Do You Support Abortion?

[RedShogun271]

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What is the child’s skin color?

 

[Niebvll]

Still gotta give birth which is risky

yeah instead of driving a car down a road with other cars being driven (risky because of accident) lets just justify killing all other drivers inbeforehand to eliminate the potential risk
You see the issue?

 

[tertaf]

So let the child suffer under the roof of a mom who’s not ready to raise her? What if she’s poor. Stupid ahh

don’t most pro-lifers support abortion for rape?

 

[TechnoBoss]

There's literally no reason not to support it. Do you want the government to ban everything? I don't. I don't want the government telling anyone they can't do something.

People always make an exception when it comes to rape, incest, etc. I don't understand how people can make exceptions to terminate the pregnancy in these circumstances. Isn't it always killing a baby and thus it would be wrong? I don't agree.

 

[jeremyy]

No.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

yeah instead of driving a car down a road with other cars being driven (risky because of accident) lets just justify killing all other drivers inbeforehand to eliminate the potential risk
You see the issue?

Raped person is not choosing that risk/responsibility, false analogy

 

[Niebvll]

There's literally no reason not to support it

Except that its murder
But yeah no government bans or something
Lets legalize everything

 

[Resonance]

I believe its morally wrong to kill the baby for an action it had no fault or involvement in
Its bad for the child, but that doesnt justify any action taken on the baby

i'd rather babies be born with parents that actually want it rather than having a parent who literally will see you as nothing but trauma.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

don’t most pro-lifers support abortion for rape?

Im not sure but a lot of them don’t

 

[TechnoBoss]

Except that its murder
But yeah no government bans or something
Lets legalize everything

It's murder in YOUR opinion. I don't believe it's murder at all.

 

[Niebvll]

Raped person is not choosing that risk/responsibility

lets just kill all your family members (risk of murder etc from them against you) to eliminate the potential risk
You didnt choose the risk the family you were born into poses either

 

[Niebvll]

It's murder in YOUR opinion.

It is by objective morals which is by definition not my opinion
I would actually love abortion to not be murder it would be a great option for a lot of things

I don't believe it's murder at all.

Then define murder for me

 

[buccalfatremoval]

Yes and no

Yes because less foids and subhumans to be born

No because why give women freedom? And they should suffer carrying that child for months then years raising it.

 

[Niebvll]

i'd rather babies be born with parents that actually want it rather than having a parent who literally will see you as nothing but trauma.

I'd rather babies be born.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

lets just kill all your family members (risk of murder etc from them against you) to eliminate the potential risk
You didnt choose the risk the family you were born into poses either

Another analogy that makes no sense since

 

[NDfinaleboss]

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Yes. If you dint support abortion you have room temp iq

 

[Resonance]

I'd rather babies be born.

and have shit lives?

 

[tertaf]

Yes. If you dint support abortion you have room temp iq

what’re your thoughts on LGBTQIA+ rights?

 

[Niebvll]

Another analogy that makes no sense since

Whats wrong about the analogy

Risk you didnt choose (birth, family members)
Preemptive method to eliminate the risk resulting in murder
What am I missing?

 

[TechnoBoss]

It is by objective morals which is by definition not my opinion
I would actually love abortion to not be murder it would be a great option for a lot of things

Objective morals? I don't even know what you're talking about. How is it objectively immoral when it's not a person yet?

Then define murder for me

Murder is killing a person. The fertilized egg is not a person yet until it's born.

 

[Niebvll]

and have shit lives?

and have lives
Its up to them whether theyre worth living. At any given point can they kill themselves

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Risk you didnt choose (birth, family members)

What’s the risk of this

Preemptive method to eliminate the risk resulting in murder

presupposes that abortion is murder

 

[Swarthy Knight]

1000%. never understood incels’ fascination with having kids. Tho I guess it makes sense for white brahs, given their situation

 

[NDfinaleboss]

what’re your thoughts on LGBTQIA+ rights?

I think they should be the same as heterosexual rights. More often than not those who are homophobic are just suppressing their own gay thoughts, and as long as you are not a faggot and push your sexuality onto other people I could care less who you are fucking

 

[Resonance]

and have lives
Its up to them whether theyre worth living. At any given point can they kill themselves

so have babies be born just to be killed later on? lol.

id rather them die early than run the risk of their negative upbringing having consequences for others.

 

[tertaf]

More often than not those who are homophobic are just suppressing their own gay thoughts

retarded logic

 

[Niebvll]

Objective morals?

Objectivity in morality must exist due to the lack of universal consensus

I don't even know what you're talking about.

It shows

How is it objectively immoral when it's not a person yet?

Because it is a person infact

Murder is killing a person.

So killing in self defense is murder in your opinion?
You earlier implied you agree with murder being wrong, is self defense wrong if it results in killing another person?

The fertilized egg is not a person yet until it's born.

Then explain how exactly birth influences personhood, and at what point in birth does one start being a person?
In classical post 14weeks abortion where the parts of the baby body are ripped off and taken out of the women, it kind of replicates seperated birth processes doesnt it

 

[SharkBlitzz]

Yes, next question.

 

[Niebvll]

so have babies be born just to be killed later on?

Possibly*
And by their own decision

id rather them die early than run the risk of their negative upbringing having consequences for others.

You would, its up to them if they would've. I for example would rather decide over whether I get to live myself

 

[willtopoweriqmaxxer]

Yeah, being forced to care for a child you don't want to raise seems worse than prison

lol nigga what is ur account almost a decade on org get a life

 

[Niebvll]

What’s the risk of this

At any given moment can any of them murder you, just as any other person can

presupposes that abortion is murder

It does because it eventually comes down to this

 

[ICXCLuvr]

At any given moment can any of them murder you, just as any other person can

nah different risk rate

It does because it eventually comes down to this

irs not murder it has 0 agency or pain

 

[NDfinaleboss]

and have lives
It’s up to them whether theyre worth living. At any given point can they kill themselves

It’s not that easy. There’s a lot of trauma involved when anybody kills themselves and a very negative social stigma around it. Why have a kid and put time, money, and effort into raising them just for them to rope? Isn’t it better to avoid the birth overall at that point. Your argument is very weak and I am aware that mine isn’t perfect and you have no idea of what someone will do before their birth, but if someone doesn’t have the resources to raise a child; or simply doesn’t want to they should be able to have an abortion. Why have a kid if you don’t want one?

 

[NDfinaleboss]

nah different risk rate

irs not murder it has 0 agency or pain

Iqlets love to act like a fetus is a sentient human being, why don’t they complain about livestock being “murdered” for food

 

[Niebvll]

nah different risk rate

LOL
The principle is the same, risk rates are irrelevant if the risk exists

irs not murder it has 0 agency or pain

Nigga is saying killing paralysed people isnt murder either
Saar murder is only when killing causes pain and the subject can control themselves

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Nigga is saying killing paralysed people isnt murder either

It’s ethical

Doctors pull plugs on paralyzed people

 

[Niebvll]

It’s not that easy. There’s a lot of trauma involved when anybody kills themselves and a very negative social stigma around it.

this is absolutely irrelevant as any social stigma would not affect them while being dead lol

Why have a kid and put time, money, and effort into raising them just for them to rope?

youre acting like thats a definitive outcome?
thats absolutely surreal
the reality is that only a fraction of the population commits suicide, the goal in denying abortion is to give the children the option

Isn’t it better to avoid the birth overall at that point.

no its not fucktard

Your argument is very weak

Its only weak if you dont believe in any right to life or right to self control of development

and I am aware that mine isn’t perfect and you have no idea of what someone will do before their birth, but if someone doesn’t have the resources to raise a child

No but I have about a dozen ideas of what they can do with it instead of killing it off
Youre also choosing comfort over a life, interesting decisions
And again using one theoretical outcome while leaving out all others

or simply doesn’t want to they should be able to have an abortion. Why have a kid if you dont want one?

Why have a kid if you don’t want one?
Why have a mother if you dont want one?
Murder her
Why have classmates if you dont want any?
Murder them

This logic cant be taken seriously

 

[NDfinaleboss]

Nigga is saying killing paralysed people isnt murder either
Saar murder is only when killing causes pain and the subject can control themselves

False analogy and strawman fallacy jfl you are an idiot
- paralyzed people are sentient, a fetus is not. A fetus cannot form thoughts and has no sense of self. The paralytic does.
-murder is killing a sentient and conscious being. A fetus is neither conscious nor sentient.
By the definition you are implying of murder, using pesticide is murder because it kills insects. And jerking off is murder because the sperm in the semen die.

 

[Niebvll]

It’s ethical

Its absolutely not
Also partial paralysation exists and agency in them is questionable
Consciousness also continues in paralysed people

Doctors pull plugs on paralyzed people

How does this make it ethical?

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Its absolutely not
Also partial paralysation exists and agency in them is questionable
Consciousness also continues in paralysed people

How does this make it ethical?

If they can’t speak walk and have to eat from a tube and have no way of controlling themselves or communicating at all and have to be constantly changed by caretakers just for them to continue being fed from a tube and just being there then yeah I’d pull the plug even if it was myself.

We have no way of knowing if they like it but we can assume that most would not like it, it’s ethical to me

 

[Niebvll]

False analogy and strawman fallacy jfl you are an idiot
- paralyzed people are sentient, a fetus is not.

He never mentioned this as a requirement FUCKTARD

A fetus cannot form thoughts and has no sense of self. The paralytic does.

they will develop the ability, thus I argue that they always had the possibility to do so

-murder is killing a sentient and conscious being.

He gave a different definition
Youre not even considering what I replied to retard

A fetus is neither conscious nor sentient.

It will be, again see above

By the definition you are implying of murder, using pesticide is murder because it kills insects.

No its not because insects dont have personhood
retarded point

And jerking off is murder because the sperm in the semen die.

They are never set to become developed humans, another retarded point
You talking about strawmans and bringing this bullshit up
Insta ignorelist not dealing with this IQLET bs at 4am

 

[Itzsimpledude]

I say just have sex with a condom if you don't want to face the consequences of having unprotected sexual intercourse

 

[Niebvll]

If they can’t speak walk and have to eat from a tube and have no way of controlling themselves or communicating at all and have to be constantly changed by caretakers just for them to continue being fed from a tube and just being there then yeah I’d pull the plug even if it was myself.

See how at first its about a bunch of other people and then you justify a terminal permanent decision for them all on just your preference

We have no way of knowing if they like it but we can assume that most would not like it, it’s ethical to me

We cant assume that at all but knowing this is ethical to you I can see your morals
Im fine with you supporting abortion, you clearly dont value the life of a person

 

[iblamemyhabits]

ngas dont support abortion until its them who got a girl pregnant
imo abortion should be circumstancial

 

[yushmaxx]

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yes

90% of poverty is caused by niggas having kids for no reason

 

[ICXCLuvr]

your preference

General preference for anyone who can comprehend being paralyzed, you likely wouldn’t want to live that way alongside 99% of people.

We cant assume that at all but knowing this is ethical to you I can see your morals
Im fine with you supporting abortion, you clearly dont value the life of a person

Bro u don’t value the life quality of a raped little girl and yeah we can assume that ask anyone if they’d want to live in a paralyzed state

 

[lowtierwelling]

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Everyone saying no u til it’s their life and future that seems compromised by a child they don’t want.

I totally support it lol

 

[Niebvll]

General preference for anyone who can comprehend being paralyzed, you likely wouldn’t want to live that way alongside 99% of people.

Speculation

Bro u don’t value the life quality of a raped little girl

yeah because a temporary decrease in quality of life is not worth more than a whole other life

and yeah we can assume that ask anyone if they’d want to live in a paralyzed state

No you cant
"Ask anyone" is such a great argument wow!
Hypothetical answers like this also prove nothing

 

[ICXCLuvr]

No you cant
"Ask anyone" is such a great argument wow!
Hypothetical answers like this also prove nothing

Nah

yeah because a temporary decrease in quality of life is not worth more than a whole other life

it’s not alive tho

Speculation

na

 

[Niebvll]

Everyone saying no u til it’s their life and future that seems compromised by a child they don’t want.

If my girlfriend is pregnant and we dont want the child we're giving it away the moment its born and we're never bothered by it ever again
Where exactly is our life compromised by it?