do my jaws look recessed based on my ceph?

[longjohnmong]

 

[forevermirin]

yes looks like me unfortunately

 

[longjohnmong]

yes looks like me unfortunately

Ramieri said no to jaw surgery unless extractions and a year of braces for decompensation, but the only reason I could see that being the case is if he doesn't think my maxilla is recessed enough to advance it to a degree where the mandible could be meaningfully advanced.

 

[forevermirin]

Ramieri said no to jaw surgery unless extractions and a year of braces for decompensation, but the only reason I could see that being the case is if he doesn't think my maxilla is recessed enough to advance it to a degree where the mandible could be meaningfully advanced.

pm bro i had almost similar diagnosis

 

[optimisticzoomer]

No

 

[Orc]

you are downgrown and your hyoid is low, and it also looks like you're fat based on your neck, but the bone isn't actually lacking.

 

[Kater Maxxing]

Yes

 

[normie_joe]

Ramieri said no to jaw surgery unless extractions and a year of braces for decompensation, but the only reason I could see that being the case is if he doesn't think my maxilla is recessed enough to advance it to a degree where the mandible could be meaningfully advanced.

Did you ever post a regular profile pic?

 

[gideon]

Ramieri said no to jaw surgery unless extractions and a year of braces for decompensation, but the only reason I could see that being the case is if he doesn't think my maxilla is recessed enough to advance it to a degree where the mandible could be meaningfully advanced.

what does decompensation mean? I'm currently 6 months in to my pre-surgery braces.

 

[NotoriousLoser]

u need rhinoplasty, dont u ?

 

[longjohnmong]

what does decompensation mean? I'm currently 6 months in to my pre-surgery braces.

In my case it would mean they push the lower teeth back, creating an overjet, in order to make more room for the mandible to be moved forward.

 

[longjohnmong]

u need rhinoplasty, dont u ?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 23472]

looks ok

 

[longjohnmong]

Did you ever post a regular profile pic?

I posted a pic from before my chin implant where I look obviously recessed and birdcel. I posted the same photo to jawsurgeryforums a few years ago and they were like "yes, you're recessed" like "period, obviously you're recessed, no further explanation needed." So I saved up money for bimax, got consultation with Ramieri, and then he said that I don't need it. I posted my ceph to jawsurgeryforums and they were like "no, your profile looks fine, why would you want bimax?"

 

[longjohnmong]

you are downgrown and your hyoid is low, and it also looks like you're fat based on your neck, but the bone isn't actually lacking.

I was surprised at the amount of bone because if you look at my pic from before chin implant, 21 years ago, it looks giga bircel:

I was 18. I'm currently bulking and fatter than usual but not fat fat. Ramieri did mention chin lipo, maybe I just have residual fat in the area. I have extremely lean at times.

 

[Allornothing]

Your lower jaw before implants was small because your maxilla is quite flat and your chin was small.

 

[Deleted member 19957]

You got impacted teeth?

 

[ItsOver999]

I wouldnt even say ur jaws r recessed necessarily, u just have a steep occlusal plane and u need ccw rotation, rotated from ur ANS and then u will be good.. (u probably need forward movement too tho..

 

[gideon]

In my case it would mean they push the lower teeth back, creating an overjet, in order to make more room for the mandible to be moved forward.

ah okay, which teeth were going to be extracted? And does creating an over jet effect the maxilla at all?

 

[longjohnmong]

ah okay, which teeth were going to be extracted? And does creating an over jet effect the maxilla at all?

Premolars. No it doesn't. It doesn't affect bone, just tooth positioning. Then the surgery moves the bones.

Presumably he would only move the maxilla a bit or not at all. Because if he were going to move it more then there wouldn't be the need for decompensation (I think). They would just move both forward by the same amount. But say he's only going to move the maxilla 3mm, then that doesn't justify the surgery because he could only move the mandible 3mm as well (without the decompensation). That's just what I've pieced together. I might be wrong.

 

[gideon]

Premolars. No it doesn't. It doesn't affect bone, just tooth positioning. Then the surgery moves the bones.

Presumably he would only move the maxilla a bit or not at all. Because if he were going to move it more then there wouldn't be the need for decompensation (I think). They would just move both forward by the same amount. But say he's only going to move the maxilla 3mm, then that doesn't justify the surgery because he could only move the mandible 3mm as well (without the decompensation). That's just what I've pieced together. I might be wrong.

Premolar extractions followed by braces would shrink dental arches and palate or no? Also would you be wearing braces during and after surgery too?

can you pm me? I have more questions.