Demons are fake: prove me wrong

[FutureSlayer]

The Ars Goetia clearly talks about SEEING demons when you summon them. Not “imagining” them, not “astral projecting” their form, not playing makebelieve with your own head. Yet modern occultists keep pushing this nonsense about “visualizing” or “inner conversations” with spirits, which is just outright cope.


So there are only two possibilities:

-They don’t want to deal with us anymore since medieval times, probably because nowadays there’s a higher risk of being recorded or properly documented

-It was all fake from the start

 

[turkcelfatcel]

religion is cope

 

[Ghoulish]

women

 

[FutureSlayer]

religion is cope

it’s not supposed to be a religion

 

[romanstock]

Demons are cope for subhumans who can't handle logic and reason. Logic and reason are of the gods and all the rest are demons. They do see demons: themselves. They screech and attack the god known as logic and reason because they can't comprehend him.

 

[FutureSlayer]

Demons are cope for subhumans who can't handle logic and reason. Logic and reason are of the gods and all the rest are demons. They do see demons: themselves. They screech and attack the god known as logic and reason because they can't comprehend him.

The thing that makes me wonder about all of this is that in very old manuals they were clearly stating to actually see them following the protocol, going forward it started shifting to smoke images, then weird reflections in black mirrors to the today’s “astral imaging” stuff.
It is probably like you said to be fair, as people started experimenting and doubting all of the demon existence itself and not blindly believing they had to start developing a workaround like this in order to keep the believability going

 

[romanstock]

The thing that makes me wonder about all of this is that in very old manuals they were clearly stating to actually see them following the protocol, going forward it started shifting to smoke images, then weird reflections in black mirrors to the today’s “astral imaging” stuff.
It is probably like you said to be fair, as people were starting to experiment and doubt all of the demon stuff they had to start developing a workaround like this in order to keep the believability going

They were mostly rabbis and love to lie. They literally used magician's tricks to scam people 2000 yrs ago, there's Roman records about cracking down on the scammers. They did the same thing in medieval times trying to infiltrate the courts of gullible nobles, and as they always do, they targeted the female nobles. Aleister Crowley was a British intelligence agent and a known liar who could never replicate his claims.

 

[FutureSlayer]

They were mostly rabbis and love to lie. They literally used magician's tricks to scam people 2000 yrs ago, there's Roman records about cracking down on the scammers. They did the same thing in medieval times trying to infiltrate the courts of gullible nobles, and as they always do, they targeted the female nobles. Aleister Crowley was a British intelligence agent and a known liar who could never replicate his claims.

Exactly