Do you support Russia or Ukraine?

[sasha108]

Ukraine being under the fold of a russian sphere of influence is not bad at all (despite the heavy losses in the war, that is tragic sure and was inevitable with causing death like all wars do), under the west they would simply be subject to mass migration and the dictating of americans and the EU, Russian and Ukraine identities are least heavily intertwined and are culturally almost the same and genetically indistinguishable (both derive from the same slavic populations, its like saying the afrikaners are not dutch but if you were to drop an afrikaner in the netherlands they would adapt instantly despite the different language and culture because they derive from the same source are genetically identical)

Ukraine wouldn't have simply been subjected to mass migration anyway
I don’t see that happening in other Eastern Slavic countries.
First of all, this is because there was no empire like Great Britain, France, or Spain. Secondly, Western European countries are wealthier
Of course, there is genetic overlap, but Russia is trying to assimilate Ukraine completely.
Ukrainians people are against mass immigration to Ukraine, there were even protests not that long ago

 

[sasha108]

Ukraine being under the fold of a russian sphere of influence is not bad at all

Than it would be easier just for Hitler to conquer whole Europe. We are all white. Than this was stupid war and he fully was good guy

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Well, Hungary would probably do the it if, Ukraine attacked them.

It’s obvious that Ukraine was not an imperial state or something ,it was constantly attempted of assimilation and destruction by Russia, Poland, or the Ottomans
But it is a country with a long history, starting from the cossacks in the east and ending with Galicia in the west

Indeed. That is why I am talking about the now, If Ukraine wished to survive then it should give up those lands to russia. I am not saying this out of respect to russia but it is like Hungary giving up novi sad and banat, it would worth it to not lose millions.

 

[Hess]

Than it would be easier just for Hitler to conquer whole Europe. We are all white. Than this was stupid war and he fully was good guy

I'm a nazi, if hitler won then yes a european order ruled by germanics would of been the best and perfect solution to my greviances, but because we arent in that reality I would rather just support powers that are at least in opposition to the liberal world

 

[Bars]

Crimea was a purely ornamental gift bestowed unto Ukraine by Stalin while ALL of Ukraine essentially belonged to the Kremlin anyways. The majority of it's population is ethnically Russian. And those who controlled Ukraine before the military operation began had been religiously persecuting them.

As an American I wish this conflict would end. Ukraine would belong to Russia long ago if it weren't the stupid Western countries supporting them. I don't want to pay for it. And furthermore, I'd like to see Russia liberate all of Western Europe.

Holy propaganda parroting.

Crimea belongs to Tatars

 

[sasha108]

Because you are avoiding service while saying others should die and fight for you. I think it is pretty repugnant that you want this war but don't volunteer yourself.

Why move goal posts about 1991 borders? Defend your country bro if it is so important to you lol.

Indeed. That is why I am talking about the now, If Ukraine wished to survive then it should give up those lands to russia. I am not saying this out of respect to russia but it is like Hungary giving up novi sad and banat, it would worth it to not lose millions.

I partially agree. But many Ukrainians want to continue fighting. I am not an idiot, as that guy claimed, who wants to keep this war going.

My opinion is to stop at the current front line.

 

[sasha108]

Also kinda true

Holy propaganda parroting.

Crimea belongs to Tatars

Petro Bolbochan fought for Crimea against bolsheviks and tatars supported him tho

 

[Brava]

Russia, I want my Hungarian land back. That is why I support Russia. In the end both of are Jewish Banker proxy wars.

Russia will try

 

[Hess]

Ukraine wouldn't have simply been subjected to mass migration anyway
I don’t see that happening in other Eastern Slavic countries.
First of all, this is because there was no empire like Great Britain, France, or Spain. Secondly, Western European countries are wealthier
Of course, there is genetic overlap, but Russia is trying to assimilate Ukraine completely.
Ukrainians people are against mass immigration to Ukraine, there were even protests not that long ago

You forget that countries like poland, hungary and the czech republic got into serious legal and political trouble from the EU for not wanting to take in refugees back in 2015 and the only reason they are semi tolerating it now is because they want to siginficantly damage russia first, as soon as things are calmer on the east they will happily support forcing these countries to accept more third world shitskin immigrants

 

[Brava]

Because ruzzia is destroying everything

Chechnya, Georgia,now Ukraine

They never started the conflicts first btw

 

[sasha108]

Russia will try

 

[sasha108]

They never started the conflicts first btw

They did, every single one

 

[Brava]

 

[Brava]

They did, every single one

How

 

[sasha108]

I'm a nazi, if hitler won then yes a european order ruled by germanics would of been the best and perfect solution to my greviances, but because we arent in that reality I would rather just support powers that are at least in opposition to the liberal world

Do you believe in plan ost? Or it was west or "judeo-bolshevism" propaganda iyo

 

[sasha108]

How

What how? Attacked first
For example chechnya is whole another nation, wanted to be independent

 

[sasha108]

You forget that countries like poland, hungary and the czech republic got into serious legal and political trouble from the EU for not wanting to take in refugees back in 2015 and the only reason they are semi tolerating it now is because they want to siginficantly damage russia first, as soon as things are calmer on the east they will happily support forcing these countries to accept more third world shitskin immigrants

I don't think that for example Poland will. They have very strong position against immigrants too

I'm not a fan of EU. Nato would be great for Ukraine,but I'm not sure about EU
It would give the economy a boost, but there are some strange rules.

 

[AryanTrvecel]

I support Russia

Bro i just made this thread thinking it would only have a few responses, niggas are genuinely making essays in the replies here.

 

[sasha108]

Bro i just made this thread thinking it would only have a few responses, niggas are genuinely making essays in the replies here.

Stfu,you are useless. This is real discussion,even tho I'm not agreeing on every argument, they have place to be in this convo
And btw you are comie and faggot

 

[Gen1leman]

I support Russia

As Ukrainian of course Ukraine, because Russia attacked us

 

[Gen1leman]

Stfu,you are useless. This is real discussion,even tho I'm not agreeing on every argument, they have place to be in this convo
And btw you are comie and faggot

Братан ти тоже з України?

 

[sasha108]

Братан ти тоже з України?

Та

 

[Gengar’s Ghost]

I support Russia

I support whoever likes Pakistan.

 

[sasha108]

Братан ти тоже з України?

Я так поняв ти з Західної/Центральної,да?

 

[Gen1leman]

Та

О клас Я зі Львова мені 22 Я сам не знаю що робити, якщо б не було війни навіть не думав б їхати бо якщо захотіти можна заробляти, можна більше відкласти та і взагалі знаєш специфіку, але з другого боку до 23 треба зробити вибір бо потім не виїдеш

 

[Gen1leman]

Я так поняв ти з Західної/Центральної,да?

Та а ти

 

[Asdec]

Ukraine. Russians are barbaric savages. The more I read news regarding the atrocities made by russian soldiers the more blackpilled I become.

Mass rapes [1 (youngest victim is 4 in this source), 2, 3, 4, these barbarians even rape each other lmfao ], tortures of civilians and prisoners of war [1, 2, 3 (they literally have torture chambers)].

A 52-year-old woman was taken by Russian soldiers in occupied Izyum and repeatedly raped while her husband was beaten. She was arrested on 1 July along with her husband, bags were placed over their heads, and they were taken to a small shed which served as a torture room in Izyum. They forcibly undressed her, groped her, and told her they would send photos to her family. The woman was raped repeatedly by the commander of the unit over three days, while other Russian soldiers beat her husband in a nearby garage. The rapist would then describe raping her to her husband. She tried to hang herself, but survived. The Russian soldiers began torturing her with electric shocks to her feet, while laughing at her pain

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The thing is, they always have been like that. The insanely high number of poor germanic woman and children that they would rape during the fall of berlin is insane. I remember reading a documented story (couldn't find the source now) where a dozen of russian men would make turns to rape a 12-13 year old german girl.

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Also, there was a mass rape of chechen males.

Over 700 men (I was given a list of 762 names) were taken to a field. They [the Russian soldiers] raped a woman in front of them.” The Russian troops, Mironov related, then taunted the Chechen men, calling on them to defend the woman’s honor. Those who intervened, sixty-two men, were themselves then “handcuffed to an armored personnel carrier, and publicly raped.”

I'm thinking of writing a detailed thread about the atrocities made by russians. I would be happy to change someone's opinion on this even slightly

 

[Asdec]

As Ukrainian of course Ukraine, because Russia attacked us

It baffles my mind how anyone could even remotely support these blood thirsty savages lol. Same people who are allegedly anti israel support russia. 0 consistency.

Also it's retarded how people care about palestine more than they care about the occupation of ukraine given that everything israel has done, russia surpassed it in the most inhumane ways possible

 

[sasha108]

The thing is, they always have been like that. The insanely high number of poor germanic woman and children that they would rape during the fall of berlin is insane. I remember reading a documented story (couldn't find the source now) where a dozen of russian men would make turns to rape a 12-13 year old german girl.

I didn't mention this because it was the soviet army. Of course russian did that especially

Ukrainians and Belarusians suffered the most among the soviet peoples during this war

 

[Brava]

What how? Attacked first
For example chechnya is whole another nation, wanted to be independent

Donbass was another nation that wanted to be independent

Also Chechnya made lots of terrorist attacks

 

[dunc]

Why would you care if you dont live there genuinely

 

[Hess]

Do you believe in plan ost? Or it was west or "judeo-bolshevism" propaganda iyo

I think it was exaggerated to a degree, but it was very much real and germany wanted to expand eastward for living space and territorry, which would of been benefical to germanic groups such as mine, granted most of the national socialist rhetoric against slavs is heavily outdated and wrong and they arent racially inferior, but even then multiple NS groups made attempts to establish which slavic groups were aryans or not and made an attempt to bring them under their banner (like galician ukrainians vs normal ukrainians)

 

[sasha108]

Donbass was another nation that wanted to be independent

You just typing shit atp

 

[natelma0]

I support Russia

i support neither, could give less fucks about both countries when at the end of the day my life and future concerns me the most

 

[Hess]

I don't think that for example Poland will. They have very strong position against immigrants too

I'm not a fan of EU. Nato would be great for Ukraine,but I'm not sure about EU
It would give the economy a boost, but there are some strange rules.

Regardless of whether they have a strong position or not, the EU will make several attempts to force refugees and asylum seekers into their territory especially since they made attempts in the past before

 

[NW3Slayer]

Братан ти тоже з України?

Я так поняв ти з Західної/Центральної,да?

Вам всем надо выезжать пока не поздно

Кому было 20 в 2022, теперь уже призывают

Война будет пока Украина не перестает существовать как самостоятельная нация или до распада России

Так или иначе ещё долго

 

[sasha108]

I think it was exaggerated to a degree, but it was very much real and germany wanted to expand eastward for living space and territorry, which would of been benefical to germanic groups such as mine, granted most of the national socialist rhetoric against slavs is heavily outdated and wrong and they arent racially inferior, but even then multiple NS groups made attempts to establish which slavic groups were aryans or not and made an attempt to bring them under their banner (like galician ukrainians vs normal ukrainians)

That this kinda one of the reasons why they lost.
For example, if they gave countries at least some sort of independence,it would be better
(There was reichskommissariat Ukraine anyway,but I'm talking not only about Ukraine)
There were support of germans , from russia(roa 300k+, ukraine 100k+ and even belarus 50k+ ,but brigades of alcoholics and criminals like dirlewanger destroyed this trust. Some slavs hoped that they would be liberated from bolshevism.)

 

[sasha108]

Вам всем надо выезжать пока не поздно

Кому было 20 в 2022, теперь уже призывают

Война будет пока Украина не перестает существовать как самостоятельная нация или до распада России

Так или иначе ещё долго

Не,я не буду выезжать. Если только хуже не станет в правительстве, например как зеля уволил Фёдорова недавно. Но зато Драпатый пришел,русские ссут его очень

 

[Brava]

You just typing shit atp

Ohhh I get it alright

 

[sasha108]

Ohhh I get it alright

Chechnya is another nation, another phenotype,genes etc
Donbas is Ukrainian region and Ukrainians living there(with some % of russians)

 

[NW3Slayer]

Не,я не буду выезжать. Если только хуже не станет в правительстве, например как зеля уволил Фёдорова недавно. Но зато Драпатый пришел,русские ссут его очень

Будет намного хуже

Чем хуже будет России, тем больше эскалации

До применения ЯО. Для России это не Чечня или Афганистан.

Либо победа, либо распад и конец и этого не допустят.

Европе полностью не интересно благополучия Украинцев. Хоть все умрут чтобы ослабить Россию

 

[sasha108]

Будет намного хуже

Чем хуже будет России, тем больше эскалации

До применения ЯО. Для России это не Чечня или Афганистан.

Либо победа, либо распад и конец и этого не допустят.

Европе полностью не интересно благополучия Украинцев. Хоть все умрут чтобы ослабить Россию

Всё равно есть шансы на смену власти. Хотя я понимаю насколько всё печально, но шанс на остановку конфликта на линии фронта возможен
Украина сейчас работает по России тоже, война не только на территории Украины

 

[Hess]

That this kinda one of the reasons why they lost.
For example, if they gave countries at least some sort of independence,it would be better
(There was reichskommissariat Ukraine anyway,but I'm talking not only about Ukraine)
There were support of germans , from russia(roa 300k+, ukraine 100k+ and even belarus 50k+ ,but brigades of alcoholics and criminals like dirlewanger destroyed this trust. Some slavs hoped that they would be liberated from bolshevism.)

True but you have to understand that most had already had severely degraded relations with slavic countries prior to ww2, due to the issues with poland, the czech republic and their history in ww1 with russia, most didnt care too much abt the slavs but certains ones specifically like the russians and poland historically earned the ire and distrust of many germans and they viewed them less as an opposing government but as enemies of their nation (also not to mention the austrians conflicts with the slavs inside the austro hungarian empire which hitler came from), but yes you are right they should of expanded efforts to work with slavs that wanted to resist bolshevik rule

 

[sasha108]

True but you have to understand that most had already had severely degraded relations with slavic countries prior to ww2, due to the issues with poland, the czech republic and their history in ww1 with russia, most didnt care too much abt the slavs but certains ones specifically like the russians and poland historically earned the ire and distrust of many germans and they viewed them less as an opposing government but as enemies of their nation (also not to mention the austrians conflicts with the slavs inside the austro hungarian empire which hitler came from), but yes you are right they should of expanded efforts to work with slavs that wanted to resist bolshevik rule

Yeah I understand this
I think that's the reason why there was reichskommissariat Ukraine,and nothing for Poland or Russia at that time

That's what Hans Frank said
Even though I still don't fully support both of huge imperialistic sides of ww2, comies destroyed ukrainian culture and people more than ns did to us

 

[NW3Slayer]

Всё равно есть шансы на смену власти. Хотя я понимаю насколько всё печально, но шанс на остановку конфликта на линии фронта возможен
Украина сейчас работает по России тоже, война не только на территории Украины

Для России нету смысла останавливать на линии фронта, нету смысла останавливать если они получат Донбасс или даже Херсон.

Они не могут принять ситуацию в которой существует Украина у которой миллионавая армия с опытом, Ф16, Гриппен и которая требует отдать обратно территории + репатриации и в будущем вступает в НАТО.


Поэтому я считаю что эта война до того пока Россия не падает или Украина сдает суверенитет.


В замораживании и новой войны против более сильной Украины нету смысла для России

 

[sasha108]

Для России нету смысла останавливать на линии фронта, нету смысла останавливать если они получат Донбасс или даже Херсон.

Они не могут принять ситуацию в которой существует Украина у которой миллионавая армия с опытом, Ф16, Гриппен и которая требует отдать обратно территории + репатриации и в будущем вступает в НАТО.


Поэтому я считаю что эта война до того пока Россия не падает или Украина сдает суверенитет.


В замораживании и новой войны против более сильной Украины нету смысла для России

Да это имеет смысл. Но ты также посмотри на сколько медленно сейчас идёт эта война. Либо ждать прорыв фронта с какой-то стороны, либо это просто мясорубка буквально за метры земли

Ты откуда?

 

[maxermaxxer]

Bro fuck both of these countries. When it’s thousands upon thousands of people in Middle East being killed and dehumanized no one bats an eye, but as soon as some white crackers get bombed a lil everyone is going crazy.

 

[sasha108]

Bro fuck both of these countries. When it’s thousands upon thousands of people in Middle East being killed and dehumanized no one bats an eye, but as soon as some white crackers get bombed a lil everyone is going crazy.

Retard
Everyone is talking about middle east as well

Why are you even comparing two wars?,

 

[maxermaxxer]

Retard
Everyone is talking about middle east as well

Why are you even comparing two wars?,

Brother nobody is talking about Middle East. People talked about Palestine and Syria for a few months then completely forgot about them. These genocides have been happening for decades and the media hides it. I don’t necessarily blame people for not noticing because Israel and usa are masters at hiding what’s really going on.

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Holy propaganda parroting.

Crimea belongs to Tatars

No it doesn't. They lost it ages ago. Same way north America doesn't belong to the indigenous.