DIY orthodontics for overbite

[titlefought]

Have been doing some DIY malocclusion correction at home for a couple years now, I initially created my own appliance to position my jaw forward and transitioned into rubber bands once my overbite was mostly resolved. My jaw originally looked extremely recessed and although its still far from perfect, the improvement has been immense. Based on my rate of progression I'll probably stop in a couple months, as I'm already pretty satisfied with the outcome. As a result of all this, my lower lip posture ameliorated mostly on its own with little effort required on my part. This honestly had as much of an impact as my jaw development because I was unintentionally sucking in my bottom lip a lot and it looked very strange lol. Sorry for weird punctuation, I'm moderately retarded.

 

[Dio Brando]

Have been doing some DIY malocclusion correction at home for a couple years now, I initially created my own appliance to position my jaw forward and transitioned into rubber bands once my overbite was mostly resolved. My jaw originally looked extremely recessed and although its still far from perfect, the improvement has been immense. Based on my rate of progression I'll probably stop in a couple months, as I'm already pretty satisfied with the outcome. As a result of all this, my lower lip posture ameliorated mostly on its own with little effort required on my part. This honestly had as much of an impact as my jaw development because I was unintentionally sucking in my bottom lip a lot and it looked very strange lol. Sorry for weird punctuation, I'm moderately retarded.

Pictures?

 

[bpgonnakillme]

Have been doing some DIY malocclusion correction at home for a couple years now, I initially created my own appliance to position my jaw forward and transitioned into rubber bands once my overbite was mostly resolved. My jaw originally looked extremely recessed and although its still far from perfect, the improvement has been immense. Based on my rate of progression I'll probably stop in a couple months, as I'm already pretty satisfied with the outcome. As a result of all this, my lower lip posture ameliorated mostly on its own with little effort required on my part. This honestly had as much of an impact as my jaw development because I was unintentionally sucking in my bottom lip a lot and it looked very strange lol. Sorry for weird punctuation, I'm moderately retarded.

How do u able to make that device??

 

[titlefought]

How do u able to make that device??

I made several versions over the years, most were somewhat traditional Herbst appliances, although twin block is much more prudent and way easer to not fuck up. If you have access to an orthodontist that's the best route, chances are you'll mess up you're jaw doing this so unless you're super confident for some reason I wouldn't risk it. If your underbite isn't severe you can likely get away with just retainers and rubber bands which is significantly safer, so unless you're extremely recessed thats what I would recommend.

That being said here's my step by step (for Herbst), first create an impression of the teeth preferably using Alginate or PVS and fit bands/crowns (which one is more optimal is situational but I can lay out the pros and cons for both if you want) on the upper and lower first molars. Be extremely cautious in making sure they're properly fitted so the appliance is stable. Once they are cemented to your teeth attach a tube to the top teeth and a rod to the bottom teeth. Take the rod and connect it to the lower band using the cantilever arm. The cantilever arm acts as a lever, holding the rod in the right spot while letting the jaw slide open and closed. The rod slides into the tube like a drawer sliding into its slot. This is what keeps the bottom jaw forward when the mouth is closed. Place the rod and tube onto the bands, again be abundantly cautious making sure they are even on both sides. When the jaw opens and closes, the rod slides in the tube. The jaw can still move naturally, but it stays in the right position when biting which will help the jaw grow forward over time. Make sure you test your jaw movement and ensure it feels right, it's normal to feel somewhat uncomfortable at first but its important to make sure your bite is even.

Pretty much all of this stuff is fairly easy to purchase online, just make sure your source is reliable. Keep in mind that it's important to start this process early as the returns will diminish the older you get, if you're 16 or above (as a male, its different for females obviously) you probably won't get much benefit although it does vary case by case. The Herbst appliance is the most effective if your bite issues are severe but I cannot overstate how careful you need to be with this method, the only reason I did this is because I'm autistic and retarded. If you can go to an orthodontist thats what you should do, especially if this is the method you plan on using.

Twin Block is more optimal (although still riskier to do yourself then retainers and rubber bands) to do yourself and can also be used after Herbst if your bite is mostly corrected and you just want to fine tune with something that's removable. If your overbite is perhaps too severe to be corrected with retainers and rubber bands but perhaps not bad enough to require a Herbst appliance (or you don't want to wear one for whatever reason) both removable and permanent Twin Block appliances can be good options. Removable Twin Blocks are fitted, whereas permanent ones are cemented.

To set up the Twin Block, start by placing the two plates on the top and bottom teeth. These plates are usually made of hard plastic and act like a mouthguard for the appliance. Each plate has bite blocks, which are ramp shaped pieces that meet when the jaw closes, guiding the lower jaw forward while still allowing it to open naturally. Some plates can also have thin metal wires called clasps to hold them in place. To install it, first make sure the plates fit properly on the teeth, the fit should be very snug. If you're doing the permeant ones then they need to be cemented. You can test it by opening and closing the jaw a few times so the bite blocks meet, this is what moves the lower jaw forward to see how it slides along the ramps.

If you want info on retainers, which are probably the safest overall, I can do that aswell. For the record, I started with a traditional Herbst appliance and used that to fix the bulk of my issues, I eventually switched to twin block due to wanting something detatchable. Following this I just did retainers with rubber bands and thats currently ongoing. Lmk if you have any questions, sorry if the punctuation is odd.

 

[titlefought]

Pictures?

I didn't take progress pictures lol. I'll find some that you can see my side profile somewhat clearly in but I don't really take pictures of myself.

 

[titlefought]

Pictures?

Just realized you can't really delete posts on here so idk about posting my face, I can send them to you if that works. For the record the most recent picture I have is a few months old, I'm pretty sure I had just switched to retainers. They're all at sorta weird angles because they were all either screenshotted from videos or taken without me knowing so its a little hard to gage the exact progress I made. That being said its still very evident and easy to see because my jaw was extremely recessed. I'm still not exactly where I want to be yet but I'm almost there, in the most current picture I can show you, however, I'm still kind of recessed but its still miles better then before.

 

[Dio Brando]

Just realized you can't really delete posts on here so idk about posting my face, I can send them to you if that works. For the record the most recent picture I have is a few months old, I'm pretty sure I had just switched to retainers. They're all at sorta weird angles because they were all either screenshotted from videos or taken without me knowing so its a little hard to gage the exact progress I made. That being said its still very evident and easy to see because my jaw was extremely recessed. I'm still not exactly where I want to be yet but I'm almost there, in the most current picture I can show you, however, I'm still kind of recessed but its still miles better then before.

I meant of the device but face would be appreciated also you can use imgur to upload then delete from there.
Also dm me

 

[titlefought]

I meant of the device but face would be appreciated also you can use imgur to upload then delete from there.
Also dm me

Thanks, I didn't know that. The device is pretty much the exact same as any traditional Herbst appliance with tubes and rods. Some may have ball and socket joints, telescoping mechanisms, or screw based hinges but I think tubes and rods are most common. I can try to find a picture of mine I think I took one at some point but idk. Tbf it looks pretty much the same as anything you would see on google because I bought the parts online. I considered trying to DIY those too but I'm lazy and realized I was being retarded. Which device were you asking about specifically the Herbst or Twin Block?

 

[titlefought]

I meant of the device but face would be appreciated also you can use imgur to upload then delete from there.
Also dm me

idk how to DM actually, new to the site

 

[Dio Brando]

idk how to DM actually, new to the site

It’s chill I’ll dm you.
Also for future click on a profile and it’s like create conversation r sum

 

[Dio Brando]

Thanks, I didn't know that. The device is pretty much the exact same as any traditional Herbst appliance with tubes and rods. Some may have ball and socket joints, telescoping mechanisms, or screw based hinges but I think tubes and rods are most common. I can try to find a picture of mine I think I took one at some point but idk. Tbf it looks pretty much the same as anything you would see on google because I bought the parts online. I considered trying to DIY those too but I'm lazy and realized I was being retarded. Which device were you asking about specifically the Herbst or Twin Block?

Both would be good

 

[Dio Brando]

I made several versions over the years, most were somewhat traditional Herbst appliances, although twin block is much more prudent and way easer to not fuck up. If you have access to an orthodontist that's the best route, chances are you'll mess up you're jaw doing this so unless you're super confident for some reason I wouldn't risk it. If your underbite isn't severe you can likely get away with just retainers and rubber bands which is significantly safer, so unless you're extremely recessed thats what I would recommend.

That being said here's my step by step (for Herbst), first create an impression of the teeth preferably using Alginate or PVS and fit bands/crowns (which one is more optimal is situational but I can lay out the pros and cons for both if you want) on the upper and lower first molars. Be extremely cautious in making sure they're properly fitted so the appliance is stable. Once they are cemented to your teeth attach a tube to the top teeth and a rod to the bottom teeth. Take the rod and connect it to the lower band using the cantilever arm. The cantilever arm acts as a lever, holding the rod in the right spot while letting the jaw slide open and closed. The rod slides into the tube like a drawer sliding into its slot. This is what keeps the bottom jaw forward when the mouth is closed. Place the rod and tube onto the bands, again be abundantly cautious making sure they are even on both sides. When the jaw opens and closes, the rod slides in the tube. The jaw can still move naturally, but it stays in the right position when biting which will help the jaw grow forward over time. Make sure you test your jaw movement and ensure it feels right, it's normal to feel somewhat uncomfortable at first but its important to make sure your bite is even.

Pretty much all of this stuff is fairly easy to purchase online, just make sure your source is reliable. Keep in mind that it's important to start this process early as the returns will diminish the older you get, if you're 16 or above (as a male, its different for females obviously) you probably won't get much benefit although it does vary case by case. The Herbst appliance is the most effective if your bite issues are severe but I cannot overstate how careful you need to be with this method, the only reason I did this is because I'm autistic and retarded. If you can go to an orthodontist thats what you should do, especially if this is the method you plan on using.

Twin Block is more optimal (although still riskier to do yourself then retainers and rubber bands) to do yourself and can also be used after Herbst if your bite is mostly corrected and you just want to fine tune with something that's removable. If your overbite is perhaps too severe to be corrected with retainers and rubber bands but perhaps not bad enough to require a Herbst appliance (or you don't want to wear one for whatever reason) both removable and permanent Twin Block appliances can be good options. Removable Twin Blocks are fitted, whereas permanent ones are cemented.

To set up the Twin Block, start by placing the two plates on the top and bottom teeth. These plates are usually made of hard plastic and act like a mouthguard for the appliance. Each plate has bite blocks, which are ramp shaped pieces that meet when the jaw closes, guiding the lower jaw forward while still allowing it to open naturally. Some plates can also have thin metal wires called clasps to hold them in place. To install it, first make sure the plates fit properly on the teeth, the fit should be very snug. If you're doing the permeant ones then they need to be cemented. You can test it by opening and closing the jaw a few times so the bite blocks meet, this is what moves the lower jaw forward to see how it slides along the ramps.

If you want info on retainers, which are probably the safest overall, I can do that aswell. For the record, I started with a traditional Herbst appliance and used that to fix the bulk of my issues, I eventually switched to twin block due to wanting something detatchable. Following this I just did retainers with rubber bands and thats currently ongoing. Lmk if you have any questions, sorry if the punctuation is odd.

Thanks for this

 

[fredbones123]

I made several versions over the years, most were somewhat traditional Herbst appliances, although twin block is much more prudent and way easer to not fuck up. If you have access to an orthodontist that's the best route, chances are you'll mess up you're jaw doing this so unless you're super confident for some reason I wouldn't risk it. If your underbite isn't severe you can likely get away with just retainers and rubber bands which is significantly safer, so unless you're extremely recessed thats what I would recommend.

That being said here's my step by step (for Herbst), first create an impression of the teeth preferably using Alginate or PVS and fit bands/crowns (which one is more optimal is situational but I can lay out the pros and cons for both if you want) on the upper and lower first molars. Be extremely cautious in making sure they're properly fitted so the appliance is stable. Once they are cemented to your teeth attach a tube to the top teeth and a rod to the bottom teeth. Take the rod and connect it to the lower band using the cantilever arm. The cantilever arm acts as a lever, holding the rod in the right spot while letting the jaw slide open and closed. The rod slides into the tube like a drawer sliding into its slot. This is what keeps the bottom jaw forward when the mouth is closed. Place the rod and tube onto the bands, again be abundantly cautious making sure they are even on both sides. When the jaw opens and closes, the rod slides in the tube. The jaw can still move naturally, but it stays in the right position when biting which will help the jaw grow forward over time. Make sure you test your jaw movement and ensure it feels right, it's normal to feel somewhat uncomfortable at first but its important to make sure your bite is even.

Pretty much all of this stuff is fairly easy to purchase online, just make sure your source is reliable. Keep in mind that it's important to start this process early as the returns will diminish the older you get, if you're 16 or above (as a male, its different for females obviously) you probably won't get much benefit although it does vary case by case. The Herbst appliance is the most effective if your bite issues are severe but I cannot overstate how careful you need to be with this method, the only reason I did this is because I'm autistic and retarded. If you can go to an orthodontist thats what you should do, especially if this is the method you plan on using.

Twin Block is more optimal (although still riskier to do yourself then retainers and rubber bands) to do yourself and can also be used after Herbst if your bite is mostly corrected and you just want to fine tune with something that's removable. If your overbite is perhaps too severe to be corrected with retainers and rubber bands but perhaps not bad enough to require a Herbst appliance (or you don't want to wear one for whatever reason) both removable and permanent Twin Block appliances can be good options. Removable Twin Blocks are fitted, whereas permanent ones are cemented.

To set up the Twin Block, start by placing the two plates on the top and bottom teeth. These plates are usually made of hard plastic and act like a mouthguard for the appliance. Each plate has bite blocks, which are ramp shaped pieces that meet when the jaw closes, guiding the lower jaw forward while still allowing it to open naturally. Some plates can also have thin metal wires called clasps to hold them in place. To install it, first make sure the plates fit properly on the teeth, the fit should be very snug. If you're doing the permeant ones then they need to be cemented. You can test it by opening and closing the jaw a few times so the bite blocks meet, this is what moves the lower jaw forward to see how it slides along the ramps.

If you want info on retainers, which are probably the safest overall, I can do that aswell. For the record, I started with a traditional Herbst appliance and used that to fix the bulk of my issues, I eventually switched to twin block due to wanting something detatchable. Following this I just did retainers with rubber bands and thats currently ongoing. Lmk if you have any questions, sorry if the punctuation is odd.

Yo bro great info could you pm me as i’d like to talk more about sourcing and production of the herbst.

 

[titlefought]

Yo bro great info could you pm me as i’d like to talk more about sourcing and production of the herbst.

yeah for sure

 

[truerecessedcel]

What are your thoughts on DIY twin block where the top piece is also an expander?

 

[titlefought]

What are your thoughts on DIY twin block where the top piece is also an expander?

should've done it when I was doing twin block, am gonna do an expander now anyway

 

[truerecessedcel]

should've done it when I was doing twin block, am gonna do an expander now anyway

Removable expander? Because im pretty sure that doesnt really bring about skeletal change.

 

[Ræta]

I made several versions over the years, most were somewhat traditional Herbst appliances, although twin block is much more prudent and way easer to not fuck up. If you have access to an orthodontist that's the best route, chances are you'll mess up you're jaw doing this so unless you're super confident for some reason I wouldn't risk it. If your underbite isn't severe you can likely get away with just retainers and rubber bands which is significantly safer, so unless you're extremely recessed thats what I would recommend.

That being said here's my step by step (for Herbst), first create an impression of the teeth preferably using Alginate or PVS and fit bands/crowns (which one is more optimal is situational but I can lay out the pros and cons for both if you want) on the upper and lower first molars. Be extremely cautious in making sure they're properly fitted so the appliance is stable. Once they are cemented to your teeth attach a tube to the top teeth and a rod to the bottom teeth. Take the rod and connect it to the lower band using the cantilever arm. The cantilever arm acts as a lever, holding the rod in the right spot while letting the jaw slide open and closed. The rod slides into the tube like a drawer sliding into its slot. This is what keeps the bottom jaw forward when the mouth is closed. Place the rod and tube onto the bands, again be abundantly cautious making sure they are even on both sides. When the jaw opens and closes, the rod slides in the tube. The jaw can still move naturally, but it stays in the right position when biting which will help the jaw grow forward over time. Make sure you test your jaw movement and ensure it feels right, it's normal to feel somewhat uncomfortable at first but its important to make sure your bite is even.

Pretty much all of this stuff is fairly easy to purchase online, just make sure your source is reliable. Keep in mind that it's important to start this process early as the returns will diminish the older you get, if you're 16 or above (as a male, its different for females obviously) you probably won't get much benefit although it does vary case by case. The Herbst appliance is the most effective if your bite issues are severe but I cannot overstate how careful you need to be with this method, the only reason I did this is because I'm autistic and retarded. If you can go to an orthodontist thats what you should do, especially if this is the method you plan on using.

Twin Block is more optimal (although still riskier to do yourself then retainers and rubber bands) to do yourself and can also be used after Herbst if your bite is mostly corrected and you just want to fine tune with something that's removable. If your overbite is perhaps too severe to be corrected with retainers and rubber bands but perhaps not bad enough to require a Herbst appliance (or you don't want to wear one for whatever reason) both removable and permanent Twin Block appliances can be good options. Removable Twin Blocks are fitted, whereas permanent ones are cemented.

To set up the Twin Block, start by placing the two plates on the top and bottom teeth. These plates are usually made of hard plastic and act like a mouthguard for the appliance. Each plate has bite blocks, which are ramp shaped pieces that meet when the jaw closes, guiding the lower jaw forward while still allowing it to open naturally. Some plates can also have thin metal wires called clasps to hold them in place. To install it, first make sure the plates fit properly on the teeth, the fit should be very snug. If you're doing the permeant ones then they need to be cemented. You can test it by opening and closing the jaw a few times so the bite blocks meet, this is what moves the lower jaw forward to see how it slides along the ramps.

If you want info on retainers, which are probably the safest overall, I can do that aswell. For the record, I started with a traditional Herbst appliance and used that to fix the bulk of my issues, I eventually switched to twin block due to wanting something detatchable. Following this I just did retainers with rubber bands and thats currently ongoing. Lmk if you have any questions, sorry if the punctuation is odd.

Mirin, I know someone who has Herbst appliances, but after some time, his mandible began to recede again even while wearing them. His overbite started to return. Do you know how to fix this or encourage proper alignment between the upper and lower teeth again, like when he first got them done?

 

[Ræta]

should've done it when I was doing twin block, am gonna do an expander now anyway

highly innovative

 

[titlefought]

Removable expander? Because im pretty sure that doesnt really bring about skeletal change.

just depends on how well you wear it, twin block with an expander can be removable or permanant, you only really need to take it out to clean it

 

[titlefought]

Mirin, I know someone who has Herbst appliances, but after some time, his mandible began to recede again even while wearing them. His overbite started to return. Do you know how to fix this or encourage proper alignment between the upper and lower teeth again, like when he first got them done?

It could be that initial adjustment was done wrong or the ortho somehow fucked up along the way but it's more likely just caused by uncorrected bad habits or underlying unfavorable growth patterns (e.g., hyperdivergent mandibles). Relapse of the lower incisors, or suboptimal cuspal interdigitation could definitely contribute as well. It usually is just a matter of correcting bad habbits though, idk anything abt his history but thats almost always what it is. If his ortho is half decent he should just bring up his concerns and they should be able to troubleshoot. Sometimes they really aren't though lol, before doing DIY I tried to get an herbst but the ortho did it so wrong he seperated my gums from my molars??? It was uneven anyway, gave up tryna work with him after 3 months.