Do not be fixated on one physical attribute, having one good physical attribute compensates for flaws in another.

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

On X.com a famous incel account
@IncelsCo posts things like "there is no gym for your face" by comparing a ripped and jacked guy with a normie face and a guy with a chad face that is not as muscular. Any guy who gets ripped and shredded through hard work in the gym should be praised.

Having a good looking face is indeed important, but can we all just admit that a good physique can compensate for facial imperfections or short height as well as vice versa?

 

[Bryce]

Having a good looking face is indeed important, but can we all just admit that a good physique can compensate for facial imperfections or short height as well as vice versa?

Nope it's literally worse, if you're short don't gymcel because you'll look like a tryhard gnome

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

Of course women do not actually like overtly muscular men, they like a lean-muscular physique such as Brad Pitt in "Fight Club" or Zac Efron in "Baywatch".

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

Nope it's literally worse, if you're short don't gymcel because you'll look like a tryhard gnome

A short man should opt for the lean muscular physique like what Bruce Lee had. Bruce Lee was 5'7", so he would be considered a manlet if he was alive today.

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

Lowering my bodyfat percentage of 10% certainly did benefit me as an 177cm man with a good frame.

 

[fwhr glazer]

Lowering my bodyfat percentage of 10% certainly did benefit me as an 177cm man with a good frame.

Damm 177

 

[Bryce]

A short man should opt for the lean muscular physique like what Bruce Lee had. Bruce Lee was 5'7", so he would be considered a manlet if he was alive today.

Bruce Lee was a fucking Chang and 5'7" for an Asian male isn't short especially not at the time

Lowering my bodyfat percentage of 10% certainly did benefit me as an 177cm man with a good frame.

Hahahaha you're fucking 5'9" wear some lifts and you won't face a fraction of what actual manlets face in the dating market

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

Bruce Lee was a fucking Chang and 5'7" for an Asian male isn't short especially not at the time

Hahahaha you're fucking 5'9" wear some lifts and you won't face a fraction of what actual manlets face in the dating market

I have an advantage over most Asian-Americans because most Asian-Americans are Southeast Asian or Southern Chinese. My dad is Korean and my mom is northern Chinese, it is expected that I am taller than most Asians in America.

 

[Bryce]

Also you are aware of the reason they used that transformation in specific, it's because of hordes of women were saying how ugly he was after he got leaner and how he was better looking when he was high BF%, you literally just proved that getting a better physique won't make up for your face or height especially in the eyes of women

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

Also you are aware of the reason they used that transformation in specific, it's because of hordes of women were saying how ugly he was after he got leaner and how he was better looking when he was high BF%, you literally just proved that getting a better physique won't make up for your face or height especially in the eyes of women

Having too much facial fat is bad, but having too less facial fat is also bad. Gymmaxxing was what got my facial fat to a more ideal level. Gymmaxxing works for those with above average facial fat.

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

If gymmaxxing causes your face to have less than ideal facial fat, then you should grow a bread. Gymmaxxing does not work everyone, but it worked for me.

 

[Radio]

I have an advantage over most Asian-Americans because most Asian-Americans are Southeast Asian or Southern Chinese. My dad is Korean and my mom is northern Chinese, it is expected that I am taller than most Asians in America.

how tall are you?

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

how tall are you?

177cm

 

[Radio]

177cm

is that not the avg in east asia

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

is that not the avg in east asia

In Northern China and South Korea 5'9" is very average, however in southern China the average is 5'7" with Taiwan having 5'8" as their average.

 

[Bryce]

Having too much facial fat is bad, but having too less facial fat is also bad. Gymmaxxing was what got my facial fat to a more ideal level. Gymmaxxing works for those with above average facial fat.

You are avoiding my point

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

You are avoiding my point

I admit gymmaxxing does not work for everyone. However it does work for those with proportionally above average facial fat.

 

[Bryce]

I admit gymmaxxing does not work for everyone

can we all just admit that a good physique can compensate for facial imperfections or short height

 

[EbonyGatesofAgartha]

Youd probably be taller/more attractive if your mother married a northern Han instead of a gook. Koreans have subhuman tungid + rice farmer genes that lead to pancake face/bonelessness/nauseating sibirid eye area and decreased height.

 

[jeoyw9192]

On X.com a famous incel account
@IncelsCo posts things like "there is no gym for your face" by comparing a ripped and jacked guy with a normie face and a guy with a chad face that is not as muscular. Any guy who gets ripped and shredded through hard work in the gym should be praised.

Having a good looking face is indeed important, but can we all just admit that a good physique can compensate for facial imperfections or short height as well as vice versa?

the problem I have with this reasoning is ur bound to have flaws regardless no matter how fixated u are on flaws, imperfect by default. Exactly why reaching chad or chadlite is a long shot for most people. So I really don't think theres an issue with fixing each of ur flaws if possible, as ur still gonna have some other imperfections.

Now I do agree that you need to have some projected halos, as opposed to generic. Having projected halos isn't necessarily the same as looking striking since "high facial averageness" (arguably generic looking) mogs strikingness appeal wise, but there is definitely some overlap.

 

[fishinthesee]

the problem I have with this reasoning is ur bound to have flaws regardless no matter how fixated u are on flaws, imperfect by default. Exactly why reaching chad or chadlite is a long shot for most people. So I really don't think theres an issue with fixing each of ur flaws if possible, as ur still gonna have some other imperfections.

Hes right but its a bad example, physical attributes like physique besides ur face and maybe frame aren't compensating for shit.

But physique can be made up for completely by face.

At some point lookswise a 6'2 skinny chad has the same SMV as a 6'2 jacked/athletic chad and the difference between jacked and "skinny" is no longer better or worse for a woman, and is only purely choice / her personal preference. Even if she has a thing for big biceps or something the impact is minimal. I'd also argue being more jacked (i dont even mean bodybuilder cuz thats water i mean just jacked past somewhat athletic) could maybe even take away appeal in certain people, although this isnt common and only applies to mostly LHTN+ it really can mess up your phenotype.

I agree yes everyone has flaws and usually physical attributes in ur face can sometimes completely drown out other facial flaws from actually looking "bad" its just that they could objectively look better but most people don't know how they'd be better, sometimes they do, like a person with a somewhat big nose might still look harmonious but maybe if it was "smaller" it would look better.

Sometimes, you can have facial features that would normally be bad but if they were generically better or average it would look worse on you. Example: tom holland, his lips are thin asf, but if they WERE bigger he would genuinely look worse because his FWHR would be fucked up. Or if you were the guy with the big nose a rhinoplasty might actually mess up your ratios aswell.

So basically the more flaws you have the more flawed your other flaws become, I see people talking about getting surgeries for stuff they wouldnt need surgery for if they just got other more important surgeries that are sometimes even cheaper. Example; people getting rhinoplasty when they have a recessed maxilla. You could literally just get double jaw surgery and now you would have your rhinoplasty done, and you wouldnt be recessed.

Now I do agree that you need to have some projected halos, as opposed to generic. Having projected halos isn't necessarily the same as looking striking since "high facial averageness" (arguably generic looking) mogs strikingness appeal wise, but there is definitely some overlap.

water

 

[jeoyw9192]

Hes right but its a bad example, physical attributes like physique besides ur face and maybe frame aren't compensating for shit.

But physique can be made up for completely by face.

At some point lookswise a 6'2 skinny chad has the same SMV as a 6'2 jacked/athletic chad and the difference between jacked and "skinny" is no longer better or worse for a woman, and is only purely choice / her personal preference. Even if she has a thing for big biceps or something the impact is minimal. I'd also argue being more jacked (i dont even mean bodybuilder cuz thats water i mean just jacked past somewhat athletic) could maybe even take away appeal in certain people, although this isnt common and only applies to mostly LHTN+ it really can mess up your phenotype.

I agree yes everyone has flaws and usually physical attributes in ur face can sometimes completely drown out other facial flaws from actually looking "bad" its just that they could objectively look better but most people don't know how they'd be better, sometimes they do, like a person with a somewhat big nose might still look harmonious but maybe if it was "smaller" it would look better.

Sometimes, you can have facial features that would normally be bad but if they were generically better or average it would look worse on you. Example: tom holland, his lips are thin asf, but if they WERE bigger he would genuinely look worse because his FWHR would be fucked up. Or if you were the guy with the big nose a rhinoplasty might actually mess up your ratios aswell.

So basically the more flaws you have the more flawed your other flaws become, I see people talking about getting surgeries for stuff they wouldnt need surgery for if they just got other more important surgeries that are sometimes even cheaper. Example; people getting rhinoplasty when they have a recessed maxilla. You could literally just get double jaw surgery and now you would have your rhinoplasty done, and you wouldnt be recessed.

water

You don't seem to be refuting anything I said so not sure what ur point here is.

If fixing one flaw leads to another flaw then clearly you have a more overwhelming issue; and the example of the big nose, that's more phenotypically oriented and chances are if it's visually "big" you'd ascend if it was smaller relatively. Measurements like the ipsilateral ratios and what not would most probably line up too relative to your lateral canthus distance.

Also you mentioned most people don't actually know their flaws, but that line of thinking shouldn't be relevant on a site like .org where the sole purpose should be to ascend as much as possible (to a certain degree of course) among other aspects. If you wanna sugarcoat it for general people and not make it direct on what their flaws are, I don't see how that would help people here on how to actually ascend.

 

[fishinthesee]

You don't seem to be refuting anything I said so not sure what ur point here is.

If fixing one flaw leads to another flaw then clearly you have a more overwhelming issue; and the example of the big nose, that's more phenotypically oriented and chances are if it's visually "big" you'd ascend if it was smaller relatively. Measurements like the ipsilateral ratios and what not would most probably line up too relative to your lateral canthus distance.

You are overthinking how simple of a statement I made, you are probably right but im just giving a basic example, like if you had thin lips that already gave you somewhat ideal philtrum length on the shorter end making them bigger would only make them worse.
And thats Fair big nose to small nose would usually look better but I was giving an example and said sometimes.

Also you mentioned most people don't actually know their flaws, but that line of thinking shouldn't be relevant on a site like .org where the sole purpose should be to ascend as much as possible (to a certain degree of course) among other aspects. If you wanna sugarcoat it for general people and not make it direct on what their flaws are, I don't see how that would help people here on how to actually ascend.

You are misunderstanding what I said, and to your fairness perhaps I articulated my words worse than I thought to. I mean some flaws dont matter to people and arent even visible if you already look good. The OP said "compensates" so I mean it compensates for them and makes those "flaws" appear average or even good looking because its already part of an attractive face. Example look at clavs comment section everyone is telling him hes already perfect or whatever and he doesnt need a double jaw surgery. I'm not trying to preach this energy or body positivity type shit I am just making the point that yes flaws can be made invisible by other features on your face even if they can look better with surgery. That line of reasoning is relevant when it comes to compensation. Obviously we are on .org and you can always maximize looks / features (to a certain degree like you said).

 

[EuphoricAsianNormie]

Youd probably be taller/more attractive if your mother married a northern Han instead of a gook. Koreans have subhuman tungid + rice farmer genes that lead to pancake face/bonelessness/nauseating sibirid eye area and decreased height.

My older brother is 6'2

 

[THE SCHOLAR]

Youd probably be taller/more attractive if your mother married a northern Han instead of a gook. Koreans have subhuman tungid + rice farmer genes that lead to pancake face/bonelessness/nauseating sibirid eye area and decreased height.

u have discord?