fat the normal way, your metabolic and lymphatic systems are balanced. In fat catabolism, you will only lose as much fat from around all the different places in your body as your lymph nodes can shuttle down and send to your liver to process out.
Meanwhile, when we do fat dissolving injections in a localized area, we’re attempting to break down way more fat in one specific place than the body would ever do and then shove it right up to the front of the line in the catabolic process.
So basically in order to max out your results with Lemon bottle, you should be in a caloric deficit, fasted, in a state of ketosis, drinking a fuckton of water, still moving around, and doing lymphatic drainage.
My Final Results:
I took this video one week later for comparison.
The results are definitely noticeable as you can tell easily when looking at this side by side of before/after videos
Dramatic? No, and I wasn't expecting or even wanting a dramatic difference. But noticeable, 100%.
I probably will be doing more sessions, maybe even attacking my bulbous ahh nose like Pneumo did but that looks like it hurts bad.
The end, thx for reading, this took a long ass time to work on and should finally be the solution to any lemon bottle questions or debates.
Mods and/or ppl I've talked to about this: @Orka @aids @Chad @TechnoBoss @mohi_100
Credits: massive thx to pneumo whose guide I referred to heavily while doing my own DIY lemon bottle fat dissolving. he trailblazed the way.
let's dive in
But why lemon bottle? Isn't that cope?
No, it does work and this guide will settle that debate while giving you the means to max out your results.
I'm not shitting on aqualyx or other deoxycholic acid dissolvers, they also work. I just wasn't willing to descend myself into a chipmunk for 2 months.
Lemon bottle does work differently than other dissolvers though, as can be seen in this video:
lemon bottle vs other fat dissolvers
So as we can see LB actually dissolves fat faster than Deoxycholic Acid when directly applied to it on the meat subject. This actually shouldn’t be surprising because DA is only found in the liver and is only optimized to break down fat there. Obvious problem is: our bodies are living systems, not dead pieces of sliced muscle and fat. So then the real bottleneck for LB to work is not in the initial dissolving phase, but in being administered under the right conditions for fatty acid oxidation combined with a lymphatic system working in overdrive. More on that later.
Who this will not work for: ppl over 15% bf, ppl who don't have decent enough cheekbones to begin with, ppl who can't follow the simple instructions in this guide. All that should be obvious but gotta put out the disclaimer anyway.
People who will see more noticeable results from just one or two sessions like I did will probably also have very good zygo development, especially laterally projected zygos. You'll know if you have those because your cheekbones are the widest part of your face and you may even be able to see them from the back like me:
brief facial anatomy
avoid these nerves. no you don't know exactly where they are before trying an injection, but if it hurts way more than it should when you start to inject the product, that means you've likely hit one. not the end of the world. just take it out and retry a new injection point.
the red outline does cover the possible nerves but it's not exactly the right borders for injections, we'll get to that in a second. however you absolutely should never go any higher than top red border as you want to maintain your upper face fat pads.
Takeaways: Don't hit nerves. To maintain youthfulness and to prevent your face from aging poorly, you want to dissolve fat ONLY IN the lower part of the face.
my setup
my face before
First day I ran through a bit of submental, moreso just trying to get comfortable/practice my injection technique. Still wanted to save the vast majority for the cheeks. Later that night, I did 2ml in each cheek. I do find it's difficult at this level of leanness to have enough valid injection points/surface area to actually absorb a whole lot more of the liquid than like 2 mL per cheek. however I was being more conservative at this point. I plotted out the areas using black eyeliner making boxes. kinda messy, recommend getting a white pencil instead.
my closeup nervous and shaky first couple injections
I could feel it kinda expanding in there and they say to massage after so I did that, chugged like 3 liters of water, and fasted for the rest of the night.
Woke up next day and already felt like I noticed difference. Virtually no soreness either so I decided to do another session. I’m impressed but I also had a feeling I could max out these results when combining it with fasting and hella water. again more on that later.
So I did another ~2.4mL in each cheek, more injection points and over larger area and that was definitely a lot.
2 of my slightly better injections the next day
Yes i'm aware my skin is flaky red and irritated in those--I kept fucking up the white dot points and had to keep rubbing my face with alcohol wipes.
I looked like a chipmunk that night ngl. But when I woke up swelling was like 80% gone, it was still tender though and running through like 4.4 mL per cheek on consecutive days is a lot to absorb and process. Once again, I did lymphatic drainage massages, fasted, and drank hella water.
I would say non-negotiables to max out results would be: fast for at least 6 hrs before and after, drinking at least 4 liters of water and maintaining electrolyte balance, staying in caloric deficit, cardio at least 10k steps per day for next several days after, and lymphatic massage and drainage 3 times a day for the next several days as the product and dissolved fats clear out of your system.
Neither the manufacturers/sellers or clinics who do fat dissolvers are gonna tell you all this because they only want to give you the minimum results to keep you coming back for more. Just the "oh I think I see a small difference probably need to buy more sessions though".
Returning to the optimal borders for this, I draw them here:
Keep in mind it'll be slightly different for each person but we want to be as precise as possible here. Basically you're just following the natural cheekbone contour while avoiding the jaw and mouth muscles.
I recommend taking a ruler and drawing it on yourself starting at top line along bottom of earlobe straight across until reaching outer part of the eye, then to middle of filtrum level. Horizontal width starting from beardline/jaw muscle to end at edge of mouth muscles/smile lines.
Remember, you can't botch yourself by going too low because you just end up taking out submental fat. You can botch yourself by going too high though.
The Metabolics Lesson:
Lemon Bottle works differently than other fat dissolvers in that in directly and very quickly starts breaking down the fat, so that isn't the bottleneck. The bottleneck is your overall metabolic and lympathic systems' abilities to then get rid of the fat, because we are trying to bypass the normal way the body loses fat.
What made me realize this fully was I had some interesting side effects the next day (aside from just injection point soreness). Nothing concerning, actually good signs that it was working through the system. Basically my shits were greasy/oily and yellowish which I could only assume is the dissolved fat needing to be taken out at a supraphysiological rate. But there’s certainly a max load of LB you can handle because your lymph nodes and liver have to process everything that’s been dissolved, so that’s the real bottleneck.
Think of it this way: when your body burns fat the normal way, your metabolic and lymphatic systems are balanced. In fat catabolism, you will only lose as much fat from around all the different places in your body as your lymph nodes can shuttle down and send to your liver to process out.
Meanwhile, when we do fat dissolving injections in a localized area, we’re attempting to break down way more fat in one specific place than the body would ever do and then shove it right up to the front of the line in the catabolic process.
So basically in order to max out your results with Lemon bottle, you should be in a caloric deficit, fasted, in a state of ketosis, drinking a fuckton of water, still moving around, and doing lymphatic drainage.
My Final Results:
I took this video one week later for comparison.
The results are definitely noticeable as you can tell easily when looking at this side by side of before/after videos
Dramatic? No, and I wasn't expecting or even wanting a dramatic difference. But noticeable, 100%.
I probably will be doing more sessions, maybe even attacking my bulbous ahh nose like Pneumo did but that looks like it hurts bad.
The end, thx for reading, this took a long ass time to work on and should finally be the solution to any lemon bottle questions or debates.
Mods and/or ppl I've talked to about this: @Orka @aids @Chad @TechnoBoss @mohi_100
