DHT derivative for dimorphism?

[Asymmetrycel]

I read Clavicular's and ConfusedBolivian's threads about increases in male-biased dimporhism when on anabolics, especially DHT derivatives. If I theoretically used stacked masteronor primo with test at 16, could this help masculinize my face? If so, then to what degree?

 

[St.TikTokcel]

I read Clavicular's and ConfusedBolivian's threads about increases in male-biased dimporhism when on anabolics, especially DHT derivatives. If I theoretically used stacked masteronor primo with test at 16, could this help masculinize my face? If so, then to what degree?

If you think roids will turn your face into @ConfusedBolivian one then you're a dead wrong.

 

[JohnDoe]

Best advice you are going to get on this subject: Do not take roids.

 

[Asymmetrycel]

If you think roids will turn your face into @ConfusedBolivian one then you're a dead wrong.

JFL. I was asking to what degree, if any, roiding up would change my bones. Not sure when I said that I thought my face would turn into ConfusedBolivian's.

 

[St.TikTokcel]

JFL. I was asking to what degree, if any, roiding up would change my bones. Not sure when I said that I thought my face would turn into ConfusedBolivian's.

It does but it all depends on your base. If you're some 5'4 indio then it won't do jack shit. HGH promotes water retention and some bone growth if done before puberty finishes. Pic related is on entire pharmacy and still doesn't look very robust facially.

 

[Saint Casanova]

It does but it all depends on your base. If you're some 5'4 indio then it won't do jack shit. HGH promotes water retention and some bone growth if done before puberty finishes. Pic related is on entire pharmacy and still doesn't look very robust facially.
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Tristan is 5’1

 

[Saint Casanova]

I read Clavicular's and ConfusedBolivian's threads about increases in male-biased dimporhism when on anabolics, especially DHT derivatives. If I theoretically used stacked masteronor primo with test at 16, could this help masculinize my face? If so, then to what degree?

Much better off using roids solely for body improvements.

 

[Deleted member 23558]

If you think roids will turn your face into @ConfusedBolivian one then you're a dead wrong.

is that that african principal reference?

 

[PickleTheSlayer]

you're gonna grow the undesirable parts of your face on gear as well plus nuke your skin and hairline, roid for your body not your face lmao

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

Too much of a bitch to do steroids. Ngl I hate needles and the thought of needing to take so much other shit to mitigate the risks of gear. It’s not worth it unless you want to compete or really need an ascension.

 

[Asymmetrycel]

It does but it all depends on your base. If you're some 5'4 indio then it won't do jack shit. HGH promotes water retention and some bone growth if done before puberty finishes. Pic related is on entire pharmacy and still doesn't look very robust facially.
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It does but it all depends on your base. If you're some 5'4 indio then it won't do jack shit. HGH promotes water retention and some bone growth if done before puberty finishes. Pic related is on entire pharmacy and still doesn't look very robust facially.
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Mainly need it for bone growth as you said. I would say I have a decent base. You think HGH would do the same thing as DHT for dimorphism? I have a 404 brow ridge and short ramus.

 

[FrenchChad]

DHT have little impact on facial bone growth compared to testosterone/e2 (and hgh/igf-1 obviously).

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

The two guys on the left have 0 DHT (literally) and they still have a normal bone structure and an identical height, bone density and skeletal mass to their healthy siblings, it have a higher binding affinity to the androgen receptor but it doesn't cause the same physiological response.
The pubertal growth spurt (for men) is also induced by testosterone and not DHT.

Also 5AR is not very active in bone tissues and DHT is mainly a paracrine hormone (i.e it acts where it's produced while testosterone acts on the whole body despite being produced in the testes).

 

[piec]

DHT have little impact on facial bone growth compared to testosterone/e2 (and hgh/igf-1 obviously).

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

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The two guys on the left have 0 DHT (literally) and they still have a normal bone structure and an identical height, bone density and skeletal mass to their healthy siblings, it have a higher binding affinity to the androgen receptor but it doesn't cause the same physiological response.
The pubertal growth spurt (for men) is also induced by testosterone and not DHT.

Also 5AR is not very active in bone tissues and DHT is mainly a paracrine hormone (i.e it acts where it's produced while testosterone acts on the whole body despite being produced in the testes).

yeah but that is in the physiological amounts it exists naturally, also when supplemented dht is no longer paracrine. this guy is talking about roiding

 

[FrenchChad]

yeah but that is in the physiological amounts it exists naturally, also when supplemented dht is no longer paracrine. this guy is talking about roiding

Which doesn't change the physiological response of bone tissues to DHT, 0 DHT doesn't even affect bone density while a lack of T/E2 does.

Even with supraphysiological amounts of DHT it won't induce facial bone growth to a comparable extent as testosterone.

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

I read Clavicular's and ConfusedBolivian's threads about increases in male-biased dimporhism when on anabolics, especially DHT derivatives. If I theoretically used stacked masteronor primo with test at 16, could this help masculinize my face? If so, then to what degree?

Anadrol, masteron or EQ are the best for dimorphism coupled with testosterone

 

[MA_ascender]

Anadrol, masteron or EQ are the best for dimorphism coupled with testosterone

Is bold as good as mast for dimorphism?

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

Is bold as good as mast for dimorphism?

Yes

 

[glaruz]

You are gonna fuck up your hair if you have the balding gene so heads up. Losing your hair at that age is death.

 

[MA_ascender]

Good info would you mind it if I sent you a message a bit later when I'll roid?

 

[Asymmetrycel]

Anadrol, masteron or EQ are the best for dimorphism coupled with testosterone

Got it. What about primo?

 

[timid]

I read Clavicular's and ConfusedBolivian's threads about increases in male-biased dimporhism when on anabolics, especially DHT derivatives. If I theoretically used stacked masteronor primo with test at 16, could this help masculinize my face? If so, then to what degree?

Pin at 20 to stop your growth plates from closing to early, and take HGH for face masculinization.

Mark solution please - tick button

 

[Allornothing]

Even if you injected an ocean of testosterone directly into your jaw it wouldn’t grow a nanometre.

 

[Asymmetrycel]

Pin at 20 to stop your growth plates from closing to early, and take HGH for face masculinization.

Mark solution please - tick button

Cope, I'll just use an AI

 

[timid]

Cope, I'll just use an AI

Ok Boyo can you just mark solution

 

[Asymmetrycel]

Ok Boyo can you just mark solution

Why? I'm new to the forum

 

[timid]

Why? I'm new to the forum

cause I have you solution brah!!!! Mark it solution!!!

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

Got it. What about primo?

Primo is not a good steroid for dimorphism

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

Even if you injected an ocean of testosterone directly into your jaw it wouldn’t grow a nanometre.

You need to couple bonesmashing with steroids

 

[Asymmetrycel]

Primo is not a good steroid for dimorphism

Thought maybe it would be because its a DHT derivitave iirc. Would you recommend mast prop over a longer ester like mast e?

 

[DR. NICKGA]

DHT have little impact on facial bone growth compared to testosterone/e2 (and hgh/igf-1 obviously).

5α-reductase-2 Deficiency’s Effect on Human Fertility

A most interesting and intriguing male disorder of sexual differentiation is due to 5α-reductase-2 isoenzyme deficiency. These males are born with ambiguous external genitalia due to a deficiency in their ability to catalyze the conversion of ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

5-Alpha-Reductase Deficiency - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

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The two guys on the left have 0 DHT (literally) and they still have a normal bone structure and an identical height, bone density and skeletal mass to their healthy siblings, it have a higher binding affinity to the androgen receptor but it doesn't cause the same physiological response.
The pubertal growth spurt (for men) is also induced by testosterone and not DHT.

Also 5AR is not very active in bone tissues and DHT is mainly a paracrine hormone (i.e it acts where it's produced while testosterone acts on the whole body despite being produced in the testes).

#idiot

He asked DHT derivatives + injecting dht will have a good androgenetic EFFECT

Also look at that study better

 

[DR. NICKGA]

You are gonna fuck up your hair if you have the balding gene so heads up. Losing your hair at that age is death.

Its scalp dht what MATTERS!! Not serum dht

Stupid asshole , now shut the fuck

 

[DR. NICKGA]

cause I have you solution brah!!!! Mark it solution!!!

Stupid fuck

 

[ConfusedBolivian]

Thought maybe it would be because its a DHT derivitave iirc. Would you recommend mast prop over a longer ester like mast e?

Mast e better, primo is used by females how can it be androgenic? Anavar and primo are the least androgenic

 

[Asymmetrycel]

Mast e better, primo is used by females how can it be androgenic? Anavar and primo are the least androgenic

IDK must have gotten mixed up. Gonna do some more research then post a higher quality thread outlining my dosages, PCT, diet, and split.

 

[glaruz]

Its scalp dht what MATTERS!! Not serum dht

Stupid asshole , now shut the fuck

You are gonna increase scalp dht too you dumbfuck

 

[FrenchChad]

#idiot

He asked DHT derivatives + injecting dht will have a good androgenetic EFFECT

Also look at that study better

Speak for yourself.
He asked if DHT derivatives would masculinize his face and change his facial bones and the answer is mostly no, it might increase his body and facial hair though and have a mild impact on height velocity but that's it (+ dick if his is still growing) + the studies clearly show that males without 5AR are normal except for their dick development and often a lack of body hair.
DHT have a limited role on facial bone growth compared to testosterone and estradiol and doesn't elicit the same physiological response despite its higher binding affinity.