DNA dudes, I require your opinion

[Gengar]

Would a DNA test shed light on my family’s history? As far as I know, it just assigns loose regions to you based off of haplogroups you share with certain population groups where these haplogroups are dominant and it does not necessarily mean you are related to them. My family's origins is clouded in mystery. One side claims one thing; the other side claims another.. it's a convoluted mess. For the longest of time, we had no history of migration either, until one side did some research and found out we most likely did have a migration history but it could also be a false conclusion since other tribes I have no relation to make the same claim. I don't want to go around "WE WUZ"ing so it's best to get science involved, as soy as that sounds.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

youre indian so all a dna test will do is tell you youre 100% curry
waste of money imo

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

My family's origins is clouded in mystery.

This sentence made me laugh for some reason.

Let's hope you're an R1b slayer Mr. Cel.

 

[Gengar]

youre indian so all a dna test will do is tell you youre 100% curry
waste of money imo

Saw this comment coming, was about to do an "inb4" but of course a graycel faggot has to be gay and stuff in a srs thread.

 

[Gengar]

This sentence made me laugh for some reason.

I was reading on some history and some Indians called Gujjar/Gujar claim(ed) ancestry from Gorjistan (your country).

 

[Bashan]

You're a direct descendant of Porus.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

Saw this comment coming, was about to do an "inb4" but of course a graycel faggot has to be gay and stuff in a srs thread.

im being serious, whats the point in wasting like 100 usd on an unnaccurate saliva test that will tell you something you already know
best to go through old documents to find your family origins

 

[Gengar]

You're a direct descendant of Porus.

Based.

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

Indians called Gujjar/Gujar claim(ed) ancestry from Gorjistan (your country).

Our most famous and beloved character in our 2000 year long history of literature is an Indian crown Prince, by the way (Arabia, India, and Khwarazm represent Georgia in ვეფხისტყაოსანი, but still).

I don't know about Gujjar. I'll investigate.

 

[Gengar]

im being serious, whats the point in wasting like 100 usd on an unnaccurate saliva test that will tell you something you already know
best to go through old documents to find your family origins

You got a point there, that was the same reason I decided not to get one. But apparently you can use the raw data if you know how to work with that (I genuinely don't but one can always learn) which could shed light. I said in the OP that one side of my family did that but it wasn't specific to a city but rather a large region and that still leaves the other half of the family without any information. I'm Pakistani by the way but I do LARP as Indian (as part of the recent revelation regarding migration history, but at the same time it's kind of a joke as well).

 

[Gengar]

Our most famous and beloved character in our 2000 year long history of literature is an Indian crown Prince, by the way (Arabia, India, and Khwarazm represent Georgia in ვეფხისტყაოსანი, but still).

I don't know about Gujjar. I'll investigate.

I thought they were just being "WE WUZ YUURO-PENIS" but you seriously have ties to South Asia? WTF.

 

[Gengar]

You're a direct descendant of Porus.

By the way, Porus did, in fact, rule the area where my family is from... so it's not even a full-on joke.

 

[Deleted member 25667]

But apparently you can use the raw data if you know how to work with that

gedmatch is probably the best site for that, its free and compares your 23andme/ancestry whatever test to various modern and historic sub populations

 

[Gengar]

gedmatch is probably the best site for that, its free and compares your 23andme/ancestry whatever test to various modern and historic sub populations

Thanks, I have heard that, will check it out after I give the Jews $100 and some spit.

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

I thought they were just being "WE WUZ YUURO-PENIS" but you seriously have ties to South Asia? WTF.

Yeah, we are a part of the old world, after all.
Something something a guest is a gift from God, etc.

 

[Gengar]

Our most famous and beloved character in our 2000 year long history of literature is an Indian crown Prince, by the way (Arabia, India, and Khwarazm represent Georgia in ვეფხისტყაოსანი, but still).

I don't know about Gujjar. I'll investigate.

Oral traditions of the tribe and some archaeological evidence (particularly cultural and phonetic) suggest that the word Gujar is a derivation of Gurjara and sounds like "Gurjiya/Georgia " (Gurjiya or Gurjistan being the Persian name for Georgia)- indicating that the Gujar tribe is partially of Caucasian/Central Asian origin (Georgia-Chechnya etc).

I was in a Panjabi ethno-nationalist discord group and when I said I was Rajput they said I was really just Gujar and should accept my history (I don't believe it though) so maybe you and I are really bhais after all.

 

[LiteralCaucasian]

you and I are really bhais after all.

Always have been

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Would a DNA test shed light on my family’s history? As far as I know, it just assigns loose regions to you based off of haplogroups you share with certain population groups where these haplogroups are dominant and it does not necessarily mean you are related to them. My family's origins is clouded in mystery. One side claims one thing; the other side claims another.. it's a convoluted mess. For the longest of time, we had no history of migration either, until one side did some research and found out we most likely did have a migration history but it could also be a false conclusion since other tribes I have no relation to make the same claim. I don't want to go around "WE WUZ"ing so it's best to get science involved, as soy as that sounds.

dna tests arent based on haplogroups, theyre based on autosomal dna
knowing how diverse the genetics of pakistan can be, you can prob narrow down a region with a dna test. but you'd need to use 3rd party services to analyze your dna file, like gedmatch

 

[Gengar]

Always have been

Bhais in every aspect.

 

[Gengar]

dna tests arent based on haplogroups, theyre based on autosomal dna
knowing how diverse the genetics of pakistan can be, you can prob narrow down a region with a dna test. but you'd need to use 3rd party services to analyze your dna file, like gedmatch

I don't know why the soyfags over at r/23andme claimed the haplogroup stuff then. They basically said "if you get X region, it doesn't mean you are actually from there, it just means you share DNA with people who took their tests as well and many of those people live there" (when some people asked why they got certain regions despite no heritage claims). I was going to go with 23andme due to them giving haplogroups but might as well just go with AncestryDNA since it's cheaper and their raw data is usable to. Have you done one?

 

[Deleted member 13787]

I don't know why the soyfags over at r/23andme claimed the haplogroup stuff then. They basically said "if you get X region, it doesn't mean you are actually from there, it just means you share DNA with people who took their tests as well and many of those people live there" (when some people asked why they got certain regions despite no heritage claims). I was going to go with 23andme due to them giving haplogroups but might as well just go with AncestryDNA since it's cheaper and their raw data is usable to. Have you done one?

The haplogroups can be used to trace back ancestry thousands of years. For instance if you have R1a or R1b youre guaranteed to descend from steppe people
or if you have I1 or I2 you descend from european hunter gatherers, who later became farmers
We know which populations they appeared in and where they migrated based on dna tests of remains
The difference between 23andme, ancestry and myheritage, is that 23andme will give you a maternal haplogroup. Even myheritage and ancestry test for Ydna, they simply dont give you a result on their site. You can use 3rd party services to find you paternal haplogroup from those two tests
23andme actually tests for the least amount of snps - myheritage tests for more and ancestry tests for the most
the only reason to get 23andme is if you care too much about your mtdna, which isnt as researched as Ydna

 

[Bashan]

The haplogroups can be used to trace back ancestry thousands of years. For instance if you have R1a or R1b youre guaranteed to descend from steppe people
or if you have I1 or I2 you descend from european hunter gatherers, who later became farmers
We know which populations they appeared in and where they migrated based on dna tests of remains
The difference between 23andme, ancestry and myheritage, is that 23andme will give you a maternal haplogroup. Even myheritage and ancestry test for Ydna, they simply dont give you a result on their site. You can use 3rd party services to find you paternal haplogroup from those two tests
23andme actually tests for the least amount of snps - myheritage tests for more and ancestry tests for the most
the only reason to get 23andme is if you care too much about your mtdna, which isnt as researched as Ydna

dn read

 

[Gengar]

The haplogroups can be used to trace back ancestry thousands of years. For instance if you have R1a or R1b youre guaranteed to descend from steppe people
or if you have I1 or I2 you descend from european hunter gatherers, who later became farmers
We know which populations they appeared in and where they migrated based on dna tests of remains
The difference between 23andme, ancestry and myheritage, is that 23andme will give you a maternal haplogroup. Even myheritage and ancestry test for Ydna, they simply dont give you a result on their site. You can use 3rd party services to find you paternal haplogroup from those two tests
23andme actually tests for the least amount of snps - myheritage tests for more and ancestry tests for the most
the only reason to get 23andme is if you care too much about your mtdna, which isnt as researched as Ydna

I assume to have R1a/b ancestry due to many people in Pakistani Panjab having this. I haven't heard from Pakistanis getting I1/2 ancestry based on whatever I saw. Anyway so it's still possible to find out paternal haplogroup by using third party services, that's interesting.. Personally I'd like to find out about both maternal and paternal since I am interested in both sides' ancestry since one side claims one thing (paternal) and the other one doesn't claim anything (maternal) so that's why. But I also heard that if you want to do PCA plots (which is what I want to do) you need to go with AncestryDNA because it's more accurate; I guess it's because it tests for most amount of SNPs?

 

[Deleted member 13787]

I assume to have R1a/b ancestry due to many people in Pakistani Panjab having this. I haven't heard from Pakistanis getting I1/2 ancestry based on whatever I saw. Anyway so it's still possible to find out paternal haplogroup by using third party services, that's interesting.. Personally I'd like to find out about both maternal and paternal since I am interested in both sides' ancestry since one side claims one thing (paternal) and the other one doesn't claim anything (maternal) so that's why. But I also heard that if you want to do PCA plots (which is what I want to do) you need to go with AncestryDNA because it's more accurate; I guess it's because it tests for most amount of SNPs?

You wont get any recent information about maternal ancestry with your avg 23andme dna test. You will get a rough idea of the origins of it thousands of years ago, but probably nothing recent. If you truly want to use your mtdna to determine recent ancestry, you will have to spend a lot of money on a haplogroup test that fully analyzes a ton of STR markers
Thats essentially testing more, so you can narrow down the specifics of your dna. Because otherwise, with an avg 23andme test, you will share mtdna with people you likely dont have anything to do with , since you will never know a specific clade.
And i dont even know of companies that do these tests for mtdna, FTdna's Big Y-700 test is for Ydna only, they have no female equivalent

 

[Bashan]

You wont get any recent information about maternal ancestry with your avg 23andme dna test. You will get a rough idea of the origins of it thousands of years ago, but probably nothing recent. If you truly want to use your mtdna to determine recent ancestry, you will have to spend a lot of money on a haplogroup test that fully analyzes a ton of STR markers
Thats essentially testing more, so you can narrow down the specifics of your dna. Because otherwise, with an avg 23andme test, you will share mtdna with people you likely dont have anything to do with , since you will never know a specific clade.
And i dont even know of companies that do these tests for mtdna, FTdna's Big Y-700 test is for Ydna only, they have no female equivalent

Read. Good read.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

Hallstat Nordic slayer no doubt

 

[Gengar]

You wont get any recent information about maternal ancestry with your avg 23andme dna test. You will get a rough idea of the origins of it thousands of years ago, but probably nothing recent. If you truly want to use your mtdna to determine recent ancestry, you will have to spend a lot of money on a haplogroup test that fully analyzes a ton of STR markers
Thats essentially testing more, so you can narrow down the specifics of your dna. Because otherwise, with an avg 23andme test, you will share mtdna with people you likely dont have anything to do with , since you will never know a specific clade.
And i dont even know of companies that do these tests for mtdna, FTdna's Big Y-700 test is for Ydna only, they have no female equivalent

Brutal, so it doesn't matter if I go with 23andme or AncestryDNA. In that case I'd just go with AncestryDNA. I'm broke af right now so I can't spend a lot of money on haplogroup testing that way to look at recent ancestry. Also wtf I just looked, $449. And processing takes 6 weeks to 10 weeks. I'm a poorcel.

 

[Deleted member 24586]

youre indian so all a dna test will do is tell you youre 100% curry
waste of money imo

>joined yesterday

Kys GrAYcel

 

[Gengar]

>joined yesterday

Kys GrAYcel

It's fine bhai, they took the thread srsly afterwards. Also I think I threw 'em off track by having this avi and my location set as India.

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

Best autosomal dna test for non Europeans is FTDNA, for haplogroup its FTDNA

As of matches either myheritage or 23andme

Your results are expected to be mostly south Asian with some west Asian and central admixture admix if you are a bit atypical to very a typical

Youre North Indian so I wouldn’t imagine you being 100% anything

Also my heritage always mistake indo European as Swedish, English, Scottish

So if you do a myheritage be ready to expect 8-15% European and it isn’t recent(past 5-6 generations)

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

This is just the basics, once you know enough about ancient migrations and you should upload your result to illustrative dna and dnagenics

 

[Gengar]

Best autosomal dna test for non Europeans is FTDNA, for haplogroup its FTDNA

As of matches either myheritage or 23andme

Your results are expected to be mostly south Asian with some west Asian and central admixture admix if you are a bit atypical to very a typical

Youre North Indian so I wouldn’t imagine you being 100% anything

Also my heritage always mistake indo European as Swedish, English, Scottish

So if you do a myheritage be ready to expect 8-15% European and it isn’t recent(past 5-6 generations)

Thanks for the response, I waded through your thread, it was an interesting read. I thought you said you were not Islamic so that thread was surprising as well. I want to see 0% European on my results because I’m an Asian supremacist. So I will rule out those two you mentioned. I noticed you had Indus Valley as well. I should add that Indus Valley is solely in Pakistan and thus not really modern-day “India.” So I should go with AncestryDNA then?

 

[Gengar]

This is just the basics, once you know enough about ancient migrations and you should upload your result to illustrative dna and dnagenics

Also I think I look like a typical pajeet. A white-passing Iranic Pakistani told me I looked Hindustani and a white-passing Syrian thought I was Indian. Another time a Dutch man thought I was Bengali.

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

Thanks for the response, I waded through your thread, it was an interesting read. I thought you said you were not Islamic so that thread was surprising as well. I want to see 0% European on my results because I’m an Asian supremacist. So I will rule out those two you mentioned. I noticed you had Indus Valley as well. I should add that Indus Valley is solely in Pakistan and thus not really modern-day “India.” So I should go with AncestryDNA then?

Go with FTDNA, my south Asian is from >2 to 4%
It’s a result from having such high iranic admix

The only thing that you should take as a rule is the closest genetic groups, PCA plots and your haplo group + finding close relatives (no farther than 3 generations ago or you will go into speculationstan)

 

[The Grinch]

It won’t change the way you look today so why even care. Even if I found out that i am the descendant of the pharaohs themselves, i would still be an ugly manlet and genetic failure

 

[Gengar]

Thanks for the response, I waded through your thread, it was an interesting read. I thought you said you were not Islamic so that thread was surprising as well. I want to see 0% European on my results because I’m an Asian supremacist. So I will rule out those two you mentioned. I noticed you had Indus Valley as well. I should add that Indus Valley is solely in Pakistan and thus not really modern-day “India.” So I should go with AncestryDNA then?

One more thing… since you’re from Mesopotamia, I forgot to mention; that IV percentage is definitely not noise. There used to be trade between the Indus Valley Civilization and Mesopotamia with IVC artefacts being found in Mesopotamia. But the Mesopotamians had a different name for my people. I forgot the name… anyway aside from trading, there’s also evidence of my people living in your ancient country and working as translators there. Interesting stuff.

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

Also I think I look like a typical pajeet. A white-passing Iranic Pakistani told me I looked Hindustani and a white-passing Syrian thought I was Indian. Another time a Dutch man thought I was Bengali.

I look pasty white, big brow ridge and jaw
Not very “Dinaric” as aspies call it

Also I have brown hair, and very dark eyes

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

One more thing… since you’re from Mesopotamia, I forgot to mention; that IV percentage is definitely not noise. There used to be trade between the Indus Valley Civilization and Mesopotamia with IVC artefacts being found in Mesopotamia. But the Mesopotamians had a different name for my people. I forgot the name… anyway aside from trading, there’s also evidence of my people living in your ancient country and working as translators there. Interesting stuff.

I already know that
I firmly believe there is a genetic connection between southern iraq and South Asia
Iraq is borderline curry, it’s tbh but more on the “sand” side ie middle eastern Semitic looking

 

[Gengar]

One more thing… since you’re from Mesopotamia, I forgot to mention; that IV percentage is definitely not noise. There used to be trade between the Indus Valley Civilization and Mesopotamia with IVC artefacts being found in Mesopotamia. But the Mesopotamians had a different name for my people. I forgot the name… anyway aside from trading, there’s also evidence of my people living in your ancient country and working as translators there. Interesting stuff.

@Assyrian_Warrior Meant to quote ya. Also.. the name your people had for my people back then was “Meluhha.”

 

[Gengar]

Go with FTDNA, my south Asian is from >2 to 4%
It’s a result from having such high iranic admix

The only thing that you should take as a rule is the closest genetic groups, PCA plots and your haplo group + finding close relatives (no farther than 3 generations ago or you will go into speculationstan)

I want to do PCA plots mainly, interested to see how I compare against fellow jeets and others. How much does FTDNA cost? I’m a poorcel.

 

[Gengar]

It won’t change the way you look today so why even care. Even if I found out that i am the descendant of the pharaohs themselves, i would still be an ugly manlet and genetic failure

Life is more about than looks. Knowing your history is an important aspect as well.

 

[Gengar]

I look pasty white, big brow ridge and jaw
Not very “Dinaric” as aspies call it

Also I have brown hair, and very dark eyes

I saw your kiddo pics over there. Most Iraqis are more ethnic looking I’ve noticed.

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

I want to do PCA plots mainly, interested to see how I compare against fellow jeets and others. How much does FTDNA cost? I’m a poorcel.

It costed 100 dollars for me through a third party

 

[Gengar]

I already know that
I firmly believe there is a genetic connection between southern iraq and South Asia
Iraq is borderline curry, it’s tbh but more on the “sand” side ie middle eastern Semitic looking

Mirin your knowledge, and yes I agree there’s definitely a genetic connection.

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

Mirin your knowledge, and yes I agree there’s definitely a genetic connection.

From the “ethnic scale” penisular Arabs are as ethnic as pakis

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

Mirin your knowledge, and yes I agree there’s definitely a genetic connection.

As for southern Iraqis it would be as ethnic as southern iran, something in those lines

 

[Gengar]

From the “ethnic scale” penisular Arabs are as ethnic as pakis

Yeah, Gulf Arabs can look just like us, same thing with Kurds actually. I have a Kurdish friend who says that many Kurds pass for Pakistani and vice versa.

As for southern Iraqis it would be as ethnic as southern iran, something in those lines

There seems to be a phenotypic overlap between West Asians and South Asians such as Baloch/Pashtuns and sometimes Panjabis and Kashmiris.

 

[𝐀𝐬𝐬𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐖𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫]

Yeah, Gulf Arabs can look just like us, same thing with Kurds actually. I have a Kurdish friend who says that many Kurds pass for Pakistani and vice versa.

There seems to be a phenotypic overlap between West Asians and South Asians such as Baloch/Pashtuns and sometimes Panjabis and Kashmiris.

The last two over lap with peninsular Arabs, Egyptians and North Africans

 

[Gengar]

The last two over lap with peninsular Arabs, Egyptians and North Africans

You mean Panjabis and Kashmiris right? To be honest in the case of Panjabis it’s quite a mess. It’s a very absorbing identity; many people from Panjab came from outside but adopted Panjabi culture & language: effectively branding them Panjabi. For instance Allama Iqbal

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and The Great Gama [undefeated wrestler who had 5000 matches and even took on many western wrestlers]

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were ethnic Kashmiris living in Panjab: making them effectively Panjabi. And then you have dudes like Imran Khan

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who are Pashtun but culturally Panjabi thus also considered Panjabi (although I consider him Iranic even though he speaks Urdu and some Panjabi).