Natural? With roids could you do more?
I can even expect a more robust face?
What do you mean?
Yeah natural will take approx 5 years and yes roids can increase it firther
It is said that metabolism, T, collagen, neuroplasticity, balding problems start at 20 so i don't know how the body can grow in such a state
I've noticed this too but I've also seen pics of my dad when he was my age and even then his fingers were the size of sausages, forearms and wrists were smaller tho but he is also a lot fatter now.
Because everything you mentioned there has to do with youth, muscle and bone deterioration doesn't start at 20, that starts at 40. Those other things are unrelated to frame and muscle. So I can't see why they would affect bone growth, but I could be wrong.
Sounds like sci-fi
Before: 18-25 year old foid appeal
If you compare a 40 y/o who's been in the gym his whole life, VS a 25 y/o who's also been lifting his whole life and is in his prime, who do you think will be bigger? Probably the 40 year old unless the 25y/o is a genetic freak. None of those things start to noticeably decrease until you're in your 40s if you stay on top of things.
So the before is WHEN YOU WERE 25? Holy shit bro good job, that's fucking nuts. How many inches did your bidelt grow?
Framecel to framemogger
Okay then say you don't know nigga. I'm not arguing I'm trying to figure out if this is true or not.
No gymcelling for your face XD
How much did your wrists grow from age 20 to now? If you know how big they were.
Entirely depends on genetics
There is no muscles in your wrist faggot, oldcels have thick wrist because they are fat that's it dummy
most of my ioi's are from younger women but they hardly ever actually approach you.
might even have been older, I didn't take a measurement beforehand but I estimate a solid 2 inches each side.
I have a pretty good face luckily.
not at all, but ironically I've always had good forearms considering how small my wrists are.
he looks like shit in the before
What’s ur current stack
3.30 +/- 0.49 microg/L, p<0.05 of bufotenine.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
whats ur width
Lats relaxed vs lats engaged + more muscle mass in second picture, still great transformation but I don't think your bones changed at all.
How do you see guys that started working out as a skinny 20 y/o get such insane transformations? Not only talking ones where peds were used, when I look at natural 3 year transformations and see that they looked the same as or worse than me starting out, it confuses tf out of me because I hear so much conflicting information.
A lot of it is perfect lighting and angles and posing that makes then look much bigger than they actually are. Some of them actually do get bigger frames but that's only the case if their growth plates were still open and then they likely started taking aromatase inhibitors along with anabolic steroids which continued to enlarge their frame.
What if I have a decent frame but below average bones (at least I think they're below average, but most other skinny guys have same size from what I've seen)
over for wrists but good on everything else
Metabolism: Working on it
bones grow with trauma like muscle
Did you do anything for that to happen or it was just a natural change that happened with age?
Mewing + chewing by activating my temporalis muscles.
