Do great civilisations collapse because they forget how to suffer?

[imontheloose]

No it’s because of bad leadership, humans have remained the same physically for thousands of years

Bad leadership accelerates collapse, but bad leaders don't come from nowhere. They're elected, tolerated, and obeyed by a people already decaying. Collapse isn't just about poor leaders, it's about weakening of the blood, spirit, and will of the people.

You can't just fix a civilisation by swapping the puppet, you need to purify the stock.

 

[Daddy's Home]

Do you believe genetic strength can survive without values to protect it?

In nature, there are no ‘'strong/good’' genetics, just different ones, some of which have certain advantages, others have disadvantages (the genetics that don't make you compatible with life for whatever reason anyway are supposed to die with you)

For a genetics to continue to exist, all it has to do is manage to move on to the next body, and that's only decided if 2 partners decide to have a baby (no matter what trash can genetic they have, in theory)

For example in the picture below, those 3 children are cursed, and will continue to carry on the father's genetics, just because the mother felt that the father's genetics deserved to continue to exist

Obviously though there is a hierarchy of which genetics are more special/rare/preferable, but that unfortunately doesn't stop people from fucked up with other people with worse genetics by comparison, instead of preserving them with their own kind..

What replaces the family as the moral foundation of a people?

Fear of discomfort of any kind

If we no longer see reproduction as a duty, what stops the extinction of the noble class?

Those with resources of any kind will continue to have children. Those without them who would have done it before in the hope that they would get rich from the success of their children, will no longer make them, because they will stop taking risks and taking responsibility, and will enjoy on their own the resources, perhaps even so few, inherited alone from their parents

 

[Gengar]

@ey88 @Jonas2k7 @not__cel @chadisbeingmade @Gengar what do you think? Prosperity may lead to comfort, then to decadence, then to decline; a pattern visible in the fall of Rome, Byzantium, Weimar Germany, etc... or is it more than that?

Empires are brought to ruin from within. There’s always a traitor out there willing to do the enemy’s bidding.

 

[Nick.Harte]

It’s 2:56 for me at the moment

21:57 for me rn

 

[hypernormie]

How could they succeed if the people weren't already weakened? (((Intentional forces))) only succeed when we become weakened, which we have.

People have not become weakened so much as technology has made violent recourse more costly than ever before. It's easy to fight an oppressive government if you can just run away and hide if things go wrong. Nowadays they have your face on 1,000,000 different cameras, AI monitoring your style of gait and minute facial features if you're ever caught in public again, payment systems that track every purchase, a payment ecosystem that encourages virtual trackable purchases, police with military grade weapons equipment to arrest you and a prison system that is the closest thing to hell on earth you'll ever experience with zero possibility of escape due to a global collaborative law enforcement network.

Yes some people have become pussies but I don't think people have weakened so much as the costs of aggression have increased significantly.

 

[Alias!]

I think so. Struggle is the furnace of greatness. A civilisation that forgets how to suffer forgets how to fight.

Our ancestors endured winters, war, and hunger to build the bloodlines we now inherit, yet the modern man seeks merely comfort through soft food, values, and minds. This is exactly how a people dies without even being conquered: rotting from within.

The hardship suffrage carries on its shoulders is more valuable than you may initially believe.

Spoiler

@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Nick.Harte @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon

They had an incentive for there suffering to mean something. Nowadays it’s hard to fight a rigged game

 

[t4s1r]

I think so. Struggle is the furnace of greatness. A civilisation that forgets how to suffer forgets how to fight.

Our ancestors endured winters, war, and hunger to build the bloodlines we now inherit, yet the modern man seeks merely comfort through soft food, values, and minds. This is exactly how a people dies without even being conquered: rotting from within.

The hardship suffrage carries on its shoulders is more valuable than you may initially believe.

Spoiler

@Jason Voorhees @DR. NICKGA @Nick.Harte @Gargantuan @wishIwasSalludon

I remember something like this on tiktok, it was like a man in creative mode (Minecraft) turns it to ruin and a man in survival mode turns it to paradise

 

[imontheloose]

People have not become weakened so much as technology has made violent recourse more costly than ever before. It's easy to fight an oppressive government if you can just run away and hide if things go wrong. Nowadays they have your face on 1,000,000 different cameras, AI monitoring your style of gait and minute facial features if you're ever caught in public again, payment systems that track every purchase, a payment ecosystem that encourages virtual trackable purchases, police with military grade weapons equipment to arrest you and a prison system that is the closest thing to hell on earth you'll ever experience with zero possibility of escape due to a global collaborative law enforcement network.

Yes some people have become pussies but I don't think people have weakened so much as the costs of aggression have increased significantly.

You're right that the cost of open defiance has skyrocketed, surveillance is total, dissent is mapped in advance, and the system doesn't just punish rebellion, it prevents it from forming. But that doesn't explain what's changed.

We've faced brutal systems before; what made resistance possible then wasn't lower risk. It was higher conviction. People had something beyond comfort to live and die for. They suffered meaningfully, and that's what gave them force.

Nowadays, suffering is pathologised. Sacrifice is viewed as dysfunction. The dominant ethos is to avoid pain, maximise convenience, and live longer, not better.

The terrifying truth is, we wouldn't rise up even if we could because we've forgotten why we should.

 

[imontheloose]

They had an incentive for there suffering to mean something. Nowadays it’s hard to fight a rigged game

The game is rigged, yes, but men who wait for fairness are slaves. Great peoples rise by breaking the game, not whining about the rules. If you need hope to fight, you've already lost. Our ancestors bled not because they thought they'd win, rather because blood that refuses to fight doesn't deserve to survive.

 

[imontheloose]

I remember something like this on tiktok, it was like a man in creative mode (Minecraft) turns it to ruin and a man in survival mode turns it to paradise

Lol, that's one way to put it.