DHT Blockers are not worth the risk

[JohnDoe]

I see fin/dut mentioned here constantly but is it really worth the risk of pfs? ED, flat emotion, penile/ball shrinkage, brain fog, testicular pain, etc etc the list goes on and on and they're life ruining side-effects that don't go away once you stop taking it. You're fucked for life.
So many guys here telling teenagers to take it. Cope until you can afford hair transplant otherwise i suggest you have the gun ready because it's a one way trip to an hero if you end up in the % of people who suffer from this.
Go read PFS/other post fin forums.
Furthermore, we don't know the long term effects of blocking 70-75% of our DHT, there's very little research in this, they don't even know why pfs occurs or how to solve it.
Risk/Reward = not worth it. Save up for hair transplant (which has its own issues but none that are as suicidal as PFS)
Also fuck that resident finasteride shill i see in every hair thread shilling this drug.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

 

[igbekele007]

ED, flat emotion, penile/ball shrinkage, brain fog, testicular pain

Happens 2% with 1% being nocebo base, and goes away once you stop.

PFS is a meme for cats tryna make a bag from the company.

Save up for hair transplant

Any doctor who is not a butcher will outright tell you that you will need finasteride or the results won't be satisfactory. Some even deny operation if patient disagrees.

Furthermore, we don't know the long term effects of blocking 70-75% of our DHT, there's very little research in this,

10 years not good for you?

So many guys here telling teenagers to take it.

This is not good, I agree. Should at least be after puberty, I would even give it a few more years after 18 as my beard continued to connect all the way until 21.

resident finasteride

wym

 

[JohnDoe]

Happens 2% with 1% being nocebo base, and goes away once you stop.

PFS is a meme for cats tryna make a bag from the company.

Any doctor who is not a butcher will outright tell you that you will need finasteride or the results won't be satisfactory. Some even deny operation if patient disagrees.

10 years not good for you?

This is not good, I agree. Should at least be after puberty, I would even give it a few more years after 18 as my beard continued to connect all the way until 21.

wym

2% 1%? where are you getting these figures from? You really think people are spending years and years on these forums crying about their issues for a settlement? it's very obviously real and pharma jews don't give a fuck. And yh hair transplant surgeons will recommend fin but it's just not worth it, whether you take it with or without transplant, the risk of completely ruining your life without any chance of relief is just not worth it. Hair transplant will last until you are old enough to where it doesn't matter. Hair in your youth/prime matters and a transplant should have that covered. 10 year study? jfl they don't even know why pfs happens nor how to cure it if there even is a cure, that should tell you everything you need to know about this drug and the pharma jews who make it.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

This is not good, I agree. Should at least be after puberty, I would even give it a few more years after 18 as my beard continued to connect all the way until 21.

What should I do in the meantime?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

You really think people are spending years and years on these forums crying about their issues for a settlement?

yes

 

[JohnDoe]

yes

To think every guy on there is just wanting money for side effects that don't exist according to you is completely delusional.

 

[JohnDoe]

What should I do in the meantime?

Get a job and save for transplant or play russian roulette with fin and keep a gun close by incase it doesn't go your way.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

Get a job and save for transplant or play russian roulette with fin and keep a gun close by incase it doesn't go your way.

how much is a transplant?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

To think every guy on there is just wanting money for side effects that don't exist according to you is completely delusional.

they went bald, hit an identity crisis in their 30s along with a bunch of other shit and found fin as the the ultimate scapegoat for why their lifes suck. everything bad that happens to them happens because they took a few fin pills years ago.

 

[JohnDoe]

they went bald, hit an identity crisis in their 30s along with a bunch of other shit and found fin as the the ultimate scapegoat for why their lifes suck

The side effects are severe for the most part, not something you just make up and pretend it exists because your life sucks. And if you actually took a look at the forum, you'll see there are tons of under 30 guys reporting the same thing.

 

[JohnDoe]

how much is a transplant?

A few k in turkey or maybe more in USA/Europe.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Keep fear mongering so niggas with a working brain can have less competition

 

[gribsufer1]

SAM-e

 

[igbekele007]

2% 1%? where are you getting these figures from?

Reserach.

ou really think people are spending years and years on these forums crying about their issues for a settlement?

Yes. and this:

they went bald, hit an identity crisis in their 30s along with a bunch of other shit and found fin as the the ultimate scapegoat for why their lifes suck

Get a job and save for transplant or play russian roulette with fin and keep a gun close by incase it doesn't go your way.

Why not both? Your transplant will be a meme without fin anyways. Doc will extract say 3000 grafts. Grafts are mostly double. One of the double will be in telogen phase or miniaturized. Fin will save that graft.

Going out of topic but I think you need some game on transplant because it's not as miraculous as you think. Above is the reason why butchers run 5000 grafts for cheap because they don't know how to properly store grafts between extraction and transplant so some of those grafts die and they effectively transplant like 3000 grafts like everyone else.

Hair transplant will last until you are old enough to where it doesn't matter.

Yeah bro it lasted all the way through his casket god bless his FUE.

 

[JohnDoe]

Keep fear mongering so niggas with a working brain can have less competition

No fear mongering, it's just the reality of the situation. Just because you didn't have the side effects, doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

The side effects are severe for the most part, not something you just make up and pretend it exists because your life sucks. And if you actually took a look at the forum, you'll see there are tons of under 30 guys reporting the same thing.

 

[JohnDoe]

Reserach.

Yes. and this:


Why not both? Your transplant will be a meme without fin anyways. Doc will extract say 3000 grafts. Grafts are mostly double. One of the double will be in telogen phase or miniaturized. Fin will save that graft.

Going out of topic but I think you need some game on transplant because it's not as miraculous as you think. Above is the reason why butchers run 5000 grafts for cheap because they don't know how to properly store grafts between extraction and transplant so some of those grafts die and they effectively transplant like 3000 grafts like everyone else.

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Yeah bro it lasted all the way through his casket god bless his FUE.

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish by showing some cherry picked picture of a guy who i'm assuming had a transplant and it didn't go too well. If something has the risk of completely ruining your life aka PFS then it's not worth the risk. You say 1-2% but i want to see actual statistics/proof on this because i think it's closer to 5% than it is 1.

 

[JohnDoe]

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What am i supposed to get from this picture? again cherrypicking random pictures that aren't relevant. That has nothing to do with PFS/side effects.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish by showing some cherry picked picture of a guy who i'm assuming had a transplant and it didn't go too well. If something has the risk of completely ruining your life aka PFS then it's not worth the risk. You say 1-2% but i want to see actual statistics/proof on this because i think it's closer to 5% than it is 1.

You’re willing to go bald over a 5% chance that you don’t even know is real. If you get sides just get off immediately and in a week or two you’ll be back to normal.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

What am i supposed to get from this picture? again cherrypicking random pictures that aren't relevant. That has nothing to do with PFS/side effects.

it's from their forum

 

[JohnDoe]

it's from their forum

So? it doesn't really prove anything.

 

[JohnDoe]

You’re willing to go bald over a 5% chance that you don’t even know is real. If you get sides just get off immediately and in a week or two you’ll be back to normal.

I know it's real, it's very obvious to anyone who isn't double digit IQ that PFS and severe side-effects of fin/dut are very real. Just stop taking the drug doesn't mean you will go back to normal, the entire forum is dedicated to people who have had symptoms sometimes even years after they stopped taking it. One guy even mentioned taking 1 single pill and has headache issues 9 months later that still hasn't gone away. The risks are very real and dangerous.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

So? it doesn't really prove anything.

the forum is filled with these schizo posts

 

[JohnDoe]

the forum is filled with these schizo posts

Dunno what your goal is by trying to make me think the forum is full of schizos and liars when it obviously isn't You cherry pick pictures about a guy who claims to have had "mild" negative effects from fin, i'm talking about the serious life ruining ones that persist even after they stop taking it.

 

[Paroxysm]

you HAVE to take fin after getting a hair transplant or else the hair on the part of your head that hasn't been covered by the transplant will continue to miniaturize and you'll end up with an actual bird's nest on your dome. there's no such thing as a transplant without a hair keeping protocol. fin sides are real but you're talking out of your ass. it's up to the individual to decide whether they'd rather live the fucking miserable life of a bald person vs having to deal with a low chance of noticeable side effects that go away after discontinuing the drug. any logical person would choose the latter.

 

[grimy]

Everyone always talks about Fin sides but NEVER talk about the cons of being BALD. I agree that "only 1% of people get sides" is probably inaccurate and too low. But let's say it's 10%. What's the alternative? Completely obliterating your SMV and then being depressed as your quality of life worsens?

 

[andy9432]

Damned if u do, damned if u dont, but hair is life. A head without hair is like a tree without leaves.

 

[balding17yomanletcel]

There is no such thing as DHT blockers, there is only 5 alpha reductase enzyme inhibitors which block the progress of making DHT from androgens, retard

 

[garfyld]

Keep your pns strong to have head full of hair

 

[JohnDoe]

you HAVE to take fin after getting a hair transplant or else the hair on the part of your head that hasn't been covered by the transplant will continue to miniaturize and you'll end up with an actual bird's nest on your dome. there's no such thing as a transplant without a hair keeping protocol. fin sides are real but you're talking out of your ass. it's up to the individual to decide whether they'd rather live the fucking miserable life of a bald person vs having to deal with a low chance of noticeable side effects that go away after discontinuing the drug. any logical person would choose the latter.

The whole point is that PFS/severe side-effects that DON'T go away once you stop taking the drug. That's the risk/issue with fin/dut.

 

[JohnDoe]

Keep your pns strong to have head full of hair

Explain?

 

[JohnDoe]

Everyone always talks about Fin sides but NEVER talk about the cons of being BALD. I agree that "only 1% of people get sides" is probably inaccurate and too low. But let's say it's 10%. What's the alternative? Completely obliterating your SMV and then being depressed as your quality of life worsens?

Quality of life worsens as opposed to your dick/balls shrinking, you feeling no pleasure or emotion whatsoever aka robot, zero libido, the list goes on, these are worse than simply a decrease in quality of life. They're life ruining effects.

 

[Fkingigacope]

Quality of life worsens as opposed to your dick/balls shrinking, you feeling no pleasure or emotion whatsoever aka robot, zero libido, the list goes on, these are worse than simply a decrease in quality of life. They're life ruining effects.

Ye nice bro except if you suffer from hairloss you wanna rope anyways due to depression quite often and someone who does have severe sides on fin is just subhuman. Taking fin might actually improve your wellbeing. I will never understand this fearmongers who read about the sides and tell everyone not to take it XD like your dick will work anyways while you are hairless loser and the only thing that will be left to you is wanking your dick

 

[JohnDoe]

Ye nice bro except if you suffer from hairloss you wanna rope anyways due to depression quite often and someone who does have severe sides on fin is just subhuman. Taking fin might actually improve your wellbeing. I will never understand this fearmongers who read about the sides and tell everyone not to take it XD like your dick will work anyways while you are hairless loser and the only thing that will be left to you is wanking your dick

The sides from fin are permanent and literal life ruining. Your dick not working will be the least of your worries, you will an hero for sure.

 

[Fkingigacope]

The sides from fin are permanent and literal life ruining. Your dick not working will be the least of your worries, you will an hero for sure.

Yeah but you don't even know the fact fin should be taken ehile doing hair transplant and it is like one of the most basics thing. I doubt any info from you is legit in any way since you don't even know what are you talking about, go read some gay pfs forums with other fearmongers

 

[Deleted member 22639]

RU58841: reduce scalp but not systemic DHT

Done

 

[JohnDoe]

RU58841: reduce scalp but not systemic DHT

Done

And hopefully you don't drop dead from heart failure HAHA!

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Forum name: john doe
IRL name: Pajeet

 

[paulallen]

If you get a transplant without being on fin your hair will further miniaturize effectively wasting your money.

 

[Paroxysm]

The whole point is that PFS/severe side-effects that DON'T go away once you stop taking the drug. That's the risk/issue with fin/dut.

actual pfs is so unlikely to happen that the risk is still worth it. HAIR IS LIFE most of you need that ingrained deeply into your head. i've had phases where i thought it wasn't that big of a deal after all but every single time reality puts my coping ass back into place.

HAVING HAIR IS WORTH THE RISK OF FIN SIDES.

 

[HerpDerpson]

What do you need a working erection for? Jerking off?

 

[Deleted member 1140]

If you get a transplant without being on fin your hair will further miniaturize effectively wasting your money.

that only affects a small % of males. transplanted hair doesnt fall out so recovery from a nw3 to nw1 is safe. its just a small minority of people who are balding who end up nw6 or nw7. so its totally safe to get 1-2 transplants for most people and look like they never lost hair.

also hairloss stabilizes for most people at 30-35 so if you are nw2 or 3 at that age, u wont be bald at 40-45 suddenly.

for guys who have aggressive hairloss, the only hope is fin/dut or new drugs like pyrilutamide or verteporfin


im at nw2 now at 25. took fin and it fucked up my libido, boners and possibly gave me gyno and dark undereyes. im not an exception. when i read through forums who are PRO fin (like tressless), still the majority of people claim side effects. it’s probably around 70% who at least feel a drop in erection quality or libido.

 

[Paroxysm]

that only affects a small % of males. transplanted hair doesnt fall out so recovery from a nw3 to nw1 is safe. its just a small minority of people who are balding who end up nw6 or nw7.

"small minority" source: your ass.

Balding is a process with a beginning and an end, as soon it sets in that your hair is thinning and receding it WILL keep going until nw6 or nw7, it's only a matter of time and luck whether the process will be complete at 30 or at 50. and at both ages you don't really wanna be that dude who looks like this:



Pushing your luck with it because you're scared of fin sides is retarded. Hair transplants are one of those things were you either go all in or do nothing at all. hts without a baldness treatment are utterly pointless. your hair will look retarded af as soon as the thinning gets anywhere near noticeable right behind the transplanted healthy hairs

if anything the small minority is the one that DOESN'T keep on balding once the initial receding and thinning sets in.

 

[stevenashbaby]

Fuck outta here with this bullshit fear mongering op. Go back to your shit life you nerd, this is a looksmaxxing forum. Hair is life.

 

[Deleted member 1140]

"small minority" source: your ass.

Balding is a process with a beginning and an end, as soon it sets in that your hair is thinning and receding it WILL keep going until nw6 or nw7, it's only a matter of time and luck whether the process will be complete at 30 or at 50. and at both ages you don't really wanna be that dude who looks like this:

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Pushing your luck with it because you're scared of fin sides is retarded. Hair transplants are one of those things were you either go all in or do nothing at all. hts without a baldness treatment are utterly pointless. your hair will look retarded af as soon as the thinning gets anywhere near noticeable right behind the transplanted healthy hairs

if anything the small minority is the one that DOESN'T keep on balding once the initial receding and thinning sets in.

tl;dr

go on the street and tell me how many men at 50-55 are nw7

oh most are nw 2-4? now stfu dogfucker

 

[Paroxysm]

tl;dr

go on the street and tell me how many men at 50-55 are nw7

oh most are nw 2-4? now stfu dogfucker

because most men don't start balding at 20 you fucking retard.

people asking for advice on forums like this one or those dude on /r/tressless are mostly between 20 and 30.

if you start balding at 22 there's almost no chance in hell you'll be fully bald as late as 50. your shit will be gone within 10 years tops, in most cases, or gone enough for HTs without hair maintenance to look retarded as i said. and norwooding is not the only measure of hair loss, in fact DENSITY is miles more important, and that's what will make your transplant look like shit if the hairs in the front are 4-5 times as thick as the ones still present on the back

finasteride sides truly fucked you up if you need a little drawing to understand such a basic thing. or maybe you were this dumb from the beginning lol

stop spreading your shit low iq advice and disinfo to men who come in here to seek help

 

[Kama]

get cancer you anime watching turbo virgin

u have no clue what ur talking about literally use google at what ages people start receding and when theyre fully bald

keep taking ur tranny drugs u fucking trans nigger

most people start balding at 20-25, yet u barely see any bald heads or nw5-7 irl at 40-50 years

True, testosterone and dht peak around 35 to 40 years of age, and male pattern baldness will progress until around the peak testosterone and if you do hair transplant and it’s successful, that hair will last until you die.
DHT is effective form of testosterone that works on everything from brain, skin, penis, hair, bones and skeletal muscles, and I don’t see how blocking its effects will not hurt you.
Yes, finesteride works mostly on DHT effects on hair mostly but we still see rise in testosterone (because of lack of feedback loop) so it’s still having effect systemically (not just hair).

 

[HerpDerpson]

most people start balding at 20-25, yet u barely see any bald heads or nw5-7 irl at 40-50 years

Nw2 is already bad and nw3 is over.

 

[Deleted member 1140]

Nw2 is already bad and nw3 is over.

enjoy ue life if u expext nw0-1 at 30