Do you need PCT if you run test only cycle?

[appeal]

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[Rigged]

bryce, bronny and lebron combined are nothing compared to kelly oubre

I concur

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

I concur

if kelly was on that celtics team he would have 15 rings

 

[Rigged]

if kelly was on that celtics team he would have 15 rings

Yeh 15 rings hell get from shein for being the best bench warmer on the team

 

[Orc]

The cause of suppression wouldnt change how the MOA works, since the goal is stimulating the HPG it doesnt really matter weather its in HG or not, Clo and HCG are made to reverse the exact same suppression that from AAS use either way

there isn't any evidence that suggests that artificially stimulating the axis actually speeds up it's recovery.

If ur tryna say that recovery “just happens naturally” provide evidence that unassisted recovery is equally effective post cycle, u cant because the harleem study was the only one, and its very missinterpreted

the haarlem study is the only good long term study on this subject, I literally do not need more than that.

Also for the placebo point theres baseline - post treament comparisons, ignoring the studies just cause theres no placebo tests for obvious ethical reasons, is a bad way to think

if there's no placebo group I cannot make any comparison to people who haven't taken it so the study is useless in the context of pct or no pct.

 

[asdvek]

No

 

[Rigged]

there isn't any evidence that suggests that artificially stimulating the axis actually speeds up it's recovery.

Dawg i appreciate that u actually put in effort to learn compared to so many users on here i respect but thus is blatantly false if not then why would these drugs consistently increase test across conditions where the HPG axis is suppressed?

the haarlem study is the only good long term study on this subject, I literally do not need more than that.

Bro u cant ignore my points in a debate i read everything u say so please read everything i say, as i stated the harleem study averaged out at what 8 months till recovery? And the longest was 2 years? I know this study since it began i read it on pubmed 8 minutes after it dropped 2 years ago, a 8 month average to recovery isnt good, the harleem study proves recovery is guaranteed not that it will happen fast, which we need it to, also the harleem study doesnt disprove pct it only proves that pct isnt 100% needed to recover

if there's no placebo group I cannot make any comparison to people who haven't taken it so the study is useless in the context of pct or no pct.

Placebo is ideal but its not needed when baseline comparisons clearly show recovery acceleration, clo always increases LH, FSH, and testosterone by 100-200% over baseline in studies, it being consitent removes the need for placebo

U relying on the harleem study and dismising mechanistic evidence just tells me that u dont understand study design

hate to dickride again but u have blessed genetics dont try fixing something that doesnt apply to u, ofc i wont stop u do whatever u want but, if ull ignore my points then this whole convo is a waste of both our times

 

[Tallest person here]

omg why can no one give a straight answer i just want someone intelligent to tell me what to do

 

[ducksoover]

now ur right that the supression does happen its very short, as im sure u know leydig cells and sertoli cells make sure of that, now idk why ud bring up pct and add supression

I brought it up to show that using gear for 6-12 weeks for mediocre gains is completely retarded especially since you are fucking with your endocrine system, constantly shutting down and trying to revive your natural hormone production is dangerous.

they just basically govern hypertrophy and they are permanent, and as they are permanent they dont reverse post cylcle

You can't ever reach that potential naturally... even if what you are saying is true, what's the point of increasing your muscle capacity when you can't fulfil that extra capacity when you are natural? That's like adding more wheels on a bike and expecting it to go faster with two pedals.

u keep 75-85% post pct

ahahahahahahahah please mods kick this kid out

if anything u get healthier

HEALTHIER after 6 weeks of roids?

im done !

you are either a troll or a complete braindead narcy teen

 

[appeal]

HEALTHIER after 6 weeks of roids?

shit sounds retarded asf

 

[szolliontaraelis]

so why would you run the cycle?

let's look at what is going to happen.

You inject T, your body changes, you build muscle etc and then your natural testosterone production shuts down.

You continue to pin until your cycle ends (6-12 weeks).

You finish cycle and start PCT.. you being to lose gains and WILL lose about 80-100% because your natural testosterone cannot support your new muscle mass.

You have fucked your endocrine system for what? 6-12 weeks of gains? not even life changing gains, you will still look mediocre compared to many lifters.

Instead, if you're very serious about wanting muscle mass (that you don't care if your body changes forever) then you can do what many BB's do which is "blast and cruise". It's pretty self explanatory but you run a low dose of say T and anavar for example for most of the year and then blast other compounds when you feel like it. This way, when you hop off the heavy stuff your body won't drastically deflate like a balloon, you will slowly return close to your cruise baseline and even KEEP some gains from the heavy stuff.

Biggest guys I’ve seen don’t do b&c. The classic 4on/4off never goes wrong. I also doubt you ever used sarms let alone injectables or even orals.

 

[ducksoover]

shit sounds retarded asf

"hey lemme just blast tren year round and keep 80% of my gains when I hop off"

my brain hurts talking to these kids

 

[ducksoover]

Biggest guys I’ve seen don’t do b&c. The classic 4on/4off never goes wrong

many, many BBs are on it year round

 

[Rigged]

I brought it up to show that using gear for 6-12 weeks for mediocre gains is completely retarded especially since you are fucking with your endocrine system, constantly shutting down and trying to revive your natural hormone production is dangerous.

You can't ever reach that potential naturally... even if what you are saying is true, what's the point of increasing your muscle capacity when you can't fulfil that extra capacity when you are natural? That's like adding more wheels on a bike and expecting it to go faster with two pedals.


ahahahahahahahah please mods kick this kid out


HEALTHIER after 6 weeks of roids?

im done !

you are either a troll or a complete braindead narcy teen

Jesus ur so fucking stupid how do u ignore 90% of my points, and the things u do talk address u clearly dont know what ur talking about smh

And someone u still call me a troll mods should mass ban retards like u argue just to argue with no knowledge on what theyre tryna say

 

[Rigged]

I brought it up to show that using gear for 6-12 weeks for mediocre gains is completely retarded especially since you are fucking with your endocrine system, constantly shutting down and trying to revive your natural hormone production is dangerous.

U dont understand how much the HPG axis can take, and its not constantly shutting down?? Endo supression is transient when u do a proper cycle, hCG mimics LH to maintain leydig cell function and serms restore GnRH, theres studies prove that short cycles dont harm the endo

You can't ever reach that potential naturally... even if what you are saying is true, what's the point of increasing your muscle capacity when you can't fulfil that extra capacity when you are natural? That's like adding more wheels on a bike and expecting it to go faster with two pedals.

Muscle growth isnt limited to the current anabolic environmeny, myonuclear accreation PERMANNTLY increase the ceiling, doesnt matter how ur hormones are post cycle

Also for the bike analogy this isnt adding wheels, its like upgrading the drive train, or in a motorcycle upragding an engine

ahahahahahahahah please mods kick this kid out


HEALTHIER after 6 weeks of roids?

Yes under controlled conditions and proper ancilaries, it would be healthier, i listed why and u completely ignored that ur a retard

im done !

you are either a troll or a complete braindead narcy teen

@appealmaxed how r u dickriding niggas like these the last guy and now him, also did u actually scam ppl for DNP lol

 

[ducksoover]

Muscle growth isnt limited to the current anabolic environmeny, myonuclear accreation PERMANNTLY increase the ceiling, doesnt matter how ur hormones are post cycle

doesn't matter how high the ceiling is, you are naturally LIMITED.

Yes under controlled conditions and proper ancilaries, it would be healthier, i listed why and u completely ignored that ur a retard

bahahahaha
GOODBYE LOL

 

[ducksoover]

ur a retard

but you said people can keep 80& of gains when they hop off... dude.. please delete your account

 

[Rigged]

doesn't matter how high the ceiling is, you are naturally LIMITED.


bahahahaha
GOODBYE LOL

Omg what a debunk ur so fucking smart “goodbye lol” how could i counter this what an insane move

 

[Rigged]

but you said people can keep 80& of gains when they hop off... dude.. please delete your account

Ironic u ignored every point i made and i could easily prove that 80% figure yet u dont want to read or reply lmao

 

[ducksoover]

Omg what a debunk ur so fucking smart “goodbye lol” how could i counter this what an insane move

"steroids are good for you"
"you can keep 80% of gains from steroids even after coming off"

I can't