Do you really need to lift heavy at all ? (is it necessary)

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Doesn't lifting heavier then your bodyweight cause stress on your ligaments and cartillage ? I'm pretty sure your already strong if you can bench press,squat and deadlift your own bodyweight. What do you guys think ?

 

[Deleted member 17763]

I'm pretty sure your already strong if you can bench press,squat and deadlift your own bodyweight.

 

[Deleted member 14077]

you dont just a lie told by those fat men who brag prs focus on aesthetics ONLY if you have good genetics. if not do become those heavy fat liftersj

 

[ShortMulatto]

I’m around 150 pounds and bench 185 and im one of the smallest guys in the college gym, most of these guys are benching over 225 even ones without that impressive physiques

 

[randomuser2407]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 3 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

 

[Oberyn]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 2 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

ohp 105x8
bench 190x4
Cable row 180x8
Deadlift 255x5
6'1 163lbs

I look like shit is there hope for me?

 

[randomuser2407]

you dont just a lie told by those fat men who brag prs focus on aesthetics ONLY if you have good genetics. if not do become those heavy fat liftersj

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[randomuser2407]

ohp 105x8
bench 190x4
Cable row 180x8
Deadlift 255x5
6'1 163lbs

I look like shit is there hope for me?

Show pictures first before saying such things

 

[Oberyn]

Show pictures first before saying such things

gonna dm.

 

[Deleted member 14077]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I DO KNOW FUCK TOU I

 

[Deleted member 14077]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Fuck youuu bitch i do know you dont need heavy lifts in fact you can suck my 4 incher

 

[randomuser2407]

Fuck youuu bitch i do know you dont need heavy lifts in fact you can suck my 4 incher

You sound like the retarded youtuber called Genetic Beast.

 

[randomuser2407]

I DO KNOW FUCK TOU I

 

[Deleted member 14077]

You sound like the retarded youtuber called Genetic Beast.

I am a genetic beast but im lasy and my brain is lazier i only do push workouts

 

[Deleted member 14077]

Not even this hahaha youll get mogged by skiny with abs and good delts suck my ass

 

[randomuser2407]

I am a genetic beast but im lasy and my brain is lazier i only do push workouts

OK, so you're neglecting the quads, hamstrings, glutes, forearms, upper back, traps, lower back, abs, biceps and lats, and training only chest, shoulders and triceps?

You're going to end up with a weird looking physique.

 

[Deleted member 14077]

OK, so you're neglecting the quads, hamstrings, glutes, forearms, upper back, traps, lower back, abs, biceps and lats, and training only chest, shoulders and triceps?

You're going to end up with a weird looking physique.

The only muscles to train is legs pecs delts abs and lats ezy the rest comes from idk

 

[randomuser2407]

Not even this hahaha youll get mogged by skiny with abs and good delts suck my ass

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you don't focus on all the muscle groups, you won't be anywhere near as big as you could be.

 

[Deleted member 14077]

OK, so you're neglecting the quads, hamstrings, glutes, forearms, upper back, traps, lower back, abs, biceps and lats, and training only chest, shoulders and triceps?

You're going to end up with a weird looking physique.

Also forearms and biceps naturally

 

[Deleted member 17763]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

jfl you are the king of terrible takes regarding lifting

 

[Deleted member 14077]

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you don't focus on all the muscle groups, you won't be anywhere near as big as you could be.

I do know i am sad im nit a skinny bitch boy with a pink pussy instead i have a big daddy body and need to fuck pink boys over for me

 

[Deleted member 14077]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 3 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

Wowza! SHUT UP YOU DONT NEED A SINGL3CPATH TO GREATNESS i mog you eat my cum benevolent brother

 

[randomuser2407]

jfl you are the king of terrible takes regarding lifting

Do you even lift bro?

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Do you even lift bro?

Imagine unironically thinking strength and muscle mass are perfectly correlated and height/bw and strength aren't strongly correlated. It's like you're trying to be a moron, this shit is so basic

 

[randomuser2407]

Imagine unironically thinking strength and muscle mass are perfectly correlated and height/bw and strength aren't strongly correlated. It's like you're trying to be a moron, this shit is so basic

I'm not saying that height doesn't have an impact. What I am saying is that bodyweight multipliers are stupid because strength is not proportional to how much you weigh, and the taller you are, the more you will weigh anyways, so limiting yourself based on how much you weigh because you want a 2x bodyweight bench is stupid.

Also, strength and size are directly linked for natural lifters, in the sense that the stronger you are, the bigger you are, if you don't neglect any muscle groups. Powerlifters don't look aesthetic because they neglect some muscle groups and because their genetics make them better at gaining strength than gaining muscle mass, which is why they compete in the sport. But most people have average genetics so they don't fit into that category, and even for those who are in that situation, nothing can fix having bad muscle building genetics except for drugs.

As for high reps vs low reps, there isn't much of a difference in terms of strength vs muscle gain, because whether you do 3 sets of 6-10 reps vs 5 sets of 5 reps, as long as the total volume (aka tonnage) is the same, then the progress in strength and muscle mass will be the same.

 

[randomuser2407]

Wowza! SHUT UP YOU DONT NEED A SINGL3CPATH TO GREATNESS i mog you eat my cum benevolent brother

I have never witnessed that much cringe in a comment before

 

[Deleted member 17763]

strength is not proportional to how much you weigh

I don't even know how you can unironically believe this, there's a reason all the people with the best absolute lifts are giants that weigh a fuck ton and are fat. There's a reason competitive power lifting is separated into weight classes.

Also, strength and size are directly linked for natural lifters, in the sense that the stronger you are, the bigger you are, if you don't neglect any muscle groups.

This is just incorrect. They're obviously strongly correlated but you're massively oversimplifying it and strength isn't just based off muscle size. When powerlifters train in super low rep ranges they're training their nervous system to handle heavy weight just as much, if not more, than they're training their muscles. Go to a powerlifting meet and you will see skinny guys who are strong as fuck. This is also why you can't precisely determine someone's one rep max based off say their 12 rep max, different people are more or less apt at moving heavy weight for extremely low rep ranges because it's two different things with different variables in play

 

[randomuser2407]

I don't even know how you can unironically believe this, there's a reason all the people with the best absolute lifts are giants that weigh a fuck ton and are fat. There's a reason competitive power lifting is separated into weight classes.


This is just incorrect. They're obviously strongly correlated but you're massively oversimplifying it and strength isn't just based off muscle size. When powerlifters train in super low rep ranges they're training their nervous system to handle heavy weight just as much, if not more, than they're training their muscles. Go to a powerlifting meet and you will see skinny guys who are strong as fuck. This is also why you can't precisely determine someone's one rep max based off say their 12 rep max, different people are more or less apt at moving heavy weight for extremely low rep ranges because it's two different things with different variables in play

Like I said, powerlifters are an anomaly, not the norm, because they have genetics that make them stronger pound for pound, so even if they did more training volume, they would still be much stronger than they look. This is not something that can be changed by training, only drugs can allow you to surpass your genetic limitations.

In my case, I have really good genetics for the lower body but bad genetics for the upper body, especially the arms. So my legs and glutes grow very fast but my arms grow very slowly, and I train both my lower body and upper body in the same manner but I do more volume for my upper body.

What I am saying is not just something I read but something I tried on myself and that is why I know what works and what doesn't for natural lifters. The people who will claim that you can separate strength and size are usually people who have gotten their results through the use of anabolic steroids or who have good genetics.

I know a guy who is 6 foot tall who has 16 inch arms but can only curl 50 lbs, while I have 13 inch arms and I can curl 70 lbs for 8 reps.

And I didn't get to that point by training with 1 rep maxes, I got to that point by training with 3 sets of 8-12 reps, so it's clearly not a matter of volume but simply genetics. I also know a guy who is 6 foot 5 who started lifting with a 135 lb bench press and he already had big muscles, while I started with a very skinny physique and I was unable to bench press the bar. So he has better genetics than me.

But I also know a youtuber called Maxx Chewning who has chicken legs even though he can squat 450 lbs and deadlift 615 lbs.
Meanwhile, I can only squat 155 lbs for 7 reps and deadlift 240 lbs for 8 reps and my legs are almost as big as his. Again, this is simply a matter of genetics.

 

[randomuser2407]

I don't even know how you can unironically believe this, there's a reason all the people with the best absolute lifts are giants that weigh a fuck ton and are fat. There's a reason competitive power lifting is separated into weight classes.


This is just incorrect. They're obviously strongly correlated but you're massively oversimplifying it and strength isn't just based off muscle size. When powerlifters train in super low rep ranges they're training their nervous system to handle heavy weight just as much, if not more, than they're training their muscles. Go to a powerlifting meet and you will see skinny guys who are strong as fuck. This is also why you can't precisely determine someone's one rep max based off say their 12 rep max, different people are more or less apt at moving heavy weight for extremely low rep ranges because it's two different things with different variables in play

 

[Deleted member 17763]

I watched until he listed the points that he’s gonna make.

The intro where he discusses bigger muscles producing more force with the maxx chewning example is a red herring. It’s true but that doesn’t mean there’s not still massive variability within that relationship of muscle size and strength. And genetics are of course a factor but he’s leaving out the factor of what you train for which is massive.

I still think spending a significant amount of time training for strength is very important even for the ultimate goal of size, especially if you’re natural. But this shit is way more nuanced than you or alpha destiny seem to understand or want to admit. If it wasn’t and it was all just genetics then bodybuilders and powerlifters wouldn’t have such radically different training methods. But they do

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Went looking for this in the comments and didn’t have to scroll far, this pretty much sums up my point

 

[randomuser2407]

I watched until he listed the points that he’s gonna make.

The intro where he discusses bigger muscles producing more force with the maxx chewning example is a red herring. It’s true but that doesn’t mean there’s not still massive variability within that relationship of muscle size and strength. And genetics are of course a factor but he’s leaving out the factor of what you train for which is massive.

I still think spending a significant amount of time training for strength is very important even for the ultimate goal of size, especially if you’re natural. But this shit is way more nuanced than you or alpha destiny seem to understand or want to admit. If it wasn’t and it was all just genetics then bodybuilders and powerlifters wouldn’t have such radically different training methods. But they do

Most powerlifters and bodybuilders are on drugs, so like I said, you can't use them as examples because the rules automatically change once you start taking steroids because it has an effect on protein synthesis. Also, some drugs make you stronger without making you bigger while other drugs make you bigger without making you stronger.

Like I said in my comment, I trained with low reps and with high reps, with low volume and high volume, with low frequency and high frequency, and what I noticed is that no matter how I trained, my legs grew way faster than my arms. I started training my arms a long time ago, but I started training my legs only in 2021, and I gained much more size on my legs in a much shorter timeframe, and I was doing less volume and only a frequency of 2 times per week, so it is simply a matter of genetics and not training style.

I also mentioned 3 separate examples of people who have different genetics from me. One of them has big but weak arms, another one has strong but small legs, and one of them was already very muscular before he started lifting.

Genetics give some advantages and disadvantages but the most important thing is that if you train hard, you can still fix your weaknesses.

 

[randomuser2407]

View attachment 1616985
Went looking for this in the comments and didn’t have to scroll far, this pretty much sums up my point

He does not even look like he lifts, why should anyone take this guy seriously?

 

[Deleted member 17763]

Most powerlifters and bodybuilders are on drugs, so like I said, you can't use them as examples because the rules automatically change once you start taking steroids because it has an effect on protein synthesis. Also, some drugs make you stronger without making you bigger while other drugs make you bigger without making you stronger.

Like I said in my comment, I trained with low reps and with high reps, with low volume and high volume, with low frequency and high frequency, and what I noticed is that no matter how I trained, my legs grew way faster than my arms. I started training my arms a long time ago, but I started training my legs only in 2021, and I gained much more size on my legs in a much shorter timeframe, and I was doing less volume and only a frequency of 2 times per week, so it is simply a matter of genetics and not training style.

I also mentioned 3 separate examples of people who have different genetics from me. One of them has big but weak arms, another one has strong but small legs, and one of them was already very muscular before he started lifting.

Genetics give some advantages and disadvantages but the most important thing is that if you train hard, you can still fix your weaknesses.

Dude just because people take drugs and people have different genetics doesn’t mean those are the only factors. You always make everything about being natty and how everyone’s on juice. I’ve been surrounded by both classes of individuals, it’s a factor but it’s completely beside the point right now

He does not even look like he lifts, why should anyone take this guy seriously?

Jesus dude are you seriously analyzing people by their YouTube profile pictures instead of the merit of what they’re saying? You’re such a moron with so little self awareness that you can’t accept that you’re wrong in order to learn something new. It’s over youre simply unintelligent and clearly can’t be helped

 

[JamesHowlett]

There’s no need to lift less than 6 reps.

There IS a need to train hard and implement progressive overload.

 

[Deleted member 17027]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 3 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

ay bruh Im 15 how long for me 2 hit those numbers also
my joints crack no matter what they hurt , i do workout after they will start hurting


let me explain my joints doe cuhz its unique even my skinniest friend ain got this

if i extend my all the way arms hey will crack i can crack every bone on command if i do a certain motion
my wrist got this EVERYTHIGN in my body got this
my neck my back my shoulders my clavicles
hips 2

I tried body weight excersize and its the same i cant do pushups with out after i finish the set my wrist feel like they bouta break and shit
i can do 50+ pushups tho and my form is fucked up either i got my brother telling me if my form is bad

how do i stop this i cant workout no mo started yearss ago doctor told me 2 workout but i cant

 

[TeenAscender]

ay bruh Im 15 how long for me 2 hit those numbers also
my joints crack no matter what they dont hurt unless i do workout after they will start hurting


let me explain my joints doe cuhz its unique even my skinniest friend ain got this

if i extend my all the way arms hey will crack i can crack every bone on command if i do a certain motion
my wrist got this EVERYTHIGN in my body got this
my neck my back my shoulders my clavicles
hips 2

I tried body weight excersize and its the same i cant do pushups with out after i finish the set my wrist feel like they bouta break and shit
i can do 50+ pushups tho and my form is fucked up either i got my brother telling me if my form is bad

how do i stop this i cant workout no mo started yearss ago doctor told me 2 workout but i cant

Hop on Mk677, K2 MK4 and hard bulk high carb high protein and your joints will stop hurting

 

[Deleted member 17027]

Hop on Mk677, K2 MK4 and hard bulk high carb high protein and your joints will stop hurting

i was on Mk677 + cjc dac 5mg(suposibly this makes hgh pharma leves said by mpmd) weekly tryna get inches in my height and my joitns were stil buggin and i was eating good cause Mk677 + weed had me eating hella

 

[TeenAscender]

i was on Mk677 + cjc dac 5mg(suposibly this makes hgh pharma leves said by mpmd) weekly tryna get inches in my height and my joitns were stil buggin and i was eating good cause Mk677 + weed had me eating hella

Weird, maybe try glucosamine or something

 

[Deleted member 17027]

Weird, maybe try glucosamine or something

dude im 15 and i have swollen lymph nodes on my neck and under my jaw
u think this is a sign of cancer i asked my doctor abt it and that nigga just touched it and said i was chillin but idk

 

[TeenAscender]

dude im 15 and i have swollen lymph nodes on my neck and under my jaw
u think this is a sign of cancer i asked my doctor abt it and that nigga just touched it and said i was chillin but idk

Ask @SubhumanCurrycel

Yeah that doc is fucked go to another one ig

 

[Deleted member 17027]

Ask @SubhumanCurrycel

Yeah that doc is fucked go to another one ig

aight thanks g

 

[klamus]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 3 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

1/2/3/4
Will get you looking pretty dyel unless you Have those numbers at 10%

 

[randomuser2407]

1/2/3/4
Will get you looking pretty dyel unless you Have those numbers at 10%

No, actually it is the opposite. The leaner you are, the more defined your muscles look, but the fatter you are, the bigger your muscles look. However, you will start to see diminishing returns if you surpass 20% body fat, or if you go below 10% body fat. So the best range is between 10 and 20%. 10% for defined, and 20% for big.

Natural lifters cannot look big while lean, so you have to choose between the 2.

Lean looks better on pictures or when shirtless.
Big looks better while wearing a shirt but can still look decent while shirtless.

 

[kalefartbomb]

Going to have to hard disagree with the absolute strength stuff because I've seen far too many powerlifters now who overall aren't big or impressive for their strength. Max Chewning, Candito, Omar Isuf, even Alan Thrall doesn't look that great for how his life revolves around strength.

What develops muscles is progressive overload, nothing else matters. Progressive overload can be achieved with resistance, but it can also be achieved by using more disadvantageous leverages, longer time under tension, less rest time, pre-exhausting, post-failure techniques etc. I personally do a lot of pre-exhaust stuff, which is great for gains but bad for the ego. Do a set of bodyweight VMO squats to failure before a set of barbell squats and you will struggle with half your normal poundage but you will get a much better quad workout.

But keep in mind that bones and tendons do respond to absolute strength, so for example while you can grow great quads with lighter leg presses with high time under tension and going past failure with a partner, if you squat the weight will feel heavier on your skeleton than if you had trained for absolute strength. So I'd suggest doing at least some strength training to supplement hypertrophy training, for the sake of bone and tendon health.

It's just if someone says you have to bench X lbs to grow a chest, it's bullshit. You have no idea how many guys built decent pecs with nothing but a pec deck and good form.

 

[Rabbi]

dude im 15 and i have swollen lymph nodes on my neck and under my jaw
u think this is a sign of cancer i asked my doctor abt it and that nigga just touched it and said i was chillin but idk

Jesus Christ get that shit scanned asap

 

[Deleted member 2998]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 3 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

As a newbie, could I lift gain muscle while losing bodyfat?

 

[Deleted member 17027]

y

As a newbie, could I lift gain muscle while losing bodyfat?

yeah dey said workout hard asf while in a calorie defieciet
if ur fat add cardio i guess

 

[Broski]

Same bro I'm 150lbs at 5'10 and my current max is 205lbs and some people can bench 225lbs on the merit of being fat/weighing more than 225lbs

I’m around 150 pounds and bench 185 and im one of the smallest guys in the college gym, most of these guys are benching over 225 even ones without that impressive physiques

 

[qsabathi]

It's not a matter of how much of your bodyweight you can lift, what matters most is absolute strength.

To actually look like you lift, you need to be able to overhead press 135 lbs for 5 reps, bench press 225 lbs for 5 reps, squat 315 lbs for 5 reps, and deadlift 405 lbs for 5 reps.

Until you can do that (or get close to that), you will not look like you lift.

And then, to actually look huge, you need to be able to do a 100 lb weighted chin up, a 200 lb overhead press, a 300 lb bench press, a 400 lb squat and a 500 lb deadlift.

A stronger muscle IS a bigger muscle. You cannot get big without getting strong, there is no way around it, but you don't get to those numbers in a few days, it takes years.

The first set of standards that I mentioned can be reached in 1 year of proper strength training, the second set of standards can be reached in 3 years of proper strength training.

The reason why most people do not look like they lift is because they can only bench press 135 lbs, they don't overhead press, they don't do rows, they don't do pull ups and they don't do full range of motion squats and they can't deadlift more than 135 lbs and with bad form.
Weak people will never look like they lift unless they have really good genetics or are on high amounts of anabolic steroids, those are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.

The reason why powerlifters don't look aesthetic is because they only focus on the big 3, which trains only the chest, quads, hamstrings and glutes, upper back, traps and lower back, so they neglect the shoulders, triceps, biceps and lats, and also, they tend to have genetics that make them look smaller and be stronger. So they are not a good example to follow.

I kind of agree with this but only to a certain extent. I don't think you need to be doing huge numbers to get big and look like you lift. I only think you need to do a weight that is fairly heavy but you are comfortable with. Once you have the baseline strength for certain heavy lifts then I think reps and chasing a pump matter much more. Also no matter what you do you wont look huge depending on your frame and insertions, I know plenty of Asians who lift blow me out of the water in terms of strength but aren't super large dude to their frame and insertions while alot have been saying I look huge recently despite only recently starting lifting and gaining 20 ibs of fat and muscle.