Do you need a high IQ to be a software developer?

[CEO of Sex]

Not trying to be the CEO of the next Apple or anything, just want something that will get me by. Doing a meme degree currently and thinking about making the switch.

 

[thecel]

Software is for low-IQ cucks.

 

[CEO of Sex]

Software is for low-IQ cucks.

BAsed

 

[Cali Yuga]

unless youre a nigger or female you have to be high iq enough to be decent at math

 

[thecel]

unless youre a nigger or female you have to be high iq enough to be decent at math

Not this bullshit again. Most programmers do not need more than basic, primary-school math. Devs rarely ever do high-school-level math, let alone university math and beyond. Most of the math used in normal coding is just arithmetic (e.g. adding two numbers together). And people don’t need to even be good at that stuff, for we have calculators and Google. I’ll say it again: programming does NOT need advanced math!

 

[Cali Yuga]

Not this bullshit again. Most programmers do not need more than basic math. Devs rarely ever do high-school-level math, let alone university math and beyond. Most of the math used in everyday coding is just arithmetic. I’ll say it again: programming does NOT need advanced math!

read the poast you illiterate nigger

i didnt say you need advanced math to be a programmer

i said you need an iq high enough that you would be decent at math

this is a heuristic useful for determining your relative int given that no one takes accurate iq tests and everyone takes math classes during compulsory education

you fucking monkey

 

[Deleted member 9801]

Not this bullshit again. Most programmers do not need more than basic math. Devs rarely ever do high-school-level math, let alone university math and beyond. Most of the math used in everyday coding is just arithmetic. I’ll say it again: programming does NOT need advanced math!

Legit…it’s just discrete maths, not the continous one that most people do lol. More so to do with logic and algorithms etc

 

[wollet2]

you need abv average but companies will squeeze every iq point you have in interviews since everyone can do the coding that they ask and they need to filter out the millions of subhumans

 

[Deleted member 9801]

read the poast you illiterate nigger

i didnt say you need advanced math to be a programmer

i said you need an iq high enough that you would be decent at math

this is a heuristic useful for determining your relative int given that no one takes accurate iq tests and everyone takes math classes during compulsory education

you fucking monkey

Yeh in my opinion you need high IQ to be a good programmer

Not everyone’s brain is wired for it. Doesn’t make them low iq tho, they could be genius in other fields ygm

 

[wollet2]

you prolly gonna have a hard time as sub 110 iq finishing the degree and its one of the easiest stem fields

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

unless youre a nigger or female you have to be high iq enough to be decent at math

Debatable I’m a nigger who is shit at maths and yet I can do just fine doing programming and stuff. And when I say bad I mean BAAAADD. I’m smart at every other subject but maths, I am a master at strategy games and skill based games that require reaction and quick thought. Yet cannot do math to save me, math doesn’t determine if one’s smart or dumb it jsut determines if your good at maths or not

Not this bullshit again. Most programmers do not need more than basic math. Devs rarely ever do high-school-level math, let alone university math and beyond. Most of the math used in everyday coding is just arithmetic. I’ll say it again: programming does NOT need advanced math!

^^^^^^^ @CEO of Sex this is legit

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

you prolly gonna have a hard time as sub 110 iq finishing the degree and its one of the easiest stem fields

My IQs prob around that range and I got a first class degree. I admit I’m struggling on my MA but that’s the to using an engine and programming language I’m not familiar with to create an game

 

[Cali Yuga]

Yeh in my opinion you need high IQ to be a good programmer

Not everyone’s brain is wired for it. Doesn’t make them low iq tho, they could be genius in other fields ygm

high iq is necessary but insufficient for genius

intelligent people are good at math 99% unless youre like 160 plus and have savantism or something

thinking otherwise is cope

that said your int doesnt measure your value as a person like most normies implicitly believe

you prolly gonna have a hard time as sub 110 iq finishing the degree and its one of the easiest stem fields

110 is fine if you work hard and are good at navigating bureaucracy

there are women and niggers ive met who work in tech who id be surprised if they had over 100 iq

if you want to be actually good at it and meaningfully productive you need high iq

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

I’m a programmer - above average is fine in most cases rather than super high

 

[Cali Yuga]

Debatable I’m a nigger who is shit at maths and yet I can do just fine doing programming and stuff. And when I say bad I mean BAAAADD. I’m smart at every other subject but maths, I am a master at strategy games and skill based games that require reaction and quick thought. Yet cannot do math to save me, math doesn’t determine if one’s smart or dumb it jsut determines if your good at maths or not

youre probably like 110 and dont have the ability to comprehend what a +3std dev iq person thinks like

math is absolutely intelligence gated and highly correlated with intelligence, you're coping

basic translation level programming is bug tier

 

[thecel]

read the poast you illiterate nigger

i didnt say you need advanced math to be a programmer

i said you need an iq high enough that you would be decent at math

this is a heuristic useful for determining your relative int given that no one takes accurate iq tests and everyone takes math classes during compulsory education

you fucking monkey

Cope!

When you post about being “decent at math”, readers would conclude that you’re talking about high-level math. Because a person who isn’t decent at “1 + 1 = 2” is probably too low-IQ for literally any sort of employment. High IQ is simply not needed to be decent at such low levels of math. A bumbling 50-IQ idiot can add 2 numbers.

 

[Cali Yuga]

you need abv average but companies will squeeze every iq point you have in interviews since everyone can do the coding that they ask and they need to filter out the millions of subhumans

they can only hire like 20% asian/white guys now so they need to absolutely maximize the productivity of that minority and as such will interview harshly

if youre in that demo you have to carry the weight of a thousand dumb bitch project managers and frizzy haired mujer diversity coordinators on your back, they cant let it in people who are only competent

 

[Cali Yuga]

Cope!

When you talk about being “decent at math”, readers would conclude that you’re talking about high-level math. Because a person who’s not decent at “1 + 1 = 2” is probably too low-IQ for literally any sort of employment. High IQ is simply not needed to be decent at such low levels of math. A bumbling 50-IQ idiot can add 2 numbers.

you misunderstanding my post because youre illiterate doesnt prove anything about 'readers' or what they would conclude

just admit youre wrong i promise nothing bad will happen

 

[La creatura]

Being a code monkey will bring you nowhere
All sucessful guys in this industry got like that because they stole their nerdy roomate's ideas and capitalized it as their own

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

youre probably like 110 and dont have the ability to comprehend what a +3std dev iq person thinks like

math is absolutely intelligence gated and highly correlated with intelligence, you're coping

basic translation level programming is bug tier

So according to you I have an IQ of 70 because I suck super bad at math to the point I got the lowest scores all throughout school when I went, yet I brain mogg most people XD.

He won’t be a graphics programmer no shit that requires actual maths I have done it before and most of the class quit due to it being too hard but java, C#, Python etc these are lanaguegs that don’t require good math skills just enough to know 1 + 1 = 2.

 

[Deleted member 9801]

high iq is necessary but insufficient for genius

intelligent people are good at math 99% unless youre like 160 plus and have savantism or something

thinking otherwise is cope

that said your int doesnt measure your value as a person like most normies implicitly believe

I’m great at maths, got first class masters in Stem. While I agree people good at maths are usually intelligent, you can also have people bad at maths who are intelligent (in other areas). There’s 9 types of intelligences, logical is just one of them. Depends how the g factor is distributed, some people are verbal IQ moggers. Some are great dancers (kinesthetic intelligence, useless talent imo tho)

True, IQ doesn’t measure your worth nor your success in life. It can help tho…but it’s mainly your personality factors..take the 5 factor model for eg, a person who is top 1% in conscientiousness will most likely succeed at what they do, even with an average IQ…because they literally have God tier perseverance (genetically, can’t really aqcuire that world class work ethic)

 

[thecel]

you misunderstanding my post because youre illiterate doesnt prove anything about 'readers' or what they would conclude

just admit youre wrong i promise nothing bad will happen

What do you think being good at maths means?

 

[wollet2]

Being a code monkey will bring you nowhere
All sucessful guys in this industry got like that because they stole their nerdy roomate's ideas and capitalized it as their own

no being a smart code monkey that graduated from a decent uni will get you 6 figures

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I’m great at maths, got first class masters in Stem. While I agree people good at maths are usually intelligent, you can also have people bad at maths who are intelligent (in other areas). There’s 9 types of intelligences, logical is just one of them. Depends how the g factor is distributed, some people are verbal IQ moggers. Some are great dancers (kinesthetic intelligence, useless talent imo tho)

True, IQ doesn’t measure your worth nor your success in life. It can help tho…but it’s mainly your personality factors..take the 5 factor model for eg, a person who is top 1% in conscientiousness will most likely succeed at what they do, even with an average IQ…because they literally have God tier perseverance (genetically, can’t really aqcuire that world class work ethic)

Like me for instance I fit this category perfectly. I’m a verbal mogger very logical and abstract mogger, shit at maths though.

 

[La creatura]

Also no matter how much you amount to anything if you're not charismatic/presentable to the public no one will give a shit about you outside niche circles until after you're dead or worse.
See: Terry A. Davis. This man made a entire operational system by himself (TempleOS) which apparently was very well made. But unfortunately he's only known for being a potty-mouth actual schizo who believed the CIA was onto him then killed himself.

 

[thecel]

Also no matter how much you amount to anything if you're not charismatic/presentable to the public no one will give a shit about you outside niche circles until after you're dead or worse.
See: Terry A. Davis. This man made a entire operational system by himself (TempleOS) which apparently was very well made. But unfortunately he's only known for being a potty-mouth actual schizo who believed the CIA was onto him then killed himself.

Let’s make LooksOS

 

[Deleted member 9801]

What do you think being good at maths means?

Tbh objectively people who can understand mathematics up to at least 2nd year of university level, that’s the minimum “good at maths”. Solving 2nd order nonhomogenius differential equations, partial derivatives, gaussian’s elimination, using binomial theorem, knowing integration by parts, differentiating explicitly, Laplace transform, fourier series, etc etc, cba to think of more from top of my head it’s been a while since I had to do any of this

 

[Cali Yuga]

So according to you I have an IQ of 70 because I suck super bad at math to the point I got the lowest scores all throughout school when I went, yet I brain mogg most people XD.

He won’t be a graphics programmer no shit that requires actual maths I have done it before and most of the class quit due to it being too hard but java, C#, Python etc these are lanaguegs that don’t require good math skills just enough to know 1 + 1 = 2.

is english your second language?

I’m great at maths, got first class masters in Stem. While I agree people good at maths are usually intelligent, you can also have people bad at maths who are intelligent (in other areas). There’s 9 types of intelligences, logical is just one of them. Depends how the g factor is distributed, some people are verbal IQ moggers. Some are great dancers (kinesthetic intelligence, useless talent imo tho)

True, IQ doesn’t measure your worth nor your success in life. It can help tho…but it’s mainly your personality factors..take the 5 factor model for eg, a person who is top 1% in conscientiousness will most likely succeed at what they do, even with an average IQ…because they literally have God tier perseverance (genetically, can’t really aqcuire that world class work ethic)

There are not nine types of intelligence, there is general intelligence which is a single factor which measures complex problem solving ability and is correlated at different levels with different traits the average person would colloquially presume are indicative of intelligence. There is no such thing as verbal intelligence or dance intelligence. People who dont have the potential to be good at math are dumb.

The entire 'different types if int man were all beautiful unique butterflies man with our own talents im good at dancing that means im just as smart as newton man' narrative is a massive gigacope by people whose implicit worldview doesnt give them a way of assigning inherent value to people and are as such deeply uncomfortable with admitting that some people are objectively dumb and talentless and useless and some people are objectively intelligent and talented and useful.

"But other things like conscientiousness also affect vague life sucess or whatever man." Totally irrelevant to the conversation, more cope deflection. If you actually believed that IQ doesnt measure your self worth like actual high IQ people do you wouldnt feel that need to twist your psyche into labyrinthine knots coping like this.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

is english your second language?


There are not nine types of intelligence, there is general intelligence which is a single factor which measures complex problem solving ability and is correlated at different levels with different traits the average person would colloquially presume are indicative of intelligence. There is no such thing as verbal intelligence or dance intelligence. People who dont have the potential to be good at math are dumb.

The entire 'different types if int man were all beautiful unique butterflies man with our own talents im good at dancing that means im just as smart as newton man' narrative is a massive gigacope by people whose implicit worldview doesnt give them a way of assigning inherent value to people and are as such deeply uncomfortable with admitting that some people are objectively dumb and talentless and useless and some people are objectively intelligent and talented and useful.

"But other things like conscientiousness also affect vague life sucess or whatever man." Totally irrelevant to the conversation, more cope deflection. If you actually believed that IQ doesnt measure your self worth like actual high IQ people do you wouldnt feel that need to twist your psyche into labyrinthine knots coping like this.

I’m English make of that what you will. I’m just bad at maths and excel at everything else yet IQ mogg most people who blow me out of the water doing mathematics, it’s because of people like you why as a child and teen I was put in lower set classes all due to one test that happens to be in one subject I just couldn’t get a grip off maths. Even the teachers knew I was well above everybody in my class at every subject but due to ONE TEST determining your placement (maths) because of Assholes like you I was forced to ensure the shame of being put in classes with retards


Programming is about noticing patterns, memorisation of patterns and the ability to think free form. Knowledge of maths is unnecessary in a world with internet

 

[Mouthbreath]

If you want to make it in software, you need to slave away for the next 10 years.
1) go to a decent school
2) get several good internships
3) be good looking, make good impressions and vibe with the recruiters
4) have (extracurricular) activities where you "lead people", very important
5) Live and breath programming, have your own personal projects
6) Land a job at FAANG

The good news is that once you made it to step 6, the rest of your career is smooth sailing. Obviously not everyone makes it there.

 

[Deleted member 9801]

is english your second language?


There are not nine types of intelligence, there is general intelligence which is a single factor which measures complex problem solving ability and is correlated at different levels with different traits the average person would colloquially presume are indicative of intelligence. There is no such thing as verbal intelligence or dance intelligence. People who dont have the potential to be good at math are dumb.

The entire 'different types if int man were all beautiful unique butterflies man with our own talents im good at dancing that means im just as smart as newton man' narrative is a massive gigacope by people whose implicit worldview doesnt give them a way of assigning inherent value to people and are as such deeply uncomfortable with admitting that some people are objectively dumb and talentless and useless and some people are objectively intelligent and talented and useful.

"But other things like conscientiousness also affect vague life sucess or whatever man." Totally irrelevant to the conversation, more cope deflection. If you actually believed that IQ doesnt measure your self worth like actual high IQ people do you wouldnt feel that need to twist your psyche into labyrinthine knots coping like this.

The 9 Intelligences of MI Theory

Five-Factor Model of Personality

"Five-Factor Model of Personality" published on by null.

www.oxfordbibliographies.com

^educate yourself nigga. Nice essay to say you know fuck all about fuck all. You need higher “openess to experience”, aka stop being an egostistical know it all, cause you don’t

I’m 2sd above average IQ, so I’m not exactly low IQ

 

[Cali Yuga]

Like me for instance I fit this category perfectly. I’m a verbal mogger very logical and abstract mogger, shit at maths though.

math is just an abstract language that represents logical structures

if you were actually a verbal/logical/abstract 'mogger' you would be good at math

qed

 

[buckchadley31]

Not this bullshit again. Most programmers do not need more than basic, primary-school math. Devs rarely ever do high-school-level math, let alone university math and beyond. Most of the math used in normal coding is just arithmetic (e.g. adding two numbers together). And people don’t need to even be good at that stuff, for we have calculators and Google. I’ll say it again: programming does NOT need advanced math!

Wtf??? Unless you only want to do some shitty web development that any half brain dead pajeet bootcamp nigger can do.

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Just be like me and code in Linux command line and sql if you’re low IQ tbh

 

[thecel]

Wtf??? Unless you only want to do some shitty web development that any half brain dead pajeet bootcamp nigger can do.

What do you recommend?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

math is just an abstract language that represents logical structures

if you were actually a verbal/logical/abstract 'mogger' you would be good at math

qed

not true at all, whislt maths is logical the thought process to grasp certain concepts require more than MUH LOGIC to solve, I have never been a person who acted on emotion i act on logic every other logical field i excell in save for maths with required absurd shit like Pythagoras and shit to be competent at who TF wants to do that?

Abstract planning and thought out logical calculated approaches to concepts and things is my speciality even the IQ test at uni confirmed that in my results, I just cannot do maths

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Just be like me and code in Linux command line and sql if you’re low IQ tbh

Ahaha that’s what I’m going into XD how did you know. I decided to do Linux because it’s less work than programming and far easier I couldn’t grasp SQL and have no intention of learning that shit

 

[Cali Yuga]

The 9 Intelligences of MI Theory

Five-Factor Model of Personality

"Five-Factor Model of Personality" published on by null.

www.oxfordbibliographies.com

^educate yourself nigga. Nice essay to say you know fuck all about fuck all. You need higher “openess to experience”, aka stop being an egostistical know it all, cause you don’t

I’m 2sd above average IQ, so I’m not exactly low IQ

I know more about this than you

linking a paper about personality modeling you read the abstract of proves nothing

i know about personality modeling and five factor shit

intelligence has nothing to do with personality modelling

if you want to model 'success' or w/e in the world you need to account for personality traits but G has nothing to do with that

genius is personality involved because its a complex phenomena caused by the interaction of highyl irregular personality traits with high G but were not talking about genius either so its irrelevant

only relevance is conscientiousness mitigates the ability to measure g to some degree with classical testing methods because they require the subject to show up and try/etc.

The 9 Intelligences of MI Theory

i hope this one is a troll i stg please tell me its a troll

 

[Cali Yuga]

not true at all, whislt maths is logical the thought process to grasp certain concepts require more than MUH LOGIC to solve, I have never been a person who acted on emotion i act on logic every other logical field i excell in save for maths with required absurd shit like Pythagoras and shit to be competent at who TF wants to do that?

Abstract planning and thought out logical calculated approaches to concepts and things is my speciality even the IQ test at uni confirmed that in my results, I just cannot do maths

what score did you get from your 'iq test at uni'

 

[buckchadley31]

Just be like me and code in Linux command line and sql if you’re low IQ tbh

how is sql low iq?

 

[Deleted member 9801]

I know more about this than you

linking a paper about personality modeling you read the abstract of proves nothing

i know about personality modeling and five factor shit

intelligence has nothing to do with personality modelling

if you want to model 'success' or w/e in the world you need to account for personality traits but G has nothing to do with that

genius is personality involved because its a complex phenomena caused by the interaction of highyl irregular personality traits with high G but were not talking about genius either so its irrelevant

only relevance is conscientiousness mitigates the ability to measure g to some degree with classical testing methods because they require the subject to show up and try/etc.

The 9 Intelligences of MI Theory

i hope this one is a troll i stg please tell me its a troll

Yeh the weblink to 9 intelligence was low effort ngl lol

My point was not to link 5 factor model to intelligence, but rather with life success…I was saying you can succeed even with let’s say an average IQ if certain factors in your personality model are favourable (such as top tier conscientiousness as an eg)…

We’re making the same point so idk why you act like I said something else bro

 

[Deleted]

I am a master at strategy games

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

how is sql low iq?

It’s easier than learning something like Python or Java

Idk man I’m a SQL engineer and it just works well with my brain tbh- I assumed Java as python engineers are much smarter than me but maybe I don’t give myself enough credit for my IQ

I can also code in python a little bit but am severely out of practice as I don’t use it in my day job

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

what score did you get from your 'iq test at uni'

Well I got 50% it wasn’t a confimed IQ test but it used the same principles of a IQ test same kind of questions and you had to pass it to pass that module.

I was super sick at the time could barely walk up the stairs into the classroom to even sit the test was a shit week for me man. I arrived 15 mins late due to this and missed out the helping sheet the rest of the class had which helped students decipher questions. Even then I got 55% on the paper despite that and was told if I wasn’t Ill bad the help sheet and time I’d have easily gotten 80%+ and I do a stem course btw and got the avg result on that test. And I guarantee you I’d prob be the worst at maths on my course yet in IQ I prob mogged most of them

 

[Cali Yuga]

Yeh the weblink to 9 intelligence was low effort ngl lol

My point was not to link 5 factor model to intelligence, but rather with life success…I was saying you can succeed even with let’s say an average IQ if certain factors in your personality model are favourable (such as top tier conscientiousness as an eg)…

We’re making the same point so idk why you act like I said something else bro

success is irrelevant to the question

its like if we were talking about whether PCT or NCT was more attractive and you said "Being tall can get you girls so really its all relative because a tall person with NCT can still get girls."

Doesnt actually tell us anything about the question but does tell us that youre probably tall and have NCT and are coping.

 

[Cali Yuga]

Well I got 50% it wasn’t a confimed IQ test but it used the same principles of a IQ test same kind of questions and you had to pass it to pass that module.

I was super sick at the time could barely walk up the stairs into the classroom to even sit the test was a shit week for me man. I arrived 15 mins late due to this and missed out the helping sheet the rest of the class had which helped students decipher questions. Even then I got 55% on the paper despite that and was told if I wasn’t Ill bad the help sheet and time I’d have easily gotten 80%+ and I do a stem course btw and got the avg result on that test.

i dont even know what to say

i unironically wish you success and ill stop arguing with you because its futile

 

[looksmaxxed]

Not trying to be the CEO of the next Apple or anything, just want something that will get me by. Doing a meme degree currently and thinking about making the switch.

no, otherwise silicon valley would be filled with based conservatives and libertarians, not retarded liberal faggots

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

It’s easier than learning something like Python or Java

Idk man I’m a SQL engineer and it just works well with my brain tbh- I assumed Java as python engineers are much smarter than me but maybe I don’t give myself enough credit for my IQ

I can also code in python a little bit but am severely out of practice as I don’t use it in my day job

Cap
SQL is far harder than Python and Java not even debatable

 

[Deleted member 9801]

success is irrelevant to the question

its like if we were talking about whether PCT or NCT was more attractive and you said "Being tall can get you girls so really its all relative because a tall person with NCT can still get girls."

Doesnt actually tell us anything about the question but does tell us that youre probably tall and have NCT and are coping.

Yeh ik, but it’s just a side note on how 5 factor model matters more than IQ imo in life

Bottom line is, if we isolate the topic to IQ alone, you need an above average IQ to be a good programmer

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

i dont even know what to say

i unironically wish you success and ill stop arguing with you because its futile

Weird, my point was that humans are unique some may be bad at maths but smart. Others may be good at maths but dumbasses and low IQ.