Do cranial sutures respond to mechanical loading?

[recessedyn]

I understand wolff's law and bone density, but do the sutures actually themselves actually respond to ANY force or just hormones. Can thumpulling, chewing, and mewing actually create forward/lateral growth or is that 100% cope at ANY age.

 

[follicel]

nah not really it's mostly hormones none of those methods you named have high enough force

 

[recessedyn]

nah not really it's mostly hormones none of those methods you named have high enough force

It's a yes or no question. So you say yes, sutures DO respond to force, but only during early development.

 

[primal_shitmuncher]

I've heard Adrian Deveraux mention on a recent YouTube video that Wolff's law in the face applies from mechanical tension via chewing, pressure from the tongue, etc. He claims that thumbpulling keeps your maxillary suture open so that you can mew and experience more results. He claims that this can actually affect your bones. I'm not sure myself, I haven't done research on this, I'm just linking someone whose content I think lines up with the topic of your question.

Hope this helped!

 

[follicel]

It's a yes or no question. So you say yes, sutures DO respond to force, but only during early development.

MARPE/MSE def works and other orthopedic devices work too even in young adults/teens

u tell me if ur thumbpulling, chewing and mewing will apply at least tens of kilos of force repeatedly to expand at a suture for example maxilla

 

[recessedyn]

MARPE/MSE def works and other orthopedic devices work too even in young adults/teens

u tell me if ur thumbpulling, chewing and mewing will apply at least tens of kilos of force repeatedly to expand at a suture for example maxilla

I agree palate expanders work BUT, I think they don't actually stimulate osteocytes but rather split the maxilla where it is most vulnerable, this triggers an inflammatory response causing osteoblasts to lay down new bone, similarly to a MDO or broken arm.

Yes, I think hard chewing can generate upwards of 80kg of force and thumbpulling can generate 40kg per thumb in a decently strong individual.

 

[follicel]

I agree palate expanders work BUT, I think they don't actually stimulate osteocytes but rather split the maxilla where it is most vulnerable, this triggers an inflammatory response causing osteoblasts to lay down new bone, similarly to a MDO or broken arm.

Yes, I think hard chewing can generate upwards of 80kg of force and thumbpulling can generate 40kg per thumb in a decently strong individual.

Then you think wrong.

Palate expanders apply sustained lateral force constantly at the suture, causes mechanical strain on sutures and then cellular signaling I hope you realize it expands so that your maxilla can essentially remodel itself through that micro-separation of the suture which leads to bone remodeling through osteoblast + osteclast (osteocytes ARE involved)

It's not ANY force that will stimulate the same signaling and same growth

Neither does 80kg of bite force translate whatsoever bc if you just bite it'll fuck your teeth all of the force will apply and only be absorbed to your teeth and give you malocclusions and dent or bend ur teeth around also would not help ur periodontal ligaments and mandible at all if that's what you want to get out of it

MECHANICAL TENSION is not just some wollfs law bull dick