Does ‘free will’ exist?

[PsychoDsk]

Imo it doesn’t
Everything is pre-planned.
Even if you think you’re doing something out of wanting it intrinsically, you’re really not.
There is no ‘wanting’ something in this world. You may want to drive a ferrari but does the real you really?
Or did you just get brainwashed by rich ppl driving those cars, brainwashed by the societal norms of classes.

You can’t know what you want cuz you actually don’t want anything.
Nothing is your own choice, you’re either acting on what your body desires or on what your brain delluded yourself into thinking what you want.

This is the same for free will.
You have no free will, even when you think of being free.
Everything comes down to cause, reaction and bodily instincts.

I might swing my arms around autistically to show this is an action out of free will but it really is a reaction on me trying to prove free will exists.

This theory destroys every philosophical thought ever presented to the world.

I’m fried
Please some1 prove to me that free will does actually exists

 

[PsychoDsk]

Is there a way to figure out what happiness is fundamentally or are we just stuck in a world consumed by greed and pretended short term delight (aka delusional happiness)

 

[PsychoDsk]

@Tyler x Durden @PsychoH @Michael Myers

 

[Juandigomigo22]

Is there a way to figure out what happiness is fundamentally or are we just stuck in a world consumed by greed and pretended short term delight (aka delusional happiness)

Just ask forum full of incels theory

 

[LancasteR]

To a limited point, yes.

 

[PsychoDsk]

To a limited point, yes.

To what extend, what would you consider free will?

 

[_MVP_]

Free will doesnt exist, but you cannot always focus on having no free will, which again proves free will doesnt exist

 

[PsychoDsk]

Free will doesnt exist, but you cannot always focus on having no free will, which again proves free will doesnt exist

How are you supposed to live with this knowledge bru, how can you ever be internally at peace when you know the ‘real you’ doesn’t even fucking exist.
consciousness is a curse

 

[Deleted member 43881]

Everything is pre-planned.

say i have a random vibration in a closed system

over time since that random vibration will touch every object in the space it will be made completely random

this is how god is entertained by earth


freewill and predetermination doesnt exist

 

[LancasteR]

To what extend, what would you consider free will?

Everyone can try to choose if they‘ll let be overpowered by their animalistic basic desires and behavior.
Just because we don‘t come from animals that doesn‘t mean we don‘t act like them.
It‘s all about overcoming the human animal/carnal nature.

 

[PsychoDsk]

Everyone can try to choose if they‘ll let be overpowered by their animalistic basic desires and behavior.
Just because we don‘t come from animals that doesn‘t mean we don‘t act like them.
It‘s all about overcoming the human animal/carnal nature.

Why would you want to get rid of these animalistic behaviours? Isn’t that what makes us human in some way?
What would you be without those animalistic desires and behaviour, you would be nothing. We are basically animals, we were just granted the curse of consciousness. This is the ONLY thing that separates us from dogs, lions and rats.

How could you ever want to dismiss these qualities?

 

[PsychoDsk]

Everyone can try to choose if they‘ll let be overpowered by their animalistic basic desires and behavior.
Just because we don‘t come from animals that doesn‘t mean we don‘t act like them.
It‘s all about overcoming the human animal/carnal nature.

Why would you want to get rid of these animalistic behaviours? Isn’t that what makes us human in some way?
What would you be without those animalistic desires and behaviour, you would be nothing. We are basically animals, we were just granted the curse of consciousness. This is the ONLY thing that separates us from dogs, lions and rats.

How could you ever want to dismiss these qualities?

 

[PsychoDsk]

say i have a random vibration in a closed system

over time since that random vibration will touch every object in the space it will be made completely random

this is how god is entertained by earth


freewill and predetermination doesnt exist

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God is dead brodie

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

I just masturbated, do I still not have free will?

 

[PsychoDsk]

I just masturbated, do I still not have free will?

Well you masturbated cuz you’re a useless piece of shit with no future, not cuz you wanted to boyo.
It gave you dopamine and short term pleasure, that’s why you convinced yourself you wanted to smack dat dick.

No hate, I’m useless too

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

God is dead brodie

no look hes alive

 

[looksmaxxed]

if everything is governed by unalterable physical laws, then yes, there's no difference between "real life" and a "simulation"

 

[PsychoDsk]

if everything is governed by unalterable physical laws, then yes, there's no difference between "real life" and a "simulation"

 

[MaghrebGator]

It definetly exists but it's impossible to prove in the current paradigm.

Pretty much similar to gravity but not a 100% comparable, we know it exists somehow because we can see the effects just like i know instinctively i have the will to either write or not write this comment but it can't be proven empirically. Maybe in the future with advances in the field of quantum physics but first science will need to get rid of (((their))) influence

Really recommend this video for begginers

 

[LancasteR]

Why would you want to get rid of these animalistic behaviours? Isn’t that what makes us human in some way?
What would you be without those animalistic desires and behaviour, you would be nothing. We are basically animals, we were just granted the curse of consciousness. This is the ONLY thing that separates us from dogs, lions and rats.

How could you ever want to dismiss these qualities?

So traits like sympathy, empathy and morals make us less human?

Indifference, violence and herd/hierarchy-based treatment is found more common amongst animals.

 

[PsychoDsk]

It definetly exists but it's impossible to prove in the current paradigm.

Pretty much similar to gravity but not a 100% comparable, we know it exists somehow because we can see the effects just like i know instinctively i have the will to either write or not write this comment but it can't be proven empirically

Really recommend this video for begginers

But when there is ‘presentable proof’ about free will like you’re saying you chose to write this comment. There can always be an argument made that it’s not free will.
It’s a very very weird

I’ve watched hundreds of videos and studied every philosophy that was ever spoken about but I can not seem to get over the fact that free will might not be something that actually exists.

Basically everything I seem to know abt life and human nature can just be destroyed with ‘well yea you basically didn’t choose what to do, feel or be’

 

[Lysine]

Yes. Saying otherwise is fatalist cope

 

[PsychoDsk]

So traits like sympathy, empathy and morals make us less human?

Indifference, violence and herd/hierarchy-based treatment is found more common amongst animals.

Sympathy, empathy and moral/ethics are not ruled out to only humans. Animals experience all of this too, just in completely diff ways than us humans.

There isn’t a single thing that differentiates us to animals than simply consciousness. You can try but you won’t find anything

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

Depends on how you define free will. You are able to make decisions and think, change the course of your life by will. You aren't a beast.

 

[LancasteR]

Sympathy, empathy and moral/ethics are not ruled out to only humans. Animals experience all of this too, just in completely diff ways than us humans.

But these traits are found way less in animals that‘s the point. I should‘ve specified more.

 

[PsychoDsk]

Depends on how you define free will. You are able to make decisions and think, change the course of your life by will. You aren't a beast.

How do you know that’s free will?
Those ‘decisions’ are always influenced by external factors.
Let’s say you have the option to either work in this hospital or not work in that hospital. It depends on how you feel on decision day, on what experiences happened the day be4 that influenced your mood and openness to new challenges. Nothing is out of pure free will, everything that you believe is free will is simply a reaction on a certain kind of stimulant or action that presented itself in the past.

You’re not an empty piece of paper that writes it’s own history, you’re a piece of paper where something else (not yourself) is the writer

 

[PsychoDsk]

But these traits are found way less in animals that‘s the point. I should‘ve specified more

Ofcourse, dolphins have more sympathy than let’s say an eagle. That’s animalistic nature, nonetheless animals still experience it.

We are no diff, we just experience diff things on diff levels, that doesn’t make us less animalistic

 

[MaghrebGator]

But when there is ‘presentable proof’ about free will like you’re saying you chose to write this comment. There can always be an argument made that it’s not free will.

The base for it is the inherent human instincts, and free will is one that is common in 100% of humans who have not been influenced. It doesn't matter who you ask, from what culture, etc, if he is a 3-4 year old kid and you ask him whether he has the power of decision and choosing he will say yes without doubting it, just like when you touch his back a 2 year old child instinctively turns. And those extremely commonly shared basic instincts by their own nature are never wrong and never betray their beholder and they are inherited naturally

It’s a very very weird

I’ve watched hundreds of videos and studied every philosophy that was ever spoken about but I can not seem to get over the fact that free will might not be something that actually exists.

I really recommend you to watch more videos of Firas Zahabi. Im muslim so of course im biased and i like him because he is muslim but he has some deep knowledge about this stuff even if you are not, mainly because he studied one of the best muslim scholars on these subjects which is Al Ghazali.

For example here he also argues for Determinism (We muslims believe in a sort of compatibilism in which everything is predestined and decreed by God but at the same time we have free will. Take it as someone who is in a pool and he chooses to jump at the same time that he is pushed by someone)

Basically everything I seem to know abt life and human nature can just be destroyed with ‘well yea you basically didn’t choose what to do, feel or be’

I understand you but it's irrelevant in a sense honestly. I do not give any importance to that. Some people struggle a lot with the free will/predeterminism thing but i never understood why and i have also read about it in depth. It doesn't even fascinate me as a subject like others, but i guess in that sense of course everyone is different. It's nice to learn about everything though.

 

[LancasteR]

Ofcourse, dolphins have more sympathy than let’s say an eagle. That’s animalistic nature, nonetheless animals still experience it.

No animals altogether have less of those traits than us humans. Dolphins commonly rape their females. Yet the regular man doesn’t do that shit.

Us humans have a higher impulse-control. That‘s why humans can hold in their pee or shit when they have to go to toilet whereas a regular cat or dog would piss on the ground.

We are no diff, we just experience diff things on diff levels, that doesn’t make us less animalistic

Yes we are different because we have have an higher impulse-control, verbal abilities, empathy, processing power…
Art, inventions, music…

 

[laaltin]

does it matter incel

 

[PsychoDsk]

No animals altogether have less of those traits than us humans. Dolphins commonly rape their females. Yet the regular man doesn’t do that shit.

Us humans have a higher impulse-control. That‘s why humans can hold in their pee or shit when they have to go to toilet whereas a regular cat or dog would piss on the ground.




Yes we are different because we have have an higher impulse-control, verbal abilities, empathy, processing power…
Art, inventions, music…

Well we humans consider dolphins rapeing eachother as evil, something inhumane. But to them it’s following THEIR moral code or ethical way of life. Who are we to decide what’s evil and good?
Maybe for them it’s evil to mate without rapeing, it’s their nature. I’d argue we are evil by questioning another species’ way of life.

I do agree with the arguments that you laid out.
We are way smarter, more capable of controlling ourselves and processing various sources of information. But in my brain that still doesn’t differentiates us from being animals.
We still have urges, we still have primal instincts that our ancestors (animals) have given to us. But I’m guessing you’re muslim and don’t believe in evolution theory?
Correct me if I’m wrong

 

[PsychoDsk]

The base for it is the inherent human instincts, and free will is one that is common in 100% of humans who have not been influenced. It doesn't matter who you ask, from what culture, etc, if he is a 3-4 year old kid and you ask him whether he has the power of decision and choosing he will say yes without doubting it, just like when you touch his back a 2 year old child instinctively turns. And those extremely commonly shared basic instincts by their own nature are never wrong and never betray their beholder and they are inherited naturally

I really recommend you to watch more videos of Firas Zahabi. Im muslim so of course im biased and i like him because he is muslim but he has some deep knowledge about this stuff even if you are not, mainly because he studied one of the best muslim scholars on these subjects which is Al Ghazali.

For example here he also argues for Determinism (We muslims believe in a sort of compatibilism in which everything is predestined and decreed by God but at the same time we have free will. Take it as someone who is in a pool and he chooses to jump at the same time that he is pushed by someone)



I understand you but it's irrelevant in a sense honestly. I do not give any importance to that. Some people struggle a lot with the free will/predeterminism thing but i never understood why and i have also read about it in depth. It doesn't even fascinate me as a subject like others, but i guess in that sense of course everyone is different. It's nice to learn about everything though.

Bookmarked, I’ll read it in depth tonight I gotto go do something rq

 

[Daddy's Home]

No, we are just animals that have reflexes that exist to protect us from the outside environment in order to survive.

They are unconscious physical, unconscious mental, or conscious mental "reflexes" so to speak (universal existence hits you with information/experience x, you act in mode y because you've seen that this is to your advantage, so you will repeat this over and over again when information/experience x comes. This is how you grow from birth through the years until you die).

Until now, thinking based on conscious thought was thought to be free and unique to us as a species judging by our intelligence to realize that we live and are what we are. Unfortunately, the latest studies have shown that even our decisions that we think we make ''freely'' and ''personally'' based on ''conscience'' (like as someone said on here, masturbating, or doing some random dumb dumb thing that would theoretically seem like a not really productive and illogical action for the body to do autonomously, compared to for example the thought of eating) so basically conscious mental "reflexes", they are all taken by the body, moments before they come into your mind, so also based on previous experiences etc.

This means that all of this life is premeditated and autonomous, based on our own experience x and experience y with which reality is constantly hitting us, which we cannot control.

So in conclusion, we're just in a theater tied to chairs stuck to just see forward towards a POV with a story of a monkey with a premeditated life from birth who does premeditated stuff by the way the surrounding reality comes to him and gives him experiences and information, based on which he then goes on to do other premeditated actions

These will be all possible experiences after death, POVs that we can't control, with different circumstances and context, with different forms in space and time, and we will do this for eternity.

So it's not really over, like maybe in the next POV you'll get to experience the life of someone like Chico, or a billionaire, which should certainly be more fun than what you have now

 

[Gengar]

@Tyler x Durden @PsychoH @Michael Myers

I believe it does.

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

Just ask forum full of incels theory

they actually have time to worry about such nonsense

 

[PsychoH]

@Tyler x Durden @PsychoH @Michael Myers

Eerste non-shitpost post ooit, en ja.
Vanuit je vrije wil komt die pre planning

 

[PsychoH]

kontseks wanneer?

 

[Youㅤ]

Does for me since I’m god