Do you believe Consciousness is a by product of Brain or consciousness is fundamental?

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At the core, there’s this never ending debate:

Is consciousness just a byproduct of the brain, or is it something more fundamental?

That’s what David Chalmers called the hard problem of consciousness.

You’ve got theories like Integrated Information Theory (IIT) saying that when enough atoms come together in a complex way, consciousness just emerges. Like how H₂O molecules come together and suddenly you get “wetness.”/water

Because wetness is still objective you can measure and explain it. But consciousness is not a physical property but experience.

Atoms aren’t conscious on their own. So how do a bunch of non-conscious things combine and suddenly there’s a witness?

Like right now there’s thoughts, sensations, emotions… but there’s also something that’s aware of them. That silent “observer,” that sense of I am here, experiencing this.

Where does that come from?

When you see red, it’s not just light wavelengths and neurons firing you experience redness.

When someone you care about leaves and you feel that heaviness and
the sense of betrayal

If you say “muh neurons are doing xyz,” and yeah, that explains the mechanism.

But it dodges the central question.

Why is there a first-person perspective at all? Why isn’t all of this just blind processing with no one there to experience it?

Where does this sense of being the witness the one who is aware, the one behind the thoughts even come from?
 
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i believe its not a byproduct, jews make you think that you are worthless and just a byproduct just random.

i dont believe anything jews and their fucked studies say
 
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Consciousness is fundamental :)
 
Well the fact our experience of the world can be changed by altering the brain makes me lean towards IIT, but you're right that we experience it and have personhood.
No idea, but there's evidence that even small fish experience the world the same way we do.
 
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Well the fact our experience of the world can be changed by altering the brain makes me lean towards IIT, but you're right that we experience it and have personhood.
No idea, but there's evidence that even small fish experience the world the same way we do.
But as @Frenulum said: the Jews want us to be nihilist, which makes me believe there is meaning to all of this
 
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