Does hearing "someone wishes they were in your shoes" really emotionally satisfy people?

[imontheloose]

So what, some Zambian child is eating his mum's shit so he has the energy to collect bamboo all day? How is that meant to make me feel better? Because it's worse? Under what standard? Even if it was objectively worse, why does that mean I should be remotely compelled to feel better simply because he's worse?

Under what standard? leads to a question on moral nihilism which I've overdone now. Just grant it as objectively worse than any other X person for argument's sake... how is that a satisfying, comforting detail? As a kid, did you and a friend ever communicate your feelings to one another only for them to seemingly try one-up you on each problem you have/had? It's quite a similar paradigm.

Seems totally ludicrous to me and acts more like a formality than something thoughtfully, or even intentionally, helpful.

@chadisbeingmade @Jonasㅤㅤ @wishIwasSalludon

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ]

It's as empathyless as it gets. They basically try to make your suffering appear less worth by comparing it, "suffering" isn't a competition.

 

[Shrek2OnDvD]

Another persons suffering doesn’t invalidate your own

Btw are u studying philosophy? U seem so wise hehe xD

 

[imontheloose]

It is as empathyless as it gets. They basically try to make your suffering worthless by comparing it with something worse.

Somewhere in the world, you're the X in "X wishes they were in your shoes". Incredibly apathetic.

 

[nobodylovesme]

Very common in this forum.

 

[imontheloose]

Another persons suffering doesn’t invalidate your own

Exactly, friend!

Btw are u studying philosophy? U seem so wise hehe xD

I am an engineering student haha! And oh dear, no, I am definitely not wise.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

The human brain isn’t meant to conceive about things on a large scale

For example you can’t really conceive about just how much 1 million people is

And even that is small compared to 1 billion

It’s sort of the same principle in the example you gave

Also it doesn’t really make much sense in principle either

Because no matter who you are there always someone who has it worse.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Incredibly apathetic

You typically get a response like that if you’re seen as being less desirable by others and thus less deserving of empathy.

Take for example the reaction people have to male vs female depression

 

[imontheloose]

The human brain isn’t meant to conceive about things on a large scale

For example you can’t really conceive about just how much 1 million people is

And even that is small compared to 1 billion

It’s sort of the same principle in the example you gave

Also it doesn’t really make much sense in principle either

Because no matter who you are there always someone who has it worse.

You'd be truly shocked when presented with some form of real-life scale of these numbers. Especially when you hear future death tolls of mass-casualties.

I disagree that there is always someone worse here. Remember, I specified an objective good/bad here; with a finite set, there is an objective best/worst. If this was relative, emotive, or nihilistic, this would all collapse under mere perspective and there is no true worst/best and thus your statement would stand.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I disagree that there is always someone worse here. Remember, I specified an objective good/bad here; with a finite set, there is an objective best/worst.

Back when my mom was in her poor village she would complain to her dad(my grand father) about being hungry and then my grandad would tell her about some kid who got his legs eaten by a crocodile and how she should be greatful

The point being is that this sort of reasoning seems to be used on virtually anyone regardless of circumstance

 

[imontheloose]

Back when my mom was in her poor village she would complain to her dad(my grand father) about being hungry and then my grandad would tell her about some kid who got his legs eaten by a crocodile and how she should be greatful

The point being is that this sort of reasoning seems to be used on virtually anyone regardless of circumstance

True! Universal indeed as objectivity doesn’t exist in applied morality.

 

[Copercel]

I am an engineering student haha! And oh dear, no, I am definitely not wise.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

True! Universal indeed as objectivity doesn’t exist in applied morality.

I think a sinister possibility for why people say this so much is to get people to just shut up because they don’t care about your problems.

This is typically only a problem for undesirables, I’ve noticed the amount of empathy you receive depends a lot on who you are.

 

[imontheloose]

I think a sinister possibility for why people say this so much is to get people to just shut up because they don’t care about your problems.

This is typically only a problem for undesirables, I’ve noticed the amount of empathy you receive depends a lot on who you are.

I thought about this. Kind of a, oh pack it in, will ya’!

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

I thought about this. Kind of a, oh pack it in, will ya’!

It’s kinda brutal how some people are exalted just for existing and then there are dudes like me who are just thrown to the meat grinder from birth

I try not to think about this too often

 

[imontheloose]

It’s kinda brutal how some people are exalted just for existing and then there are dudes like me who are just thrown to the meat grinder from birth

I try not to think about this too often

Life is a cruel dice roll I didn’t choose to partake in.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Life is a cruel dice roll I didn’t choose to partake in.

The most brutal Blackpill is that if there is a God I will most likely be tortured for all eternity

Fucked over in this life, and fucked over in the next. Brutal!

 

[imontheloose]

The most brutal Blackpill is that if there is a God I will most likely be tortured for all eternity

Fucked over in this life, and fucked over in the next. Brutal!

He’s showing you his love. Cope.

 

[imontheloose]

The most brutal Blackpill is that if there is a God I will most likely be tortured for all eternity

Fucked over in this life, and fucked over in the next. Brutal!

Even if God existed and revealed himself to me, he isn’t worthy of worship. INB4 skeptical theists.

 

[org3cel.RR]

That expression isnt only a representation of apathy towards ones emotions but also represents the wrong way of thinking. Being grateful for what u have now, is for me, an excuse to neglet improvement. I think its mandatory for everyone to always want more. Not in the greedy way, but in a way where theres always room for more.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

He’s showing you his love. Cope.

A lot of atheists say that if god existed they’d tell him to go fuck himself or they’d rather go to hell

I’m just gonna be straight up, if I learned God existed I’d be his number 1 ass kisser

I’m not being tortured for eternity fuck that bro

 

[imontheloose]

That expression isnt only a representation of apathy towards ones emotions but also represents the wrong way of thinking. Being grateful for what u have now, is for me, an excuse to neglet improvement. I think it’s mandatory for everyone to always want more. Not in the greedy way, but in a way where theres always room for more.

You’re talking about motivation: a motive to improve. Incredibly individual thing, but point taken.

 

[org3cel.RR]

You’re talking about motivation: a motive to improve. Incredibly individual thing, but point taken.

Yes I think I didnt make myself clear, to back your phrase,
Theres 2 ways of thinking:
"Hey that guy is worst then me because he is homelees, then my 9-5 job is amazing and I shouldnt complain"
Or
"My 9-5 job is shit, Ill work harder to get better"
That kind of thing, normally only families with poverty are affiliated with being grateful for everything.
An hispanic family is happy with a barbecue sunday while the swedish family is in full stress even tho they get paid 6 digits per year.
My point is that:
>U shouldnt look down on others, instead look what others do better
>never be content with what u have now
>always do better
Idk if this makes sense rn its 2 am

 

[imontheloose]

A lot of atheists say that if god existed they’d tell him to go fuck himself or they’d rather go to hell

I’m just gonna be straight up, if I learned God existed I’d be his number 1 ass kisser

I’m not being tortured for eternity fuck that bro

Would you be genuine, though? Why would your rationale regarding atheist arguments suddenly collapse when God is upon you? If you aren’t genuine, you’ll be thrown even deeper for hypocrisy.

The point is that God is unlikely to exist due to the problems, particularly evil for me, so I think it’s incredibly hard to rationalise that he is somehow, not only real, but permits this all and expects the very humans he manufactured to be indefinitely cognitively incompetent at comprehending a concrete reason to all of a sudden worship him due to his might.

 

[org3cel.RR]

A lot of atheists say that if god existed they’d tell him to go fuck himself or they’d rather go to hell

I’m just gonna be straight up, if I learned God existed I’d be his number 1 ass kisser

I’m not being tortured for eternity fuck that bro

The thing is you dont really care about God, like u said, u dont wanna be tortured, what kind of "good God" would sent u to eternal misery for disrespecting his rules, sounds just like an abusive father to me.
I think God on itself isnt what pushed people back then, Faith did, imagine u truly believed that a superior God amongst everything that has ever existed is on your side, wouldnt u feel more confident and powerful?

 

[imontheloose]

Yes I think I didnt make myself clear, to back your phrase,
Theres 2 ways of thinking:
"Hey that guy is worst then me because he is homelees, then my 9-5 job is amazing and I shouldnt complain"
Or
"My 9-5 job is shit, Ill work harder to get better"
That kind of thing, normally only families with poverty are affiliated with being grateful for everything.
An hispanic family is happy with a barbecue sunday while the swedish family is in full stress even tho they get paid 6 digits per year.
My point is that:
>U shouldnt look down on others, instead look what others do better
>never be content with what u have now
>always do better
Idk if this makes sense rn its 2 am

I know what you mean, but that is relative as you’ve shown. I’m trying to find a solution to the objective premise.