DOES 400mg test E/ week PERMANENTLY fuck HPTA at 18?? [HIGH IQ GTFIH]

[nik.077]

Ive read so many threads about this topic now and to be honest im more confused now than I was before for every 10 people saying I will perma fuck my body there are 10 more telling me just do PCT and you will be fine

I dont plan on doing this for bone mass or any other cope, just body halo.

I was planning on doing:

400mg testosterone enanthate/week for 12 weeks
4IU HGH
500mcg HCG 2x per week
Exemestane (Aromasin) as needed and based on blood work

(would I need anything else for PCT or is AI+HCG on cycle enough?)

my main concern is just that my HPTA doesnt recover or I perma fuck my endocrine system + dick - should I just wait 2 more years or so before my first cycle?

I need some high IQ people please.

@chadisbeingmade @Rigged @Orc - I saw you guys post in a few threads regarding this topic

thanks for any help, I know this question probably gets asked a lot but like I said, ive yet to find a clear answer.

 

[slayerbones]

Taking test with hcg wont completely shut down your testosterone production to zero but as soon as your testicles stop producing as much testosterone because of being on exogenous testosterone your levels will always be lower than if you’d never used testosterone at all. So once you start it’s pretty much a lifelong commitment because your natural production may never fully recover or as the same as natty.

 

[llane9]

test enanth for 12 weeks is too short. why are you opposed to just blasting and cruising?

 

[Whirr22222]

U wont be on for 12 weeks. 1000%.

Also, It literally doesnt matter when u can just blast cruise for life and run HCG when you try for a kid. But from what i remember the data is really not that bad at all.

 

[nik.077]

U wont be on for 12 weeks. 1000%.

Also, It literally doesnt matter when u can just blast cruise for life and run HCG when you try for a kid. But from what i remember the data is really not that bad at all.

yeah, for that hmG also exists but I dont really like the idea of TRT for life (yet)

thanks tho, this gives me the confidence to finally pin

 

[nik.077]

test enanth for 12 weeks is too short. why are you opposed to just blasting and cruising?

Im not sure how I will feel about this in 10 years yk. I dont want to make a decision at 18 which impacts me for the rest of my life.
with fucking up my HPTA that would force me to do TRT which I dont know if I would regret when im 30+

 

[nik.077]

test enanth for 12 weeks is too short. why are you opposed to just blasting and cruising?

I thought 12w would be fine (as the bare minimum from what ive read, 12-16 weeks)
thats about 2 vials of 250/ml 10ml 400per week

I wanted to stay at the lowest possible, but still reccomended, lenght of a cycle because of HPTA regeneration (thats all I really care about)

 

[childishkillah]

No, you'll be fine.

 

[yussimania]

U wont be on for 12 weeks. 1000%.

Also, It literally doesnt matter when u can just blast cruise for life and run HCG when you try for a kid. But from what i remember the data is really not that bad at all.

no don't leave it until you want to try for a kid your balls will atrophy and fibrosis may occur. Run HCG throughout but don't overdo it due to leydig desensitisation. If you decide to come off just go off and keep running HCG to lessen the crash. Enclomiphene if your HPTA has been dormant for many years since it's basically a cold start.

Correct me if im wrong though im still learning and researching everything before i commit to it

 

[llane9]

I thought 12w would be fine (as the bare minimum from what ive read, 12-16 weeks)
thats about 2 vials of 250/ml 10ml 400per week

I wanted to stay at the lowest possible, but still reccomended, lenght of a cycle because of HPTA regeneration (thats all I really care about)

its gonna take like 4+ weeks to even fully saturate, if you wanted to run a short cycle you should of just bought prop. 12 weeks on enanth just isn't gonna yield much, you should run at least 16 preferably 20+. and a couple more weeks isn't really gonna have any impact on your hptas ability to bounce back.

 

[Whirr22222]

no don't leave it until you want to try for a kid your balls will atrophy and fibrosis may occur. Run HCG throughout but don't overdo it due to leydig desensitisation. If you decide to come off just go off and keep running HCG to lessen the crash. Enclomiphene if your HPTA has been dormant for many years since it's basically a cold start.

Correct me if im wrong though im still learning and researching everything before i commit to it

Very unlikely if ur running test only and below a gram, and blasting and cruising. Fibrosis is if ur running highly suppresive shit like ment and tren and even then, probably for longer amounts of time.

 

[nik.077]

thanks everyone for the help @Whirr22222 @llane9 @yussimania @childishkillah

this gave me the peace of mind to finally hop on. if my HPTA doesnt recover tho, I will sue yall, be prepared to hear from my lawyer

 

[m0ss26]

no offense but this is a retarded thread

 

[nik.077]

no offense but this is a retarded thread

 

[nik.077]

no offense but this is a retarded thread

can you at least elaborate?

 

[m0ss26]

can you at least elaborate?

just pin

 

[nik.077]

just pin

I wouldnt if I fuck myself up doing it, now that I know I wont, I will

 

[yussimania]

just pin

bad advice he needs to research this properly first, learn healthy biomarkers, get bloodwork done, learn the esters of testosterone, the correct ancillaries, training sleep and nutrition on point, how to reconstitute, how to navigate sources and lab results for purity, how to inject safely with sterile technique, etc...

 

[slaters]

No I’ve been off for over a month and I feel fine now probably bloodwork in a few weeks
I feel tho the lower test u are naturally the higher chance of raping your Hpta

 

[nik.077]

No I’ve been off for over a month and I feel fine now probably bloodwork in a few weeks
I feel tho the lower test u are naturally the higher chance of raping your Hpta

did you do on cycle hcg and PCT?

 

[m0ss26]

bad advice he needs to research this properly first, learn healthy biomarkers, get bloodwork done, learn the esters of testosterone, the correct ancillaries, training sleep and nutrition on point, how to reconstitute, how to navigate sources and lab results for purity, how to inject safely with sterile technique, etc...

shut the fuck up nigger ur 10x stupider than me and all that shit is common sense

 

[slaters]

did you do on cycle hcg and PCT?

Nothing I had insomnia and couldn’t get hard for like 2 or 3 weeks though

 

[yussimania]

shut the fuck up nigger ur 10x stupider than me and all that shit is common sense

i would put you in a spladle if you ever said this to me irl

 

[nik.077]

bad advice he needs to research this properly first, learn healthy biomarkers, get bloodwork done, learn the esters of testosterone, the correct ancillaries, training sleep and nutrition on point, how to reconstitute, how to navigate sources and lab results for purity, how to inject safely with sterile technique, etc...

I know all of this already. Im already on mt1, ghk-cu, and used hgh before

I already sent something to janoshik to test with a group before, and got blood work done in the past (will do before on cycle and post cycle too.)

 

[Brian Weber]

I've heard var + enclo instead might not shut you down

 

[Deleted member 269252]

I've heard var + enclo instead might not shut you down

Horrible advice.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Im not sure how I will feel about this in 10 years yk. I dont want to make a decision at 18 which impacts me for the rest of my life.
with fucking up my HPTA that would force me to do TRT which I dont know if I would regret when im 30+

Then you should blast and cruise until then. Doing one cycle and pcting is a horrible idea.

 

[Brian Weber]

Horrible advice.

explain in fortnite terms

 

[Deleted member 269252]

explain in fortnite terms

Var is more suppressive than typical SARMs (what you usually see paired with enclo) and enclo may not bring back baseline testosterone levels for everyone and would still typically take a while for your test to recover. (Likely resulting in negative net gains)

 

[Brian Weber]

Var is more suppressive than typical SARMs (what you usually see paired with enclo) and enclo may not bring back baseline testosterone levels for everyone and would still typically take a while for your test to recover. (Likely resulting in negative net gains)

Sorry, SARMS are more suppressive than var do a Google search. I shoulda known you were retarded when i saw 16 rep though

 

[Deleted member 269252]

Sorry, SARMS are more suppressive than Anavar do a Google search. I shoulda known you were retarded when i saw 16 rep though

Yes bro rep equates to pure knowledge!
This purely depends on which SARM(s) your referencing. Either way, running any oral without a test base is not smart.

 

[Brian Weber]

Yes bro rep equates to pure knowledge!
This purely depends on which SARM(s) your referencing. Either way, running any oral without a test base is not smart.

U said typical sarms btw blacky. So yeah the average sarm is more suppressive then var

 

[Deleted member 269252]

U said typical sarms btw blacky. So yeah the average sarm is more suppressive then var

Sorry, SARMS are more suppressive than Anavar do a Google search. I shoulda known you were retarded when i saw 16 rep though

Okay I did double check and I did slightly misspeak, Anavar seems to be a bit less suppressive than LGD4 and RAD-140 ("average" SARMs) BUT the liver and lipid profile is worse.

If we ratio the suppression and muscle gain Anavar might have a worse tradeoff, which I should've said instead.

 

[Brian Weber]

 

[Brian Weber]

Okay I did double check and I did slightly misspeak, Anavar seems to be a bit less suppressive than LGD4 and RAD-140 ("average" SARMs) BUT the liver and lipid profile is worse.

If we ratio the suppression and muscle gain Anavar might have a worse tradeoff, which I should've said instead.

Good boy, Submit to your aryan master

 

[nik.077]

Then you should blast and cruise until then. Doing one cycle and pcting is a horrible idea.

and after a few years of blast and cruise i can just come off?

 

[nik.077]

bump

 

[test monster]

Ive read so many threads about this topic now and to be honest im more confused now than I was before for every 10 people saying I will perma fuck my body there are 10 more telling me just do PCT and you will be fine

I dont plan on doing this for bone mass or any other cope, just body halo.

I was planning on doing:

400mg testosterone enanthate/week for 12 weeks
4IU HGH
500mcg HCG 2x per week
Exemestane (Aromasin) as needed and based on blood work

(would I need anything else for PCT or is AI+HCG on cycle enough?)

my main concern is just that my HPTA doesnt recover or I perma fuck my endocrine system + dick - should I just wait 2 more years or so before my first cycle?

I need some high IQ people please.

@chadisbeingmade @Rigged @Orc - I saw you guys post in a few threads regarding this topic

thanks for any help, I know this question probably gets asked a lot but like I said, ive yet to find a clear answer.

cruise on trt

 

[aids]

100% of people that have abused AAS can recover endogenous production from PCT.
Not 98%, not 99%.

Recovery of spermatogenesis following testosterone replacement therapy or anabolic-androgenic steroid use - PMC

The use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for hypogonadism continues to rise, particularly in younger men who may wish to remain fertile. Concurrently, awareness of a more pervasive use of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) within the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Striated]

100% of people that have abused AAS can recover endogenous production from PCT.
Not 98%, not 99%.

Recovery of spermatogenesis following testosterone replacement therapy or anabolic-androgenic steroid use - PMC

The use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for hypogonadism continues to rise, particularly in younger men who may wish to remain fertile. Concurrently, awareness of a more pervasive use of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) within the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

would clomid be the best pct in your opinion?

and is this still the same % if hcg is not utilised at all throughout cycle?

 

[Deleted member 269252]

would clomid be the best pct in your opinion?

and is this still the same % if hcg is not utilised at all throughout cycle?

Enclo is better, clomid is a mix of two isomers - enclo and zuclomiphene.

 

[Deleted member 269252]

and after a few years of blast and cruise i can just come off?

The older you are the less likely this becomes, older people may not recover natural test production (or at least an optimal amount).
I'd say in your case very likely yes but usually people feel like shit for a few months even with enclo and hcg. Ideally you'd run trt instead of coming off.

 

[taiz]

Ive read so many threads about this topic now and to be honest im more confused now than I was before for every 10 people saying I will perma fuck my body there are 10 more telling me just do PCT and you will be fine

I dont plan on doing this for bone mass or any other cope, just body halo.

I was planning on doing:

400mg testosterone enanthate/week for 12 weeks
4IU HGH
500mcg HCG 2x per week
Exemestane (Aromasin) as needed and based on blood work

(would I need anything else for PCT or is AI+HCG on cycle enough?)

my main concern is just that my HPTA doesnt recover or I perma fuck my endocrine system + dick - should I just wait 2 more years or so before my first cycle?

I need some high IQ people please.

@chadisbeingmade @Rigged @Orc - I saw you guys post in a few threads regarding this topic

thanks for any help, I know this question probably gets asked a lot but like I said, ive yet to find a clear answer.

you're 18 son I think you'll be fine as long as you run hcg and decent pct, I would prob up the HGH dose though, just make sure youre getting blood test to make sure you don't get diabetes, make sure you keep a little estrogen to but aromasin is still a good idea

 

[Deleted member 269252]

100% of people that have abused AAS can recover endogenous production from PCT.
Not 98%, not 99%.

Recovery of spermatogenesis following testosterone replacement therapy or anabolic-androgenic steroid use - PMC

The use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for hypogonadism continues to rise, particularly in younger men who may wish to remain fertile. Concurrently, awareness of a more pervasive use of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) within the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is more so about spermatogenesis than testosterone production, anyways this study mentions NOT 100% of people can recover.

"Such effects on the HPG axis are potentially reversible with cessation of AAS use, but the time to recovery is highly variable and influenced by the dose and extent of stacking multiple AAS agents, duration of AAS use, and patient age.8,34 Data specifically looking at recovery of spermatogenesis after cessation of AAS are scant, but case reports suggest that recovery is feasible within 4–12 months although some patients may require up to 24–30 months to return to sperm concentrations of >20 × 106 ml-1.14,15,35,36,37 It cannot be understated that given the inherent variability in patient characteristics and AAS agent(s) used, a uniform recovery of the HPG axis cannot be expected in all patients."

 

[aids]

This is more so about spermatogenesis than testosterone production, anyways this study mentions NOT 100% of people can recover.

"Such effects on the HPG axis are potentially reversible with cessation of AAS use, but the time to recovery is highly variable and influenced by the dose and extent of stacking multiple AAS agents, duration of AAS use, and patient age.8,34 Data specifically looking at recovery of spermatogenesis after cessation of AAS are scant, but case reports suggest that recovery is feasible within 4–12 months although some patients may require up to 24–30 months to return to sperm concentrations of >20 × 106 ml-1.14,15,35,36,37 It cannot be understated that given the inherent variability in patient characteristics and AAS agent(s) used, a uniform recovery of the HPG axis cannot be expected in all patients."

Yes, you are right, and obviously this study should not be interpreted without nuance. Good pick up.

 

[Keylozz]

Even without hCG you would most likely recover with time, and if you do the right protocol you are even safer (hCG + SERMs, even you can rawdog the PCT with only hCG)

There is cases of bodybuilders who fully recovered after +10y of grams of abuse weekly on blast and cruise, who didn’t PCTd neither used hCG during cycle and they recovered to normal mid ranges

Im talking about Pete Rubbish, you can see his case, it was slow but he didn’t PCTd and still recovered

 

[nik.077]

100% of people that have abused AAS can recover endogenous production from PCT.
Not 98%, not 99%.

Recovery of spermatogenesis following testosterone replacement therapy or anabolic-androgenic steroid use - PMC

The use of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for hypogonadism continues to rise, particularly in younger men who may wish to remain fertile. Concurrently, awareness of a more pervasive use of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) within the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

yes, ive seen this quoted many times before but I was just worried in regards to my age as my body and HPTA is also still developing

 

[nik.077]

cruise on trt

not sure if I like that idea (yet)

 

[testandtitos]

Ive read so many threads about this topic now and to be honest im more confused now than I was before for every 10 people saying I will perma fuck my body there are 10 more telling me just do PCT and you will be fine

I dont plan on doing this for bone mass or any other cope, just body halo.

I was planning on doing:

400mg testosterone enanthate/week for 12 weeks
4IU HGH
500mcg HCG 2x per week
Exemestane (Aromasin) as needed and based on blood work

(would I need anything else for PCT or is AI+HCG on cycle enough?)

my main concern is just that my HPTA doesnt recover or I perma fuck my endocrine system + dick - should I just wait 2 more years or so before my first cycle?

I need some high IQ people please.

@chadisbeingmade @Rigged @Orc - I saw you guys post in a few threads regarding this topic

thanks for any help, I know this question probably gets asked a lot but like I said, ive yet to find a clear answer.

you wont even fucking need pct or hcg or ai for 400 test. Especially at 18 natural test production comes back quickly.

 

[nik.077]

you wont even fucking need pct or hcg or ai for 400 test. Especially at 18 natural test production comes back quickly.

do you think i should add something or is test 400 only fine for first cycle?