Do you think Ukraine should belong to EU & NATO?

[PubertyMaxxer]

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[PubertyMaxxer]

Why should Ukraine belong to EU but for example Turkey or Belarus not?

 

[Deleted member 26642]

Ukraine will belong to me when I get my way....

 

[thenewhebbe]

I think it should be able to decide and for eu and nato to decide if they would allow them to join

Obviously not nato now because it would cause a world war

 

[Deleted member 17244]

No, thats good hoholstan and ruskis cuck each other as they are the biggest enemy of entire baltic countries

 

[Trilogy]

Why should Ukraine belong to EU but for example Turkey or Belarus not?

Belarus doesn't even want to join the EU

 

[Prettyboy]

Why should Ukraine belong to EU but for example Turkey or Belarus not?

Belarus should be, they were the part of the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth for a long time. Russians and their puppet Lukashenka should go back go Mongolia where they belong with their steppe mentality.

Turkey on the other hand has no place in the EU, it’s muslim and it’s sheer population size wouldnt be compatible with how the institutions work (it would have more voting power than Germany - yeah, fuck that)

 

[Guts]

Belarus belongs to Europe, they were the part of the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth for a long time. Russians and their puppet Lukashenka should go back go Mongolia where they belong with their steppe mentality.

Turkey on the other hand has no place in the EU, it’s muslim and it’s sheer population size wouldnt be compatible with how the institutions work (it would have more voting power than Germany - yeah, fuck that)

as someone who lives nowhere near Eastern Europe I completely agree with this take

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

Belarus should be, they were the part of the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth for a long time. Russians and their puppet Lukashenka should go back go Mongolia where they belong with their steppe mentality.

Turkey on the other hand has no place in the EU, it’s muslim and it’s sheer population size wouldnt be compatible with how the institutions work (it would have more voting power than Germany - yeah, fuck that)

@Napoleon de Geso thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Belarus should be, they were the part of the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth for a long time. Russians and their puppet Lukashenka should go back go Mongolia where they belong with their steppe mentality.

Turkey on the other hand has no place in the EU, it’s muslim and it’s sheer population size wouldnt be compatible with how the institutions work (it would have more voting power than Germany - yeah, fuck that)

Turks vote better then Germans it seems like.

 

[Prettyboy]

as someone who lives nowhere near Eastern Europe I completely agree with this take

Are you European? Because whenever these types of questions come up the best thing for Europe is always to stick together.

Ukraine should apologize for it’s warcrimes against Poland in WW2 and start treating it’s Hungarian minority with dignity, then we could move forward and they should join the EU & NATO.

Belarus’ should be democratized and join the west.

Russia is a joke of a failed state, which had the chance to work together with fellow Europeans but instead have chosen to go with the Asian mongoloid identity. Its a pity, but it is what it is.

 

[Prettyboy]

Turks vote better then Germans it seems like.

Whats your thoughts on AfD btw?



Some of their points sounds based, but I have a hard time deciding whether is it really their merit or it’s that Merkel’s legacy is so horrible and the rest of the parties are so cucked so they look promising if you put them next to other parties

 

[Guts]

Are you European? Because whenever these types of questions come up the best thing for Europe is always to stick together.

Ukraine should apologize for it’s warcrimes against Poland in WW2 and start treating it’s Hungarian minority with dignity, then we could move forward and they should join the EU & NATO.

Belarus’ should be democratized and join the west.

Russia is a joke of a failed state, which had the chance to work together with fellow Europeans but instead have chosen to go with the Asian mongoloid identity. Its a pity, but it is what it is.

I’m British

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Whats your thoughts on AfD btw?



Some of their points sounds based, but I have a hard time deciding whether is it really their merit or it’s that Merkel’s legacy is so horrible and the rest of the parties are so cucked so they look promising if you put them next to other parties

Considering that all the other parties in the Bundestag deny the existance of a german folk there ironically is no alternative to the AfD.

Thats why many voters, even from the left wing parties, changed votes to the AfD, despite the AfD being market radical and not leftist at all.

If the other parties don't change in the future, there won't be a place for many of them. They can't just ignore the immigration issue and hope the population doesn't mind. ALL the other parties argue for open borders.

 

[Prettyboy]

Considering that all the other parties in the Bundestag deny the existance of a german folk there ironically is no alternative to the AfD.

Thats why many voters, even from the left wing parties, changed votes to the AfD, despite the AfD being market radical and not leftist at all.

If the other parties don't change in the future, there won't be a place for many of them. They can't just ignore the immigration issue and hope the population doesn't mind. ALL the other parties argue for open borders.

You know this is what I don’t get about European leftist parties. They could SO easily defuse the right if they wanted to.

The only thing they would need to do is become anti-immigration. That’s it, nothing more.

This is the biggest current debate in most of Europe and if they took that point away from the right, what would those be left with? Covid denial?

The thing is the right don’t have much meaningful to offer either, but currently they are the only ones who oppose getting replaced by ethnics in our countries.

If the left did a compromise and closed the borders, I dont see why would anyone but hardcore bozos vote for far right. But instead of doing so, they are letting them grow because people are getting tired of seeing ethnics causing mayhem wherever they go.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

You know this is what I don’t get about European leftist parties. They could SO easily defuse the right if they wanted to.

The only thing they would need to do is become anti-immigration. That’s it, nothing more.

This is the biggest current debate in most of Europe and if they took that point away from the right, what would those be left with? Covid denial?

The thing is the right don’t have much meaningful to offer either, but currently they are the only ones who oppose getting replaced by ethnics in our countries.

If the left did a compromise and closed the borders, I dont see why would anyone but hardcore bozos vote for far right. But instead of doing so, they are letting them grow because people are getting tired of seeing ethnics causing mayhem wherever they go.

Not only the left. Even the supposed "conservative" parties failed horrendously regarding the immigration issue. If you look at the CDU (Merkels party) they were about as strict regarding immigration in 2003 as the AfD is nowadays. But since the Merkelismus seems to have overtaken the entire party they can't get there footing back and I think they will lose their footing as the conservative party in Germany.

But yeah, in Denmark the left wing government already started changing their stance on immigration, calling it a "betrayal to the working class"

Denmark's left wing promotes immigration restrictions

To justify this controversial shift by the left, the party led by Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen argued that by supporting a generous reception policy it had betrayed the working classes.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[Deleted member 17244]

Whats your thoughts on AfD btw?



Some of their points sounds based, but I have a hard time deciding whether is it really their merit or it’s that Merkel’s legacy is so horrible and the rest of the parties are so cucked so they look promising if you put them next to other parties

Polish right-wing is raising also but that party is cucked af and i dont even bother to vote on them in the October (the next parliamentary elections in Poland)

 

[Prettyboy]

Not only the left. Even the supposed "conservative" parties failed horrendously regarding the immigration issue. If you look at the CDU (Merkels party) they were about as strict regarding immigration in 2003 as the AfD is nowadays. But since the Merkelismus seems to have overtaken the entire party they can't get there footing back and I think they will lose their footing as the conservative party in Germany.

But yeah, in Denmark the left wing government already started changing their stance on immigration, calling it a "betrayal to the working class"

Denmark's left wing promotes immigration restrictions

To justify this controversial shift by the left, the party led by Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen argued that by supporting a generous reception policy it had betrayed the working classes.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[Roquefort]

Belarus should be, they were the part of the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth for a long time. Russians and their puppet Lukashenka should go back go Mongolia where they belong with their steppe mentality.

Turkey on the other hand has no place in the EU, it’s muslim and it’s sheer population size wouldnt be compatible with how the institutions work (it would have more voting power than Germany - yeah, fuck that)

" it's muslim " so what ? Albania is muslim, bosnia is muslim, doesnt mean jack shit

 

[Geoff2024]

" it's muslim " so what ? Albania is muslim, bosnia is muslim, doesnt mean jack shit

He is a gay faggot nigger

 

[ropemax]

Why should Ukraine belong to EU but for example Turkey or Belarus not?

Because they're troublemakers. NATO means we're on the same team. What happens when you invite states with no integrity to be on your team? They will start a conflict with another member sooner or later, and what happens them? who do you support if 2 NATO members declare war on one another? It would destroy the alliance

 

[WhoAmIReally]

Slav Ukrainian stacies belong to me.

 

[AlexAP]

Whats your thoughts on AfD btw?



Some of their points sounds based, but I have a hard time deciding whether is it really their merit or it’s that Merkel’s legacy is so horrible and the rest of the parties are so cucked so they look promising if you put them next to other parties

AfD is heavily pro-Russian.

But it's good that they're against mass migration. However, the problem has been mostly solved since 2016 tbh. No German chancellor would do anything like Merkel 2015 again.

 

[Marsiere214]

" it's muslim " so what ? Albania is muslim, bosnia is muslim, doesnt mean jack shit

its a politically correct way of saying that someone is not european.

 

[Prettyboy]

Not only the left. Even the supposed "conservative" parties failed horrendously regarding the immigration issue. If you look at the CDU (Merkels party) they were about as strict regarding immigration in 2003 as the AfD is nowadays. But since the Merkelismus seems to have overtaken the entire party they can't get there footing back and I think they will lose their footing as the conservative party in Germany.

But yeah, in Denmark the left wing government already started changing their stance on immigration, calling it a "betrayal to the working class"

Denmark's left wing promotes immigration restrictions

To justify this controversial shift by the left, the party led by Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen argued that by supporting a generous reception policy it had betrayed the working classes.

www.lemonde.fr

Really interesting how histroically the whole point of leftism was serving the proletariat.
But as western economies developed, agriculture and industry naturally faded away to give space for the tertiary services sector, and with that the traditional proletariat diminished.

What’s left of the working class is completely ignored by leftists nowadays. They abandoned the classic Marxian model of bourgeoisie and proletariat, and instead have applied the opressor-opressed model to men-women (feminism) and black people. That’s why liberal and green parties are like watermelons - green on the outside, red in the inside.

Parallel to this, the worker class folks are now weirdly taken care of by the right, who historicslly despised them. Just look at Trump and the Rust belt, Orbán’s popularity among plebs in Hungary, Meloni in Italy, PiS in Poland etc.

 

[Prettyboy]

" it's muslim " so what ? Albania is muslim, bosnia is muslim, doesnt mean jack shit

Yes, that’s why neither of them are in the EU nor NATO.

Western civilization is based on Judeo-Christianity.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

But it's good that they're against mass migration. However, the problem has been mostly solved since 2016 tbh. No German chancellor would do anything like Merkel 2015 again.

They are still in our country.

We need to Kohlmax

Kohl wollte jeden zweiten Türken in Deutschland loswerden

Die britische Regierung hat spektakuläre Geheimdokumente freigegeben. Demnach hatte Bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl einen radikalen Plan: Er wollte die Hälfte der in Deutschland lebenden Türken loswerden - mit Geld.

www.spiegel.de

 

[Prettyboy]

They are still in our country.

We need to Kohlmax

Kohl wollte jeden zweiten Türken in Deutschland loswerden

Die britische Regierung hat spektakuläre Geheimdokumente freigegeben. Demnach hatte Bundeskanzler Helmut Kohl einen radikalen Plan: Er wollte die Hälfte der in Deutschland lebenden Türken loswerden - mit Geld.

www.spiegel.de

Over.

It always makes me depressed when I think about how in 1945 millions of Germans were forcefully removed from Central& Eastern Europe, the iq of those countries instantly dropped a ton

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Over.

It always makes me depressed when I think about how in 1945 millions of Germans were forcefully removed from Central& Eastern Europe, the iq of those countries instantly dropped a ton

Brutal indeed. I always listened to the stories of my grandpa of how he got removed from his home, Sudetenland. (Bohemia in Czechia).

He described it as the most brutal time in his life.

But we apparently had our chance to get Königsberg back in 1990.

Should Kant's home once again be German? | Stefan Berger

Stefan Berger: Despite a rumoured offer to return Kaliningrad to German rule, the enclave remains loyal to Mother Russia

www.theguardian.com

But I guess it was too ruined already at that point.

 

[Roquefort]

Yes, that’s why neither of them are in the EU nor NATO.

Western civilization is based on Judeo-Christianity.

Thats the biggest cope i have ever heard in my entire life, "western civilization is based on all abrahamic religions except the one i dislike teehee" not like, there were crusades for years, a mixing of cultural and ethnical background in all of the mena zone, al andalus, oriental part of rome, viking invading and plundering the zone, hard racemixing and mixing their "european" cultures with things that are still present today.
Now you faggot will tell me that algeria is less of an european civilization than fucking finland because of "muh mozlem bad we r judeo christian" ? Even though its main language is fking french, institutions work in the same way as in france and their whole culture is a mix of all of this together ?

 

[Prettyboy]

Brutal indeed. I always listened to the stories of my grandpa of how he got removed from his home, Sudetenland. (Bohemia in Czechia).

He described it as the most brutal time in his life.

But we apparently had our chance to get Königsberg back in 1990.

Should Kant's home once again be German? | Stefan Berger

Stefan Berger: Despite a rumoured offer to return Kaliningrad to German rule, the enclave remains loyal to Mother Russia

www.theguardian.com

But I guess it was too ruined already at that point.

Königsberg died in the war, Kaliningrad is a completely different subhuman reincarnation of it

Even if they have lost the war, Germans were right about certain ethnicites being superior to others in the cultural, civilizational sense. How the city got rebuilt after being bulldozed is a standing example of that.

Thats the biggest cope i have ever heard in my entire life, "western civilization is based on all abrahamic religions except the one i dislike teehee" not like, there were crusades for years, a mixing of cultural and ethnical background in all of the mena zone, al andalus, oriental part of rome, viking invading and plundering the zone, hard racemixing and mixing their "european" cultures with things that are still present today.
Now you faggot will tell me that algeria is less of an european civilization than fucking finland because of "muh mozlem bad we r judeo christian" ? Even though its main language is fking french, institutions work in the same way as in france and their whole culture is a mix of all of this together ?

 

[Roquefort]

Königsberg died in the war, Kaliningrad is a completely different subhuman reincarnation of it

Even if they have lost the war, Germans were right about certain ethnicites being superior to others in the cultural, civilizational sense. How the city got rebuilt after being bulldozed is a standing example of that.


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Before talking about iq, try making the average go up instead of acting profoundly retarded with ur shitty opinion.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

No, thats good hoholstan and ruskis cuck each other as they are the biggest enemy of entire baltic countries

Are you baltic?
How are you happy, your population is dying out, even now with independence.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Belarus should be, they were the part of the Lithuanian-Polish commonwealth for a long time. Russians and their puppet Lukashenka should go back go Mongolia where they belong with their steppe mentality.

Turkey on the other hand has no place in the EU, it’s muslim and it’s sheer population size wouldnt be compatible with how the institutions work (it would have more voting power than Germany - yeah, fuck that)

Who cares that they were part of the Commonwealth? They are still East Slavic and extremely poor and backward.

Also, somewhere EU has to end in the East, it could theoretically already end at Germanys Eastern border.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Are you European? Because whenever these types of questions come up the best thing for Europe is always to stick together.

Ukraine should apologize for it’s warcrimes against Poland in WW2 and start treating it’s Hungarian minority with dignity, then we could move forward and they should join the EU & NATO.

Belarus’ should be democratized and join the west.

Russia is a joke of a failed state, which had the chance to work together with fellow Europeans but instead have chosen to go with the Asian mongoloid identity. Its a pity, but it is what it is.

Russia itself has many ethnic republics eg in the Ural or Caucasus Region.

Also I bet Ukrainians have just as much of a Steppe mentality (and genetic admixture, look up Crimean Khanate and Pechenegs).

 

[Deleted member 27987]

Russia itself has many ethnic republics eg in the Ural or Caucasus Region.

Also I bet Ukrainians have just as much of a Steppe mentality (and genetic admixture, look up Crimean Khanate and Pechenegs).

Half of them are Tatarised and Jewish heritage. Most Jews I know are from Ukraine, but never met Polish, Czech, Slovenian Jews

 

[Hero of the Imperium]

Are you European? Because whenever these types of questions come up the best thing for Europe is always to stick together.

Ukraine should apologize for it’s warcrimes against Poland in WW2 and start treating it’s Hungarian minority with dignity, then we could move forward and they should join the EU & NATO.

Belarus’ should be democratized and join the west.

Russia is a joke of a failed state, which had the chance to work together with fellow Europeans but instead have chosen to go with the Asian mongoloid identity. Its a pity, but it is what it is.

Putin wanted to join NATO

Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule

George Robertson recalls Russian president did not want to wait in line with ‘countries that don’t matter’

www.theguardian.com

That said, the Mongol conquest, despite the advances in administration etc that it brought, was fatal. Russia would not be shaped be western mores, if they ever could be

Previously they had been under Scandinavian influenced law, though the grasslands were already teeming with Turks and the like, and while the Norse were themselves bloodthirsty barbarians, they had a humane streak that is evidenced to this day

Oriental despotism that the Mongols brought would not even have the Chinese philosophical attempt at rationality and righteous rule. It is not easy to border both Germans and Mongols

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Half of them are Tatarised and Jewish heritage. Most Jews I know are from Ukraine, but never met Polish, Czech, Slovenian Jews

Ukraine and Belarus were the main centers of Ashkenazi Jews pre-WW2.

So many of them still look very Semitic.