DHT Blockers are not worth the risk

[Paroxysm]

get cancer you anime watching turbo virgin

u have no clue what ur talking about literally use google at what ages people start receding and when theyre fully bald

keep taking ur tranny drugs u fucking trans nigger

most people start balding at 20-25, yet u barely see any bald heads or nw5-7 irl at 40-50 years

cage @ your existence, you got fin sides and are trying to bring people down with you in your incel shaped hole of mud and diarrhea

what kind of world do you even live in where "most" people start balding at 20-25 lol it's called early balding for a reason, you're so out of touch with reality its insane

fin chads will keep winning while low iq losers with shit genetics like you try to spread disinfo on the internet

True, testosterone and dht peak around 35 to 40 years of age, and male pattern baldness will progress until around the peak testosterone and if you do hair transplant and it’s successful, that hair will last until you die.
DHT is effective form of testosterone that works on everything from brain, skin, penis, hair, bones and skeletal muscles, and I don’t see how blocking its effects will not hurt you.
Yes, finesteride works mostly on DHT effects on hair mostly but we still see rise in testosterone (because of lack of feedback loop) so it’s still having effect systemically (not just hair).

what the actual fuck are you talking about






@lurkers: beware of misinfo and always question what you read on here, including my own posts for good measure

 

[Kama]

cage @ your existence, you got fin sides and are trying to bring people down with you in your incel shaped hole of mud and diarrhea

what kind of world do you even live in where "most" people start balding at 20-25 lol it's called early balding for a reason, you're so out of touch with reality its insane

fin chads will keep winning while low iq losers with shit genetics like you try to spread disinfo on the internet

what the actual fuck are you talking about

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@lurkers: beware of misinfo and always question what you read on here, including my own posts for good measure

Please look closely at the data you presented. It concurs with what I said. The DHT (effective form of testosterone) does drop drastically around early 40s. The testosterone drops so as well but it might rise slightly as you lower negative feedback loop when you get older. DHT gives negative feedback lol to LH and test production.

 

[Kama]

Also, please read about hermaphroditism and 5 alpha reductase deficiency, show how important DHT effect is in brain and body masculinization/ maturity.

 

[Paroxysm]

Please look closely at the data you presented. It concurs with what I said. The DHT (effective form of testosterone) does drop drastically around early 40s. The testosterone drops so as well but it might rise slightly as you lower negative feedback loop when you get older. DHT gives negative feedback lol to LH and test production.

you said that it peaks at that age, not that it starts declining

reducing serum DHT past puberty does not cause harm to most men, and that along with a slight rise in test from reduced conversion to DHT is symptomatically insignificant except to the unlucky few who get real fin sides

you people need to stop fear mongering for the sake of it

you know what actually hurts men in a measurable and profound way? BEING BALD

 

[Deleted member 1140]

cage @ your existence, you got fin sides and are trying to bring people down with you in your incel shaped hole of mud and diarrhea

what kind of world do you even live in where "most" people start balding at 20-25 lol it's called early balding for a reason, you're so out of touch with reality its insane

fin chads will keep winning while low iq losers with shit genetics like you try to spread disinfo on the internet

what the actual fuck are you talking about

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„Hair Loss in Your 20s
The majority of androgenetic alopecia (or male pattern baldness) sufferers start noticing their hair loss in their mid to late twenties.“


and you do realize that most normies, derms and even studies dont see a nw1-nw2 as hairloss right? mostly people at nw3 start noticing it..

stop calling me subhuman i mog you in every single way possible dont male me include my pics and make u suicidal

 

[Paroxysm]

„Hair Loss in Your 20s
The majority of androgenetic alopecia (or male pattern baldness) sufferers start noticing their hair loss in their mid to late twenties.“


and you do realize that most normies, derms and even studies dont see a nw1-nw2 as hairloss right? mostly people at nw3 start noticing it..

stop calling me subhuman i mog you in every single way possible dont male me include my pics and make u suicidal

you dont mog anyone with your 10k posts, you're a larping rotter on an incel forum spouting a bunch of bs about hair loss and hair keeping because of crab mentality

stop spreading bullshit about hair loss

 

[Deleted member 1140]

you dont mog anyone with your 10k posts, you're a larping rotter on an incel forum spouting a bunch of bs about hair loss and hair keeping because of crab mentality

stop spreading bullshit about hair loss

„

Hair Loss in Your 20s​

The majority of androgenetic alopecia (or male pattern baldness) sufferers start noticing their hair loss in their mid to late twenties.“

i literally prove my point, you didnt prove shit yet

 

[makeme183]

also hairloss stabilizes for most people at 30-35 so if you are nw2 or 3 at that age, u wont be bald at 40-45 suddenly.

im at nw2 now at 25. took fin and it fucked up my libido

so if you knew that hairloss stabilises after a certain age, why didn't you just wait it out and get a HT
why did you risk taking fin ?

you're a chad btw

 

[Deleted member 1140]

so if you knew that hairloss stabilises after a certain age, why didn't you just wait it out and get a HT
why did you risk taking fin ?

you're a chad btw

i didnt know then that hairloss stops or slows down for many people. also taking fin without sides is definitely easier than getting a ht i guess

also chances are thar i lose all my hair at some point. my father was nw2 ar 25 and is nw2.5 now at 60. but my grandfather is nw4 and the other one nw7 u can never tell

 

[Paroxysm]

„

Hair Loss in Your 20s​

The majority of androgenetic alopecia (or male pattern baldness) sufferers start noticing their hair loss in their mid to late twenties.“

i literally prove my point, you didnt prove shit yet

that bullshit about most mpb sufferers "noticing" their hairloss is literally just about minor density changes or hairline changes that happen at 19-20 who only THEY notice when dht peaks aka mature hairline. hair undergoes slight changes from puberty to early adulthood, it does not mean that actual balding has taken place.

+ not even considering that people approving to be test subjects on surveys or studies about mpb are likelier to be fixated about the appearance of their hair aka EARLY SUFFERERS. cage at your iq once again. go outside. do most people aged 20-25 look like they're balding to you? if your shit is fucked enough to warrant a hair transplant at that age then it's already at the point where protocols are non negotiable.

you didn't prove shit and literally every single thing you said has been bullshit, HTs without fin / min are DUMB, but probably not as dumb as you. you are fixating on the ONLY thing that you think you can "confirm" because of a copy paste from a hairloss treating shop (which DING DING will mostly receive young men concerned with their appearance and hair! but i still assumed your quote was coming from a study or survey just to give you some leeway because i feel generous).

nice pics btw saved them

 

[Deleted member 1140]

that bullshit about most mpb sufferers "noticing" their hairloss is literally just about minor density changes or hairline changes that happen at 19-20 who only THEY notice when dht peaks aka mature hairline. hair undergoes slight changes from puberty to early adulthood, it does not mean that actual balding has taken place.

+ not even considering that people approving to be test subjects on surveys or studies about mpb are likelier to be fixated about the appearance of their hair aka EARLY SUFFERERS. cage at your iq once again. go outside. do most people aged 20-25 look like they're balding to you? if your shit is fucked enough to warrant a hair transplant at that age then it's already at the point where protocols are non negotiable.

you didn't prove shit and literally every single thing you said has been bullshit, HTs without fin / min are DUMB, but probably not as dumb as you. you are fixating on the ONLY thing that you think you can "confirm" because of a copy paste from a hairloss treating shop (which DING DING will mostly receive young men concerned with their appearance and hair! but i still assumed your quote was coming from a study or survey just to give you some leeway because i feel generous).

nice pics btw saved them

didnt read

 

[Paroxysm]

didnt read

yes you did. you're a subhuman whose baseline dht is so low that fin is enough to give you severe sides.

 

[Deleted member 1140]

yes you did. you're a subhuman whose baseline dht is so low that fin is enough to give you severe sides.

believe it or not i actually didn’t read it

just enjoy ur tranny drugs and dont cry when ur one day attracted to bbc

 

[Paroxysm]

believe it or not i actually didn’t read it

just enjoy ur tranny drugs and dont cry when ur one day attracted to bbc

don't cry when you wake up 5 years from now and realize you're nw5

 

[grimy]

i've had phases where i thought it wasn't that big of a deal after all but every single time reality puts my coping ass back into place.

Same. I shaved my head when I was like 21 in this redpill "own it" phase (I was nw2). It's actually night and day how you get treated with and without hair. Not even just sexual interactions with women, just people being friendly towards you.

 

[Kama]

U r not getting my point. DHT will keep rising until around 38 and will diminish significantly after early 40s. Good thing about DTH is that it will masculinize your brain (prevent dementia later in life, make you more rational and focused) give you more collagen , strong bones, good libido and erections, more muscle mass, so on and so on. Only bad thing is that it might cause prostatic hyperplasia and can cause male pattern baldness if you are prone to it but the hair loss will stabilize at around 40s when your DHT peaks.
If you take DHT receptor blocking drugs, it will in effect prevent healthy effects of DHT (and the extent of side effects depends on dosage and type of blocker you take where dutesteride is way more powerful than finesteride). And, you have to take these drugs perpetually thru 20s thru 50s.
Meanwhile, the grafts that they transplant thru FUE will last a lifetime because the follicles have transformed enough where they originally grew that they will not be affected by DHT.
So you have 3 choices:
-DHT blocker only
-DHT blocker + Hair transplant
-Hair transplant only
Yes, the option 2 will be the best for hair, but I refuse to believe the side effects are minimal given that pharmaceutical companies are not honorable given their track record. So, I suggest for option 3 in phases if you have enough grafts but in phases. It will be cheaper than option 1 and 2 in the long run as well.

 

[Paroxysm]

U r not getting my point. DHT will keep rising until around 38 and will diminish significantly after early 40s. Good thing about DTH is that it will masculinize your brain (prevent dementia later in life, make you more rational and focused) give you more collagen , strong bones, good libido and erections, more muscle mass, so on and so on. Only bad thing is that it might cause prostatic hyperplasia and can cause male pattern baldness if you are prone to it but the hair loss will stabilize at around 40s when your DHT peaks.
If you take DHT receptor blocking drugs, it will in effect prevent healthy effects of DHT (and the extent of side effects depends on dosage and type of blocker you take where dutesteride is way more powerful than finesteride). And, you have to take these drugs perpetually thru 20s thru 50s.
Meanwhile, the grafts that they transplant thru FUE will last a lifetime because the follicles have transformed enough where they originally grew that they will not be affected by DHT.
So you have 3 choices:
-DHT blocker only
-DHT blocker + Hair transplant
-Hair transplant only
Yes, the option 2 will be the best for hair, but I refuse to believe the side effects are minimal given that pharmaceutical companies are not honorable given their track record. So, I suggest for option 3 in phases if you have enough grafts but in phases. It will be cheaper than option 1 and 2 in the long run as well.

I found zero evidence that DHT "keeps rising until around 38". If you have it link it. Every source I've looked up states that it peaks at the end of puberty then stays somewhat stable until around 40 where it starts to drop along with testosterone.

And the thing about FUE grafts is that there's nowhere near enough grafts in the donor area to cover the entire area of the head sensitive to DHT. That's why transplants are not an option for the vast majority of people in NW5 and above territory except a few miracle cases, and that's why fin and / or min after hts is a must.

 

[Kama]

I found zero evidence that DHT "keeps rising until around 38". If you have it link it. Every source I've looked up states that it peaks at the end of puberty then stays somewhat stable until around 40 where it starts to drop along with testosterone.

And the thing about FUE grafts is that there's nowhere near enough grafts in the donor area to cover the entire area of the head sensitive to DHT. That's why transplants are not an option for the vast majority of people in NW5 and above territory except a few miracle cases, and that's why fin and / or min after hts is a must.

The first graph you submitted itself shows the free dihydrotestosterone (dht) vs age, please look.
Yes, it depends on what level of mpb you will ultimately progress to. Upto 6500 to 8000 can be harvested and depending on how many follicles per graft, I think it will be good enough for norwood 5, where there is alopecia on temples and crown. If you disagree that's fine.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

yeah the fin question is an interesting one. some have relatively mild sides and great regrowth. some get turbo nuked. wisest decision might be nanodosing with like .1mg and see if you potentially need more.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

yea its not like dht is a brain hormone or sum

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Fuck outta here with this bullshit fear mongering op. Go back to your shit life you nerd, this is a looksmaxxing forum. Hair is life.

Yeah he’s a fag

 

[BlondeB1tch]

You're spreading nonsense, I bet you haven't even taken it. Transplant alone wont solve balding issue. Also when I told my derm about PFS he said people are idiots and that he takes the drug himself for over 10 years. Balding is death sentence anyways so nothing to lose

 

[lvr klutch]

You’re willing to go bald over a 5% chance that you don’t even know is real. If you get sides just get off immediately and in a week or two you’ll be back to normal.

LITERALLY ppl r so dumb butvthat makes less competition for us so idc

 

[nuclearlooksmaxxer]

The first graph you submitted itself shows the free dihydrotestosterone (dht) vs age, please look.
Yes, it depends on what level of mpb you will ultimately progress to. Upto 6500 to 8000 can be harvested and depending on how many follicles per graft, I think it will be good enough for norwood 5, where there is alopecia on temples and crown. If you disagree that's fine.

im too late but the graph shows that dht peaks in mid 20s, and after that it slightly decreases.

 

[lestoa]

The likelihood of experiencing severe side effects is very low, around 5-7 percent. I have good hair genetics, my grandfather on my father's side is Norwood 0 at 60. My mother's side is alright too. I will probably cope with topical dut, minox and a hair transplant. But at 16, I'm not thinking too much about it.

 

[piec]

The likelihood of experiencing severe side effects is very low, around 5-7 percent. I have good hair genetics, my grandfather on my father's side is Norwood 0 at 60. My mother's side is alright too. I will probably cope with topical dut, minox and a hair transplant. But at 16, I'm not thinking too much about it.

nigga topical dut goes systemic u might as well pop a pill

 

[lestoa]

nigga topical dut goes systemic u might as well pop a pill

ik, but its better then oral

 

[Imretarded?]

muh it'll shrink your penis

Yeah well if you're balding, you won't be using your cock on a woman anyways so it's utterly irrelevant. What do you need a 6 inch cock as an incel for? Better to have 5 inches and have chances with women.

Regardless. This doesn't even happen for most finasteride patients.

 

[LooksmaxAutist]

Your balls do not shrink, 95%+ men do not experience any issues taking the drug, being bald is a fuck ton worse than any of the side effects you listed.