DELVING DEEP INTO CARNIVORE

[Never Get Up]

i searched, couldn't find shit. And yeah it's an assocation... But by doing a metaanalysis of 9 studies that uses statins? cmon man you can't be this naive. There is no nutritional study even that has it be controlled to that degree. Doesn't mean LDL is suddenly safe. Research so far shows it isn't. The fact that there is no study that has it be fully controlled doesn't disprove it. jfl

Science is based on pure, hard proven cause and effect facts. It is not based on association.

There are 0 cause and effect studies on ANY aspect of nutrition in the science field.

Until an observative, multiple decade experiment comes out, all we have is associations.

It doesn’t matter how many people agree on something, it can still be incorrect.

You need to develop some competence in the field of health science and nutrition before you start spouting random “studies” that are not only associative, but paid off by big pharma.

 

[PsychoH]

This thread will mostly be covering the best performing diet for looksmaxxing

you are free to give criticism, and some of the things in this thread may or may not be factually true and they are from my personal experience of research

Sources of said points in this thread will be below the claims said so.

Carnivore Diet

Carnivore is the best diet for having a freaky low body-fat dominant look

but, it has supposedly has serious and devastating side effects.

some studies show it kills the shit out of free test, and thyroid.
this means no more heightmaxxing for you !
+ the other benefits of T3z

however, I did deeper research on this and here is what I have discovered.

MAIN CONCERNS
1. T3 Levels: T3 is mainly there to help metabolize carbs. When you cut carbs, your body needs less T3. It's not dysfunction, it’s only natural.
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Could the ketogenic diet induce a shift in thyroid function and support a metabolic advantage in healthy participants? A pilot randomized-controlled-crossover trial - PMC

The ketogenic diet (KD) has been shown to result in body mass loss in people with disease as well as healthy people, yet the effect of the KD on thyroid function and metabolism are unknown. We aimed to determine the effects of a KD, compared with an ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

2. TSH Stays Stable: This is the key hormone that shows if your thyroid's working right. On carnivore, it usually doesn't change much at all.
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Effect of low-carbohydrate diets high in either fat or protein on thyroid function, plasma insulin, glucose, and triglycerides in healthy young adults - PubMed

A low-carbohydrate diet, frequently used for treatment of reactive hypoglycemia, hypertriglyceridemia, and obesity may affect thyroid function. We studied the effects of replacing the deleted carbohydrate with either fat or protein in seven healthy young adults. Subjects were randomly assigned...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

3. Thyroid Sensitivity: Some research suggests your body might get more sensitive to thyroid hormones on carnivore, so you need less to get the same effect.
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The Carnivore Diet and Low Thyroid | Nutrition with Judy

Learn more about the nuances of thyroid hormone levels and low-carb diets such as the carnivore diet. Start your root-cause healing journey.

www.nutritionwithjudy.com

ANOTHER EXAMPLE

Real Numbers:
- In one study with 14 dudes, 13 of them had lower T3 on keto compared to a low-fat diet (3.5 vs 4.2 pmol/L).
- Another study with 6 guys showed T3 dropped hard on a 2% carb diet compared to 85% and 44% carb diets.
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The Harvard Carnivore Diet Study: Findings and Takeaway

Why T3 Exists:
- T3's main job is to help break down carbs for energy.
- When you're not eating carbs, your body doesn't need as much T3, again.

BENEFITS++

Carnivore Diet Benefits (from a study of 2029 people):
- 95% reported better overall health
- 66-91% said their well-being improved
- 48-98% saw improvements in various health conditions
- Average BMI dropped from 27.2 to 24.3

Risks and Side Effects:
- Only 1% to 5.5% reported any adverse effects
- Main issues were gut-related (3.1-5.5%), muscle problems (0.3-4.0%), and skin issues (0.1-1.9%)

Cholesterol:
- LDL was high as fuck (172 mg/dL) (scary high cholesterol!!!! (Even better for T)
- But HDL and triglycerides were good (68 mg/dL for both)

SHORT SUMMARY

carnivore diet might mess with your thyroid numbers, but it doesn't seem to fuck up how your thyroid actually works. most people report feeling better, not worse. but we need more long-term studies to be sure.

so to be safe, monitor your health when doing carnivore

but so far unless someone wants to prove me wrong

carnivore debloats, makes u low bf and leanmaxxed full potential.

Aajonus vonderplanitz and sv3rige diet mogs all to death. Even eyecolour changes aajonus got from brown to blue. Lifefuel

 

[iblamesols]

Science is based on pure, hard proven cause and effect facts. It is not based on association.

There are 0 cause and effect studies on ANY aspect of nutrition in the science field.

Until an observative, multiple decade experiment comes out, all we have is associations.

It doesn’t matter how many people agree on something, it can still be incorrect.

You need to develop some competence in the field of health science and nutrition before you start spouting random “studies” that are not only associative, but paid off by big pharma.

dnr show me a controlled study that locks niggas and have them do keto until they are 120 years old

 

[Never Get Up]

dnr show me a controlled study that locks niggas and have them do keto until they are 120 years old

I literally just said there are 0 100% controlled studies on any aspect of nutrition.

Short attention span much? Maybe it’s the brain fog from all that plant material you’re eating.

 

[iblamesols]

I literally just said there are 0 100% controlled studies on any aspect of nutrition.

Short attention span much? Maybe it’s the brain fog from all that plant material you’re eating.

show me his diploma dnr

 

[iblamesols]

I literally just said there are 0 100% controlled studies on any aspect of nutrition.

Short attention span much? Maybe it’s the brain fog from all that plant material you’re eating.

diploma when?

 

[LilJojo]

Carnivore diet is bullshit and it messes up ur thyroid function. Enjoy slow metabolism faggot. When will you retards learn that humans are omnivores and not eating carbs tanks your testosterone levels and thyroid function

No carbs literally tank your testosterone by over %50 its fucking legit

These 14yo don’t have a mind on their own. They listen to any influencer without looking at studies.
Only people who were carnivore were 30K years ago.
Even villagers drink pasteurised milk. “Muh muh pasteurised” Oh no a bad word!
RETARD ITS JUST HEATING IT UP

 

[LilJojo]

diploma when?

If carbs aren’t needed then why does your body require them.

 

[giga_aspie]

These 14yo don’t have a mind on their own. They listen to any influencer without looking at studies.
Only people who were carnivore were 30K years ago.
Even villagers drink pasteurised milk. “Muh muh pasteurised” Oh no a bad word!
RETARD ITS JUST HEATING IT UP

Pasteurization alters the milks nutritional profile

 

[asdvek]

Only people who were carnivore were 30K years ago.
Even villagers drink pasteurised milk. “Muh muh pasteurised” Oh no a bad word!
RETARD ITS JUST HEATING IT UP

Yes. It's actually retarded. They see a guy doing it then they start doing it too without any research. Most retarded shit ever.

 

[giga_aspie]

If carbs aren’t needed then why does your body require them.

your body does not require carbs,

I think most people misunderstand what "essential" actually means. In physiological terms, it means that your body cannot create it from other materials, so it must be consumed.

Most people use "essential" in the sense of "necessary", and in that case, you do technically need glucose. But, due to gluconeogenesis, our bodies can make all the glucose we need from protein.

But if defined correctly.

There are essential amino acids (proteins) and essential fatty acids, meaning we have to consume them or we will eventually die.

But there are zero essential carbohydrates. We can make all we need without consuming them. And there is some pretty compelling evidence that for a lot of history, humans lived without carbs for most of their lives, aside from the occasional treat.

Too many people have been brainwashed by the food lobby to believe that "balance" is the most important thing. Even nutritionists are trained to believe that we need carbs to live.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Most retarded niggas in the universe: @giga_aspie @Never Get Up

 

[Never Get Up]

Most retarded niggas in the universe: @giga_aspie @Never Get Up

Smartest*

 

[iblamesols]

If carbs aren’t needed then why does your body require them.

my nigga, when we sucking on that titty milk, it has sugar (lactose), also we have molars, like we are made to eat vegetables and have carbs, or else we would only have incisors, and not digest shit from carbs

 

[iblamesols]

Most retarded niggas in the universe: @giga_aspie @Never Get Up

thank you

Smartest*

diploma reveal when for your retard that is selling liver pills

 

[LilJojo]

my nigga, when we sucking on that titty milk, it has sugar (lactose), also we have molars, like we are made to eat vegetables and have carbs, or else we would only have incisors, and not digest shit from carbs

titty milk doesn’t have anything to do with this.

eating only meat is good and bad depending on what you aim to do.

if your body is in constant ketosis it’s stressful for you because it needs to be constantly recycling the enzymes in order to make glucose

eating a little amount of carbs is far better than none.

 

[LilJojo]

Yes. It's actually retarded. They see a guy doing it then they start doing it too without any research. Most retarded shit ever.

This thing with carbs is fucking annoying me.
Last people who ate only meat were fucking closer to monkeys than us.

 

[LilJojo]

Pasteurization alters the milks nutritional profile

Pasteurisation is heating up the milk for 10 minutes.
Same with cooking meat.
Do you even know what it is?

 

[iblamesols]

titty milk doesn’t have anything to do with this.

eating only meat is good and bad depending on what you aim to do.

if your body is in constant ketosis it’s stressful for you because it needs to be constantly recycling the enzymes in order to make glucose

eating a little amount of carbs is far better than none.

misread, i thought you said the body doesn't need carbs

 

[LilJojo]

misread, i thought you said the body doesn't need carbs

I read it wrong also lol. These carb 14yo are fucking dumb

 

[Judas Froome]

Science is based on pure, hard proven cause and effect facts. It is not based on association.

There are 0 cause and effect studies on ANY aspect of nutrition in the science field.

Until an observative, multiple decade experiment comes out, all we have is associations.

It doesn’t matter how many people agree on something, it can still be incorrect.

You need to develop some competence in the field of health science and nutrition before you start spouting random “studies” that are not only associative, but paid off by big pharma.

Saturated Fat

Eating too much saturated fat can raise the level of LDL(bad) cholesterol in your blood.

www.heart.org

There’s a lot of conflicting information about saturated fats. Should I eat them or not?​

The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats to less than 6% of total calories. Saturated fats are found in butter, cheese, red meat, other animal-based foods and tropical oils. Decades science has proven that saturated fats can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease.

The more important thing to remember is the overall dietary pattern. Saturated fats are just one piece of the puzzle. Eating more fruits, vegetables and whole grains is a way to achieve an overall healthy eating pattern.

When you hear about the latest “diet of the day” or a new or odd-sounding theory about food, consider the source. The American Heart Association makes dietary recommendations only after carefully considering the latest scientific evidence.

 

[Never Get Up]

Saturated Fat

Eating too much saturated fat can raise the level of LDL(bad) cholesterol in your blood.

www.heart.org

There’s a lot of conflicting information about saturated fats. Should I eat them or not?​

Those studies are based on associations, not cause and effect outcomes.

Saturated fat does not cause heart disease. You need to eat it.

 

[Judas Froome]

Those studies are based on associations, not cause and effect outcomes.

Saturated fat does not cause heart disease. You need to eat it.

Causal inference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Replacing saturated fats with PUFAs lower the risk of heart disease. There's no other explanation. I can make an inference based on that

 

[Never Get Up]

Causal inference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Replacing saturated fats with PUFAs lower the risk of heart disease. There's no other explanation. I can make an inference based on that

Risk is the result of a 100% controlled cause and effect. There are no 100% controlled cause and effect studies made by those “scientists”. So false.

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

Causal inference - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Replacing saturated fats with PUFAs lower the risk of heart disease. There's no other explanation. I can make an inference based on that

you're retarded. You are made of saturated fat literally all your cells. Second cholesterol or ldl does not cause any harm in of itself this is also wrong. Unsaturated fat is also usually vegetable oil which you know is horrible for you ( same as nuts and olive oil ). Only animal fat should be consumed

This thing with carbs is fucking annoying me.
Last people who ate only meat were fucking closer to monkeys than us.

There are carbs in meat if you get it fresh and dont cook it : glycogen

Pasteurisation is heating up the milk for 10 minutes.
Same with cooking meat.
Do you even know what it is?

It means destroying a lot of nutrients, every nutrient is heat sencitive and will be destroyed, some more than other. For example seed oils are very heat sensitive, creatine also

Risk is the result of a 100% controlled cause and effect. There are no 100% controlled cause and effect studies made by those “scientists”. So false.

what do you think about the little glycogen found in fresh raw meat and overall cooking meat ?

 

[Never Get Up]

what do you think about the little glycogen found in fresh raw meat and overall cooking meat ?

Raw mogs

 

[LilJojo]

you're retarded. You are made of saturated fat literally all your cells. Second cholesterol or ldl does not cause any harm in of itself this is also wrong. Unsaturated fat is also usually vegetable oil which you know is horrible for you ( same as nuts and olive oil ). Only animal fat should be consumed

There are carbs in meat if you get it fresh and dont cook it : glycogen

It means destroying a lot of nutrients, every nutrient is heat sencitive and will be destroyed, some more than other. For example seed oils are very heat sensitive, creatine also

what do you think about the little glycogen found in fresh raw meat and overall cooking meat ?

Okay I agree with you that it might destroy some nutrients but these guys believe the reason that they heat up the milk is because big pharma is after them. It’s the same with cooking meat.

These people don’t have a mind of their own they just see something that seems right and they don’t even do any research

 

[Judas Froome]

you're retarded. You are made of saturated fat literally all your cells. Second cholesterol or ldl does not cause any harm in of itself this is also wrong. Unsaturated fat is also usually vegetable oil which you know is horrible for you ( same as nuts and olive oil ). Only animal fat should be consumed

There are carbs in meat if you get it fresh and dont cook it : glycogen

It means destroying a lot of nutrients, every nutrient is heat sencitive and will be destroyed, some more than other. For example seed oils are very heat sensitive, creatine also

what do you think about the little glycogen found in fresh raw meat and overall cooking meat ?

FUCK YOU

Keep repeating things you ear mentally ill psychos say because it sounds based/cool xD imagine that, a retarded teenager forms opinions based on what sounds most badass

I will listen to the science tyvm.

 

[Donkeyballs]

FUCK YOU

Keep repeating things you ear mentally ill psychos say because it sounds based/cool xD imagine that, a retarded teenager forms opinions based on what sounds most badass

I will listen to the science tyvm.

Cardiovascular disease was practically non existent until we started using processed seed oils that replaced more natural lard and butter and other factors. Can you actually tell me why cholesterol is so bad with actually saying the bio mechanical reason? It seems you are confusing healthy saturated cholesterol with oxidized cholesterol with AGEs in an inflammatory environment

 

[Judas Froome]

Cardiovascular disease was practically non existent until we started using processed seed oils that replaced more natural lard and butter and other factors. Can you actually tell me why cholesterol is so bad with actually saying the bio mechanical reason? It seems you are confusing healthy saturated cholesterol with oxidized cholesterol with AGEs in an inflammatory environment

Wrong, heart disease risk used to be higher (after controlling for age and weight)

dietary cholesterol raises LDL by a trivial amount, but it still raises it.

saturated fat(mostly red meat, dairy is health promoting) is what increases risk the most

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

Wrong, heart disease risk used to be higher (after controlling for age and weight)

dietary cholesterol raises LDL by a trivial amount, but it still raises it.

saturated fat(mostly red meat, dairy is health promoting) is what increases risk the most

why increase in ldl is bad ? Its literally a molecule transportor taking cholesterol and other thing from a place to an other. Keep eating your grass and flowers

 

[Judas Froome]

why increase in ldl is bad ? Its literally a molecule transportor taking cholesterol and other thing from a place to an other. Keep eating your grass and flowers

heart disease denial is the most harmful form of misinformation. YOU ARE KILLING PWOPLE WITH YOUR LIES, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

heart disease denial is the most harmful form of misinformation. YOU ARE KILLING PWOPLE WITH YOUR LIES, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT

just jfl, anyways cholesterol from diet is like 5%, the 95% other are made from your cells, because it is the building block of everything. Your body would not make it if it was bad same for ldl. Cholesterol is the healing system in your body it makes no sense and there is not one study showing it cause heart attack. I can create correlation or association with any fcking things. Did you know being gay was associated with being with more girls but does it makes you more attractive ?

 

[Judas Froome]

just jfl, anyways cholesterol from diet is like 5%, the 95% other are made from your cells, because it is the building block of everything. Your body would not make it if it was bad same for ldl. Cholesterol is the healing system in your body it makes no sense and there is not one study showing it cause heart attack. I can create correlation or association with any fcking things. Did you know being gay was associated with being with more girls but does it makes you more attractive ?

Dietary cholesterol only marginally increases risk of heart disease. This is about overconsuming saturated fat increasing LDL which linearly causes heart disease. Carnivore diet + LDL denial is a suicide cult that will cause people to die in funny ways

Yes being gay makes you more attractive.

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

Dietary cholesterol only marginally increases risk of heart disease. This is about overconsuming saturated fat increasing LDL which linearly causes heart disease. Carnivore diet + LDL denial is a suicide cult that will cause people to die in funny ways

Yes being gay makes you more attractive.

No it does not cause as I said. There is not one study cause and effect of high dietary cholesterol increasing risk of heart attack only associations bs. More problems will anyways be avoided if it only increase heart attack risk compare to diabetes gallstones and other things from a normal diet. Taste way better also and feel insanely better. I can cut 1000 cal and feel high T and energized ( I do not imagine when I'd be at maintenance )

 

[Judas Froome]

No it does not cause as I said. There is not one study cause and effect of high dietary cholesterol increasing risk of heart attack only associations bs. More problems will anyways be avoided if it only increase heart attack risk compare to diabetes gallstones and other things from a normal diet. Taste way better also and feel insanely better. I can cut 1000 cal and feel high T and energized ( I do not imagine when I'd be at maintenance )

i believe you feel that, but high fat diets can temporarily make you feel better because most toxins are fat soluble. It's like masking the problem by enclosing it in fluid

Ok I don't think you understand the difference between dietary cholesterol and saturated fat

Difference Between Fat And Cholesterol - Detailed Comparison with Examples & Videos

Difference Between Fat And Cholesterol - The major difference between fat and cholesterol is fats are solid or liquid at room temperature whereas cholesterol is waxy in nature. To know more differences download BYJU'S the learning app.

byjus.com

 

[Judas Froome]

Dietary cholesterol increases risk by a very tiny amount, it doesn't matter

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

i believe you feel that, but high fat diets can temporarily make you feel better because most toxins are fat soluble. It's like masking the problem by enclosing it in fluid

Ok I don't think you understand the difference between dietary cholesterol and saturated fat

Difference Between Fat And Cholesterol - Detailed Comparison with Examples & Videos

Difference Between Fat And Cholesterol - The major difference between fat and cholesterol is fats are solid or liquid at room temperature whereas cholesterol is waxy in nature. To know more differences download BYJU'S the learning app.

byjus.com

there are no toxins in animal food only in plants ( maybe antibiotic added or some medication )
My discour stay the same all your cells are made out of saturated fat which most likely contain cholesterol which increases hdl ldl to be transported. There is nothing wrong with that or I should say we did not find anything bad about that