DOCTORS TALK ABOUT NELSON'S/RETARD'S FACEPULLER JFL! GTFIH (THEY LAUGH)

[spark]

yeah plus the facemask 1-2mm

The thing is that Ting spoke about how you can only achieve expansion while still laterally expanding and:

1) He expands 4-8mm only while MSE can expand all the way to 12mm
2) He expands 1 turn a day, what if you expanded 1 in 36 hours? You'd likely get more time to pull
3) He is likely using the shittiest puller out there. At least on his FB page he posted a pic of that shitty mandible anchored puller, what about the crane or the bow puller, that seems like it could also create more of a result.
4) He also tells patients to wear it 14 hours a day and how do we even know they wear it that much right? What if you wore it 20 hours?

So I think it is technically possible to get more than the 2mm + 0.5mm.

 

[goat2x]

CCW rotation happens as the posterior palate drops following expansion.

they literally say in the video that you can except a more downward maxilla after expansion

 

[orthochadic]

then why the fuck do you mention it like i said something bad about facemask and mse jfl
this thread is about the dowden you stupid fuck

What is dowden bro sorry i'm autistic

 

[orthochadic]

you lack intelligence
im gonna expand my maxilla to 70mm aswell
you arent made out of rubber you utter dumbfuck

You can stop turning the screw...... and just wear the facemask. It will provide stabillity to your lateral gains...

 

[varbrah]

The thing is that Ting spoke about how you can only achieve expansion while still laterally expanding and:

1) He expands 4-8mm only while MSE can expand all the way to 12mm
2) He expands 1 turn a day, what if you expanded 1 in 36 hours? You'd likely get more time to pull
3) He is likely using the shittiest puller out there. At least on his FB page he posted a pic of that shitty mandible anchored puller, what about the crane or the bow puller, that seems like it could also create more of a result.

So I think it is technically possible to get more than the 2mm + 0.5mm.

Protraction is only viable for as long as the perimaxillary sutures remain disarticulated following RME. This window lasts for a month or so following suture split, but apparently can be done repeatedly with Alt RAMEC

 

[orthochadic]

You can stop turning the screw...... and just wear the facemask. It will provide stabillity to your lateral gains...

I hate people putting over downs because they are autistic but you don't seem to think before answering bro.

 

[goat2x]

The thing is that Ting spoke about how you can only achieve expansion while still laterally expanding and:

1) He expands 4-8mm only while MSE can expand all the way to 12mm
2) He expands 1 turn a day, what if you expanded 1 in 36 hours? You'd likely get more time to pull
3) He is likely using the shittiest puller out there. At least on his FB page he posted a pic of that shitty mandible anchored puller, what about the crane or the bow puller, that seems like it could also create more of a result.

So I think it is technically possible to get more than the 2mm + 0.5mm.

1,after your suture is open it doesnt matter how much you expand
it can still come forward
3, the other doctor says it aswell and appearently the research aswell

 

[goat2x]

I hate people putting over downs because they are autistic but you don't seem to think before answering bro.

you just lack the intelligence i dont know what to say like lol

 

[varbrah]

they literally say in the video that you can except a more downward maxilla after expansion

Yeah due to sutural growth of the maxilla as opposed to remodeling. More of this downward growth happens at the posterior maxilla though, which results in a small amount of CCW rotation of the occlusal plane.

 

[spark]

Protraction is only viable for as long as the perimaxillary sutures remain disarticulated following RME. This window lasts for a month or so following suture split, but apparently can be done repeatedly with Alt RAMEC

I thought they were loose since achieving diastema until the end of MSE expansion?

 

[orthochadic]

Protraction is only viable for as long as the perimaxillary sutures remain disarticulated following RME. This window lasts for a month or so following suture split, but apparently can be done repeatedly with Alt RAMEC

don't understand bro explain more

 

[goat2x]

Yeah due to sutural growth of the maxilla as opposed to remodeling. More of this downward growth happens at the posterior maxilla though, which results in a small amount of CCW rotation of the occlusal plane.

i mean watch the video jfl
they literally demonstrate that the maxilla will come down

 

[orthochadic]

So facemask won't prevent the sutures to close...

 

[orthochadic]

Ohhh lifefuel. You open the suture then protract, then one month later open again then protract broooo.

 

[goat2x]

Ohhh lifefuel. You open the suture then protract, then one month later open again then protract ❤ broooo.

You have hardcore
Schizophreina

 

[varbrah]

i mean watch the video jfl
they literally demonstrate that the maxilla will come down

CCW rotation of the occlusal plane doesn't have to involve upswing lol. Following RME the maxilla grows down and foreward with more of that downward growth occuring at the posterior maxilla.

CCW rotation can either be from impaction of the anterior maxilla (upswing) or downward growth of the posterior maxilla.

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

i mean watch the video jfl
they literally demonstrate that the maxilla will come down

doesn't the simulation of mse & fm show downward growth and ccw rotation? I don't think it's mutually exclusive.

 

[orthochadic]

i love you.
But also hate you

 

[goat2x]

doesn't the simulation of mse & fm show downward growth and ccw rotation? I don't think it's mutually exclusive.

no it shows downward growth i dont know what this mental patient is barking about

 

[orthochadic]

How many mm of lateral expansion do we need in order to open the suture in average if any one knows ?

So we can just stop the expansion after the suture opening and protract with hgh.
(in case we find a blackpilled ortho or be rich AF, having a 10M net worth)

 

[varbrah]

no it shows downward growth i dont know what this mental patient is barking about

Downward growth is necessarily a component of forward growth of the maxilla due to the orientation of the perimaxillary sutures. You're retarded.

 

[goat2x]

Downward growth is necessarily a component of forward growth of the maxilla due to the orientation of the perimaxillary sutures. You're retarded.

yeah i know retard thats why i talked about down ward growth

 

[hairyballscel]

TL: dR YOU CAN ONLY ADVaNCE 1-2MM WITH FUCKING MSE

won moon said 8mm+ is routinely seen in patients under 21

 

[goat2x]

won moon said 8mm+ is routinely seen in patients under 21

Where

 

[hairyballscel]

Where

someone posted it, idk where tbh

 

[goat2x]

someone posted it, idk where tbh

tbh you just woke up from your nap where you dreamed about this broski

 

[varbrah]

yeah i know retard thats why i talked about down ward growth

I'm telling you that a relatively larger amount of growth occurs in the inferior/posterior maxilla which results in a degree of CCW rotation.

If you can't visualize it then observe the back/lower maxilla in this gif. The reverse of this occurs to a smaller degree with RME

 

[orthochadic]

But what about opening the suture with mse expansion, then stop turning the screw and start to protract with hgh for 1 month untill the suture close.
Then repeat the process...
I'm not talking about orthodontist acceptation, but just thinking if it's physically possible.
We need to know how many mms of expansions it takes to open the sutures...

 

[goat2x]

I'm telling you that a relatively larger amount of growth occurs in the inferior/posterior maxilla which results in a degree of CCW rotation.

If you can't visualize it then observe the back/lower maxilla in this gif. The reverse of this occurs to a smaller degree with RME

use studies instead of retarded mike mew images

 

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WHEN YOU HEAR THAT AUTIST DO THIS
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JFLLLL

 

[goat2x]

But what about opening the suture with mse expansion, then stop turning the screw and start to protract with hgh for 1 month untill the suture close.
Then repeat the process...
I'm not talking about orthodontist acceptation, but just thinking if it's physically possible.
We need to know how many mms of expansions it takes to open the sutures...

i m answering you last time
you arent made out of rubber.

 

[Deleted member 6403]

I wanna see that mse self installation video

 

[orthochadic]

@varbrah i finally meet you. I ve heard so much of you through some peoples post telling that you got some facial upswing. Is that true ?

 

[goat2x]

I wanna see that mse self installation video

First Ever Self MSE Install

This video was sent to me and I was given permission to upload it here. As far as I know, this has never been done before. Time spent: ~30 min This video is not a guide and is for entertainment only!

looksmax.org

 

[orthochadic]

i m answering you last time
you arent made out of rubber.

Yeah that's why we need screws bro. to open the suture.

 

[Bromose]

emberassing that you know me while i dont know who the fuck you are you pathetic barking dog
they said 1-2mms for adults is the expected you utter low iq dog
how is that relevant to the dowden autism is just funny you fucking fragile cuck
i would smash your peanut head against the pavement you utter closeted tranny

Fucking retard, just cuz ur the most common barking dog on .me doesn’t mean people know u for anything else . Did you even watch the fucking videos , utter idiot with 80 iq , dr ting said 3mm for adults and 8mm for children.

 

[varbrah]

use studies instead of retarded mike mew images
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There's literally CCW rotation of the maxillary complex occuring in that pic. Room temperature IQ smoothbrain confirmed .

@varbrah i finally meet you. I ve heard so much of you through some peoples post telling that you got some facial upswing. Is that true ?

No upswing/midface shortening although my nasal cartilage support improved a lot, giving that illusion. I got a bit more growth than you'd normally expect - about 4mm of forward growth in total probably thanks to blasting GH peptides during the protraction phase

 

[Marsiere214]

ikr
i was mewing since 13 and still no results
jfl at these copers

 

[goat2x]

There's literally CCW rotation of the maxillary complex occuring in that pic. Room temperature IQ smoothbrain confirmed .


No upswing/midface shortening although my nasal cartilage support improved a lot, giving that illusion. I got a bit more growth than you'd normally expect - about 4mm of forward growth in total probably thanks to blasting GH peptides during the protraction phase

ok i got it now you are mentally disabled

 

[goat2x]

Fucking retard, just cuz ur the most common barking dog on .me doesn’t mean people know u for anything else . Did you even watch the fucking videos , utter idiot with 80 iq , dr ting said 3mm for adults and 8mm for children.

I LIVE IN YOUR HEAD RENT FREE YOU UTTER FUCKING SUBHUMAN
JFL AT YOUR IQ LEVELS HE SAID 1-3MM AND THEN THEY AGREED ON 1-2 TYPICALLY
JUST SLIT YOUR WRISTS TBH LIFE ISNT WORTH LIVING WITH THIS IQ LEVELS YOU BRAINLET FAGGOT

 

[orthochadic]

There's literally CCW rotation of the maxillary complex occuring in that pic. Room temperature IQ smoothbrain confirmed .


No upswing/midface shortening although my nasal cartilage support improved a lot, giving that illusion. I got a bit more growth than you'd normally expect - about 4mm of forward growth in total probably thanks to blasting GH peptides during the protraction phase

So you got a whole 4 mm and not even 1 mm of shortening. did you measure your nose length ?

 

[Bromose]

I LIVE IN YOUR HEAD RENT FREE YOU UTTER FUCKING SUBHUMAN
JFL AT YOUR IQ LEVELS HE SAID 1-3MM AND THEN THEY AGREED ON 1-2 TYPICALLY
JUST SLIT YOUR WRISTS TBH LIFE ISNT WORTH LIVING WITH THIS IQ LEVELS YOU BRAINLET FAGGOT

You have been defeated stop barking now it’s over.

 

[goat2x]

You have been defeated stop barking now it’s over.

lol
you just dont want to admit that you are just a moaning fucking subhuman dog keep crying
thats why you want to stop this
you are scared of me
this is highschool all over again the jock is bullying your peahead

 

[varbrah]

ok i got it now you are mentally disabled

Compare the angle of the nasal base in the before and after.

Now stop questioning the OG faggot, you only know about MSE by my grace.

 

[Deleted member 7076]

i will make a tl : dr thread about the interview
but they expect like 1-2 mm of forward growth with mse

waste of money
just use that for aesthetic surgeries JFL

 

[Bromose]

lol
you just dont want to admit that you are just a moaning fucking subhuman dog keep crying
thats why you want to stop this
you are scared of me
this is highschool all over again the jock is bullying your peahead

Brutal delusional pill by ur utter retardedness tbh. Stop spreading false shit 3mm is achievable like dr ting said, which is basically bimax tier. Keep crying while I fuck your mother and girl in the ass ngl

 

[JosephGarrot123]

lol
you just dont want to admit that you are just a moaning fucking subhuman dog keep crying
thats why you want to stop this
you are scared of me
this is highschool all over again the jock is bullying your peahead

these niggas are really debating against evidence based facts doctors that have researching for a century these niggas are pea headed faggots believing user theories JFL

 

[JosephGarrot123]

waste of money
just use that for aesthetic surgeries JFL

all this face pulling bullshit... just get Bimax jfl

 

[goat2x]

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Compare the angle of the nasal base in the before and after.

Now stop questioning the OG faggot, you only know about MSE by my grace.

literally they say that your maxilla will come down you are not an oq you are just a wanna be faggot
you can see it in the pic

 

[Deleted member 7076]

all this face pulling bullshit... just get Bimax jfl

i know... MSE is not made for forward growth