Do you believe in free will?

[Deleted member 11326]

Did you really choose to be on this forum at this time, this day, this year? What caused you to be here and what caused that? You don't just get to choose to do something, your environment and surroundings do. It might seem like 'bro I can just stand up now if I wanted to what do you mean lol' but no this post I made is what motivated you to even think of that thought. NOTHING that occurs to you is out of your own will and it's ridiculously unsettling ngl. After reading this post, whether you go on to live an amazingly successful life or rot on this forum, is technically not in your hands AT ALL. The idea of this being true is very unsettling for many people and maybe comforting for others, but don't think that you have any ACTUAL control over your reality. You might think you do, and it's the healthy way to think of it but it's not true. All your motivations/aspirations, hobbies, interests, whether you prefer one supermodel over another etc you have ZERO control over.

 

[Deleted member 10413]

No the only 2 differences between any given human is:

1. There genetics

and

2. There environment

Neither of these 2 things were chosen by you and both are random

 

[Deleted member 11326]

No the only 2 differences between any given human is:

1. There genetics

and

2. There environment

Neither of these 2 things were chosen by you and both are random

that's damn right brotha but I'll wait and entertain the responses that come from people who actually think free will is a concept

 

[TsarTsar444]

Dnr cause jew account

 

[Deleted member 11406]

Motherfucker paid vip

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Did you really choose to be on this forum at this time, this day, this year? What caused you to be here and what caused that? You don't just get to choose to do something, your environment and surroundings do. It might seem like 'bro I can just stand up now if I wanted to what do you mean lol' but no this post I made is what motivated you to even think of that thought. NOTHING that occurs to you is out of your own will and it's ridiculously unsettling ngl. After reading this post, whether you go on to live an amazingly successful life or rot on this forum, is technically not in your hands AT ALL. The idea of this being true is very unsettling for many people and maybe comforting for others, but don't think that you have any ACTUAL control over your reality. You might think you do, and it's the healthy way to think of it but it's not true. All your motivations/aspirations, hobbies, interests, whether you prefer one supermodel over another etc you have ZERO control over.

At the end of the day you still control your actions is it not?
You make the final decision...

 

[Enfant terrible]

At the end of the day you still control your actions is it not?
You make the final decision...

no thats not true

 

[Deleted member 5522]

No there is no such thing and such thing would be impossible

 

[Deleted member 10913]

no thats not true

Elaborate.

 

[Apeiron]

Free will is illusory. Easily verifiable to oneself. And also verified by science.

 

[HumidVent]

Everything has been predetermined since the big bang.

"In quantum mechanics, superdeterminism is a loophole in Bell's theorem, that allows one to evade it by postulating that all systems being measured are causally correlated with the choices of which measurements to make on them.[1] It is conceivable that someone could exploit this loophole to construct a local hidden variable theory that reproduces the predictions of quantum mechanics. Superdeterminists do not recognize the existence of genuine chances or possibilities anywhere in the cosmos."

 

[Deleted member 11326]

At the end of the day you still control your actions is it not?
You make the final decision...

No you don't. Read the OP again, to sum it up, literally any thought that occurs in your head, is motivated by your genetics and environment, both of which you have zero control over.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

No you don't. Read the OP again, to sum it up, literally any thought that occurs in your head, is motivated by your genetics and environment, both of which you have zero control over.

However U did not say anything against that.
No free will also implies that you can oy perfor."x" tought you have and not reject it. This does not seem to be the case, like you you get hungry but still can choose not to eat. You get where i am comming from?

 

[Enfant terrible]

Elaborate.

Look up libet experiment
The initiation of the freely voluntary act appears to begin in the brain unconsciously, well before the person consciously knows he wants to act

 

[Deleted member 12303]

I chose to post here yes I have free will

 

[getra]

You are free to do anything this world allows you to

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Look up libet experiment
The initiation of the freely voluntary act appears to begin in the brain unconsciously, well before the person consciously knows he wants to act

The last sentence seem to hold my argument.

The intention is there but you can choose not to follow it.

We have no freedom of thought i would say. You can't control what you think however you still make the final decision.

 

[Deleted member 11326]

However U did not say anything against that.
No free will also implies that you can oy perfor."x" tought you have and not reject it. This does not seem to be the case, like you you get hungry but still can choose not to eat. You get where i am comming from?

Okay but did you really choose why you decided to eat or not? The root motivation for anything you do, you have no control over. And we don't do anything without a particular motivation/reason.

 

[Deleted member 10913]

Okay but did you really choose why you decided to eat or not? The root motivation for anything you do, you have no control over. And we don't do anything without a particular motivation/reason.

Since you can veto the tought of your brain you have freewill

The guy himself seems to have the same conclusion. Keep in mind i did not know who this person was or his study until it was pointes out.

You also don't choose a third option on wether you take a dump or not. You have two option but this doesn't mean you are forced to choose a 'fixed option' or thay you can't veto it.

Having the second option and the right to veto the other is by default freewill

* The big 3 Abrahamic religions whose standing pillars is that humans act on free will only point 2 destinations not a third one.

 

[UnderCovrN0rmie]

just because God or a super intelligent machine that can look at every variable in the universe can accurately tell what we'll do at any moment doesn't mean we're the ones still deciding what to do

predetermination in its most literal sense is the most low iq thing you can believe imo (although not predetermination in the way the blackpill uses it, 5'2 currycel will never be a famous pop star or whatever)

 

[everythingisacope]

disguised greycel tbh

 

[Deleted member 6997]

nah, why would people buy vip out of free will

 

[Deleted member 10913]

just because God or a super intelligent machine that can look at every variable in the universe can accurately tell what we'll do at any moment doesn't mean we're the ones still deciding what to do

predetermination in its most literal sense is the most low iq thing you can believe imo (although not predetermination in the way the blackpill uses it, 5'2 currycel will never be a famous pop star or whatever)

The options you have is fixed, that is predetirmined. The answers you gave is freewill.
Your example with the curry still falls to predetermination.

 

[UnderCovrN0rmie]

The options you have is fixed, that is predetirmined. The answers you gave is freewill.
Your example with the curry still falls to predetermination.

a lot of the time the best choices are fixed sure, but instead of eating dinner or not, i could kill myself, or just shit on the floor

 

[Deleted member 10524]

U don have no choice U hav no free will

 

[Deleted member 10913]

a lot of the time the best choices are fixed sure, but instead of eating dinner or not, i could kill myself, or just shit on the floor

Well you would starting eat shit on the floor. This however is a force your body forces not your brain. Need to add that even that can be vetoed

 

[Deleted member 10913]

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U don have no choice U hav no free will

Man read my prev posts i talk about the fact wether you can veto the option and hold multiple option at the same time in your brain

 

[Deleted member 12611]

Free will doesn't exist. People only think it does because they constantly forget the definitions of words while thinking about it because of low intelligence.

What does it mean to have control? It means to do what you want. But there are only two types of value: means and ends. The actions you think are useful (the means) are based off your memory, which is based off your experience, which are based off your environment, which you have no control over. The ends you also have no control over, for if you did, then this selection of an end would be for a further end (by the definition of control), and therefore not an end in itself.

So free control is a complete contradiction, and therefore free will does not exist.

 

[Lasko123]

Yes man