Does knowing a lot about surgery have a benefit?

[Jesus_ist_König]

People like @zemult or @lurking truecel or who tf else know about facial ratios and surgery a lot.

But I ask myself: Isn’t this shit a waste of time cuz at the end of the day the surgeon will do wtv he wants and won’t get tutored by his customer? On top of that many ppl say here to act NT and not send the surgeon morphs or numbers etc and to just go along with what he says

So at the end of the day id just say be low inhib and know somewhat what surgeries you need to get and the biggest part is getting the money and a good surgeon.

Thoughts?

 

[lawenstn]

But I ask myself: Isn’t this shit a waste of time cuz at the end of the day the surgeon will do wtv he wants and won’t get tutored by his customer? On top of that many ppl say here to act NT and not send the surgeon morphs or numbers etc and to just go along with what he says

Strongly depends on the country and surgeon. A lot of surgeons in western countries wouldn’t want to deal with ppl like this and the first thing they would suspect is that the patient has BDD so in most cases they would get turned away. But that changes quite quickly once you go to more third world countries since there are other regulations and they generally need the money more then the others.

You can still get far with being NT because a thorough planning isn’t unusual especially if people pay a lot of money so you can generally communicate what you want and need and only agree to the surgery once the planning is done and your satisfied. Modern surgery always includes visual planning so no need for self made morphs. All you got to do in the end is to trust the surgeon that he can actually achieve what you want

 

[justjutting]

Best ascensions are usually from reddit foids who don't research the intricacies of surgery but rather spend most of their DYOR time researching facebook groups and finding independent reviews of certain surgeons.

 

[koops]

Best ascensions are usually from reddit foids who don't research the intricacies of surgery but rather spend most of their DYOR time researching facebook groups and finding independent reviews of certain surgeons.

Yeah they actually go out and find a good plastic surgeon and get stuff done. But when you stop and think about it, they are missing out on funny Taban jokes, Giant glaze, LL debate threads, r/jawsurgery underadvancements and the 300th "what surgery to ascend to htn" thread this month so it's actually their loss overall

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Strongly depends on the country and surgeon. A lot of surgeons in western countries wouldn’t want to deal with ppl like this and the first thing they would suspect is that the patient has BDD so in most cases they would get turned away. But that changes quite quickly once you go to more third world countries since there are other regulations and they generally need the money more then the others.

You can still get far with being NT because a thorough planning isn’t unusual especially if people pay a lot of money so you can generally communicate what you want and need and only agree to the surgery once the planning is done and your satisfied. Modern surgery always includes visual planning so no need for self made morphs. All you got to do in the end is to trust the surgeon that he can actually achieve what you want

Yeah I think that dude u just go to the surgeon and see his ideas and if u like it then u ask others on org what they think and if its good then yeah. I mean at the end the guy with 8mm will be happier than the guy searching for 10mm but never actually doing it.

It’s more of a time game. When ur 30 years old the years of finding ur wife might be over… you should ascend sooner.

I mean you need some knowledge but at the end the surgeon who did it for years might know more than you

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Best ascensions are usually from reddit foids who don't research the intricacies of surgery but rather spend most of their DYOR time researching facebook groups and finding independent reviews of certain surgeons.

Yes exactly that’s what I’m talking about. I think finding the surgeon is more important. For example I’m not a fan of big surgeons like ramieri and pagnoni cuz they fucking ghost u and don’t care abt u. There is 100 more than you. I’d rather go to a mid local surgeon that cares abt me

 

[Niebvll]

But I ask myself: Isn’t this shit a waste of time cuz at the end of the day the surgeon will do wtv he wants and won’t get tutored by his customer?

He wont get tutored, but he will follow customer demands. If you would like to achieve certain ratios that differ from what the surgeon would do, but are possible, he will very unlikely say no.

On top of that many ppl say here to act NT and not send the surgeon morphs or numbers etc and to just go along with what he says

Thats just bs, they're not gonna drop the job just because you know what you want. What he thinks about you doesnt matter as well in the end, youre there for surgery not a friendship

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

He wont get tutored, but he will follow customer demands. If you would like to achieve certain ratios that differ from what the surgeon would do, but are possible, he will very unlikely say no.

Yes but that’s also the problem with ratios. Ppl goon to much to ratios, at the end you don’t need the fucking Frankfurt line or wtf else. Just eyeball it. That’s what imma trynna find out cuz I think knowing a bit of ratios is good but at the end just eyeball it

Thats just bs, they're not gonna drop the job just because you know what you want. What he thinks about you doesnt matter as well in the end, youre there for surgery not a friendship

It does. There are threads of ppl here who send morphs and then got ghosted by the surgeon it’s water, but don’t believe me then

 

[Niebvll]

Yes but that’s also the problem with ratios. Ppl goon to much to ratios, at the end you don’t need the fucking Frankfurt line or wtf else. Just eyeball it. That’s what imma trynna find out cuz I think knowing a bit of ratios is good but at the end just eyeball it

No? Why would you eyeball it if you know the ratios lol?

It does. There are threads of ppl here who send morphs and then got ghosted by the surgeon it’s water, but don’t believe me then

Show me those threads and those surgeons

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

No? Why would you eyeball it if you know the ratios lol?

Cuz it’s more important

Show me those threads and those surgeons

No

 

[justjutting]

No? Why would you eyeball it if you know the ratios lol?

Because u dont want come off as a psl autist. Its far better to go in and say something like "make my face more masculine or make my cheekbones broader" than go in with full psl lingo mode on and be like "muh bizygomatic width is 134, can u make it 147 so i can come off perfect according to pubmed studies"

 

[Niebvll]

Because u dont want come off as a psl autist. Its far better to go in and say something like "make my face more masculine or make my cheekbones broader" than go in with full psl lingo mode on and be like "muh bizygomatic width is 134, can u make it 147 so i can come off perfect according to pubmed studies"

That is far better in what way?
I already said how the way the surgeon perceives you socially, literally doesnt matter

 

[justjutting]

That is far better in what way?
I already said how the way the surgeon perceives you socially, literally doesnt matter

Of course it does. Most ps surgeons have cluster b personality so u need to come off as nt as possible. If they only smell a whiff of autismo they will categorize u as an easy prey.

 

[Niebvll]

Cuz it’s more important

Circular reasoning

No

Dont exist then

Of course it does. Most ps surgeons have cluster b personality so u need to come off as nt as possible.

LMFAO
0 proof for this and muh personality cluster
Shut the fuck up bro
If your surgeon wont do the job just because you know exactly what you want then he's not the right surgeon you fucktard

If they only smell a whiff of autismo they will categorize u as an easy prey.

Absolutely retarded logic, you arent and they will know you arent precisely because you showed that youre aware of the details

 

[cancsrs]

People like @zemult or @lurking truecel or who tf else know about facial ratios and surgery a lot.

But I ask myself: Isn’t this shit a waste of time cuz at the end of the day the surgeon will do wtv he wants and won’t get tutored by his customer? On top of that many ppl say here to act NT and not send the surgeon morphs or numbers etc and to just go along with what he says

So at the end of the day id just say be low inhib and know somewhat what surgeries you need to get and the biggest part is getting the money and a good surgeon.

Thoughts?

how can having knowledge over anything be useless?

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

how can having knowledge over anything be useless?

Knowledge without action is meaningless for example.
It won’t be useless but sometimes you don’t gain a major benefit and it’s unnecessary

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

That is far better in what way?
I already said how the way the surgeon perceives you socially, literally doesnt matter

Have you ever consulted with a surgeon??? I did Co sult with 16 surgeons and it's definietly important how the surgeons perceive you and a lot would deny psl autists especially italians

Try to see how that works out with Ramieri who I consulted with too btw
He thinks looksmax lingo is ridi olous and destructive and yeah he told me that

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

how can having knowledge over anything be useless?

I agree Having knowledge definietly isn't a waste like why would it

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

Knowledge without action is meaningless for example.
It won’t be useless but sometimes you don’t gain a major benefit and it’s unnecessary

Du musst definitiv viel wissen und je mehr desto besser

Du kannst erkennen ob ein Surgeon Müll labert oder nicht

 

[Niebvll]

Have you ever consulted with a surgeon???

Yes in Germany but it doesnt matter
Appeal to (lack of) authority

I did consult with 16 surgeons and it's definietly important how the surgeons perceive you and a lot would deny psl autists especially italians

Anecdote

Try to see how that works out with Ramieri who I consulted with too btw

Anecdote

He thinks looksmax lingo is ridi olous and destructive and yeah he told me that

Anecdote

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

Yeah they actually go out and find a good plastic surgeon and get stuff done. But when you stop and think about it, they are missing out on funny Taban jokes, Giant glaze, LL debate threads, r/jawsurgery underadvancements and the 300th "what surgery to ascend to htn" thread this month so it's actually their loss overall

Not only that, sometimes foids get scammed by trendy plastic surgery procedures and get botched mainly because it’s absolutely unnecessary to get that shit such as russian fillers, foxy eyes ecc

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

Try to see how that works out with Ramieri who I consulted with too btw
He thinks looksmax lingo is ridi olous and destructive and yeah he told me that

NT is not negotiable if you’re getting bimax with Ram

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

NT is not negotiable if you’re getting bimax with Ram

Exactly it's crazy to me how some people that never consulted think they know more about how to consult with surgeons than people that consulted with multiple surgeons already

Often the same kind of people that mentally masturbate about surgeries and procrastinate them until they are 36 or get nothing done

They will realize it's exactly like how the users on here are telling them
(don't wanna call anyone out in particular)

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

Yes in Germany but it doesnt matter
Appeal to (lack of) authority

Anecdote

Anecdote

Anecdote

...... OK you seem to know more than me I guess

Was habe ich davon dir auf org irgendeine scheiße zu erzählen consulte doch selbst.....

If you want let's talk on discord dif you don't believe me....

 

[Niebvll]

...... OK you seem to know more than me I guess

Was habe ich davon dir auf org irgendeine scheiße zu erzählen consulte doch selbst.....

Mache ich auch? Es geht halt nicht um consulting lol du retard

If you want let's talk on discord dif you don't believe me....

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

...... OK you seem to know more than me I guess

Was habe ich davon dir auf org irgendeine scheiße zu erzählen consulte doch selbst.....

If you want let's talk on discord dif you don't believe me....

I consulted with Ramieri, Pagnoni,
Burak Ercin, Celal, Pascali, Bernardini, Vrcek
1 Thai, 2 Brazillian and 1 Colombian surgeon im gatekeep ING but that are known here partly

And of the ones people wouldn't k ow I consulted with 2 German, 4 French,
1 Argentinean, 3 Russian Surgeons

Actually even more than 16 now that I add them together

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

Mache ich auch? Es geht halt nicht um consulting lol du retard

Hat doch keiner gesagt dass es um consulting selbst geht sondern darauf wie viele Surgeons reagieren (nicht alle) du kannst nicht PSL lingo auf die meisten chirurgen loslassen

Sag doch um was es geht weil du mir gerade wie der retard erscheinst
Richtiger hänger der beleidigen muss wenn ihm die Argumente ausgehen du Auserwählter

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

I consulted with Ramieri, Pagnoni,
Burak Ercin, Celal, Pascali, Bernardini, Vrcek
1 Thai, 2 Brazillian and 1 Colombian surgeon im gatekeep ING but that are known here partly

And of the ones people wouldn't k ow I consulted with 2 German, 4 French,
1 Argentinean, 3 Russian Surgeons

Actually even more than 16 now that I add them together

A lil too many bro ahaha
Pascali for what?

 

[Niebvll]

Hat doch keiner gesagt dass es um consulting selbst geht

warum sprichst du es dann an

sondern darauf wie viele Surgeons reagieren (nicht alle) du kannst nicht PSL lingo auf die meisten chirurgen loslassen

Geischtsverhältnisse sind keine "PSL Lingo"
Sogar meine KFO weiß von denen

Sag doch um was es geht weil du mir gerade wie der retard erscheinst

124iq, du bist zu 100% der Retard hier du

Richtiger hänger der beleidigen muss wenn ihm die Argumente ausgehen du Auserwählter

Wo soll man da Argumente bringen? Dein ganzer post war nur eine Anekdote zu draggen und Autoritätsfallacy

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

warum sprichst du es dann an

Geischtsverhältnisse sind keine "PSL Lingo"
Sogar meine KFO weiß von denen

124iq, du bist zu 100% der Retard hier du

Wo soll man da Argumente bringen? Dein ganzer post war nur eine Anekdote zu draggen und Autoritätsfallacy

Doch sind es Ramieri hat einen Knacks bekommen als ich mit ihm über Harmonie, movements und Gonial angles gesprochen habe und das ohne die PSL Lingo zu benutzen

124IQ Anecdote

Um was geht es dir denn? Lenk nicht von der Frage ab

Das einzige bei dem ich dir zustimme ist zu sagen man geht nicht mit einem Surgeon mit wenn er so allergisch darauf reagiert wie Ramieri aber es ist durchaus wahr dass die denken du bist mental krank wenn du sowas bei den meisten bringst

 

[Niebvll]

Doch sind es Ramieri hat einen Knacks bekommen als ich mit ihm über Harmonie, movements und Gonial angles gesprochen habe und das ohne die PSL Lingo zu benutzen

Beweist nicht dass es PSL Lingo ist lmao

124IQ Anecdote

Test resultate sind auf meinem Profil
JFL an iqlets wie dir

Um was geht es dir denn? Lenk nicht von der Frage ab

Die Frage ist komplett überflüssig, du hast angefangen indem du meintest ich solle doch zu einem Chirurgen für Consulting gehen und du könntest mir nichts sagen, dies sogar nachdem ich schon erklärt hatte dass ich consulting hatte und obwohl es auch vorher gar kein Thema war außer bei deinem Fallacy Argument

Das einzige bei dem ich dir zustimme ist zu sagen man geht nicht mit einem Surgeon mit wenn er so allergisch darauf reagiert wie Ramieri aber es ist durchaus wahr dass die denken du bist mental krank wenn du sowas bei den meisten bringst

Einfach bullshit
Man kann es 0 so generalisieren, vielleicht machen das manche, OP spricht aber über die Norm und eine Generalisierung des Verhaltens gegenüber Chirurgen

 

[Doctor Egor]

know exactly what you want to achieve and the procedure you believe you need for it but leave the execution part fully to the doc
dont come off as a young sheldon, surgeons have fragile egos
best case he rejects to perform and worst case he decides to punish you for your arrogance

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Du musst definitiv viel wissen und je mehr desto besser

Du kannst erkennen ob ein Surgeon Müll labert oder nicht

Kann ich nicht einf wie die Reddit foids mich darauf spezialisieren einen guten Surgeon zu finden, der gute Resultate hat? Das 3d Prognoseergebnis -dieses digitale Ding- kann ich doch einf eyeballen etc.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Not only that, sometimes foids get scammed by trendy plastic surgery procedures and get botched mainly because it’s absolutely unnecessary to get that shit such as russian fillers, foxy eyes ecc

can you share any reddit posts of that it would make my day

 

[jony🇮🇳🖤]

People like @zemult or @lurking truecel or who tf else know about facial ratios and surgery a lot.

But I ask myself: Isn’t this shit a waste of time cuz at the end of the day the surgeon will do wtv he wants and won’t get tutored by his customer? On top of that many ppl say here to act NT and not send the surgeon morphs or numbers etc and to just go along with what he says

So at the end of the day id just say be low inhib and know somewhat what surgeries you need to get and the biggest part is getting the money and a good surgeon.

Thoughts?

Ja. Es ist hilfreich falls man dann mal selber op‘s tätigt lul

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

NT is not negotiable if you’re getting bimax with Ram

ram is shit anyways. Too many mixxed resulsts of him ghosting his patients

 

[Y̷a̶g̶a̷m̴i̸]

People like @zemult or @lurking truecel or who tf else know about facial ratios and surgery a lot.

But I ask myself: Isn’t this shit a waste of time cuz at the end of the day the surgeon will do wtv he wants and won’t get tutored by his customer? On top of that many ppl say here to act NT and not send the surgeon morphs or numbers etc and to just go along with what he says

So at the end of the day id just say be low inhib and know somewhat what surgeries you need to get and the biggest part is getting the money and a good surgeon.

Thoughts?

I could imagine knowing that much could def be profitable in terms of coaching or making a course, but personally I only learn about stuff I'd actually consider doing, seems like it could be a waste of time to learn about stuff that might not even be applicable to you.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Ja. Es ist hilfreich falls man dann mal selber op‘s tätigt lul

Ja klar, mein Punkt war aber mehr zu sagen, dass es eigentlich nicht essenziell ist, sich super gut mit den Ratios auszukennen. Basiswissen sollte für gute Resultate reichen.

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

I could imagine knowing that much could def be profitable in terms of coaching or making a course, but personally I only learn about stuff I'd actually consider doing, seems like it could be a waste of time to learn about stuff that might not even be applicable to you.

Yes exactly, its not essential for a good result to know every little detail

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Kann ich nicht einf wie die Reddit foids mich darauf spezialisieren einen guten Surgeon zu finden, der gute Resultate hat? Das 3d Prognoseergebnis -dieses digitale Ding- kann ich doch einf eyeballen etc.

Du brichst mir mein Herz und ich will mich wieder ritzen
Wie-wieder ritzen, will mich wieder ritzen

 

[jony🇮🇳🖤]

Ja klar, mein Punkt war aber mehr zu sagen, dass es eigentlich nicht essenziell ist, sich super gut mit den Ratios auszukennen. Basiswissen sollte für gute Resultate reichen.

Desto höher das Wissen bei looksmaxxing desto besser dass Endergebnis meiner Meinung

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Du brichst mir mein Herz und ich will mich wieder ritzen
Wie-wieder ritzen, will mich wieder ritzen
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good song yk

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

how can having knowledge over anything be useless?

In the sense of that its not essential to know all of the ratios shit. You will just earn knowledge that will make you come of as young sheldon and the surgeon wont collaborate with you. So my point is that knowing the basics is enough and that eyeballing it and knowing a few ratios is good enough for a decent surgery result

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Du brichst mir mein Herz und ich will mich wieder ritzen
Wie-wieder ritzen, will mich wieder ritzen
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Scheiße man, heißt der Song nicht Ritzen? Der ist doch von den superswag pt.1 Typen Mirin

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Scheiße man, heißt der Song nicht Ritzen? Der ist doch von den superswag pt.1 Typen Mirin

Yes lol and I'm not german, I just love the song

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Desto höher das Wissen bei looksmaxxing desto besser dass Endergebnis meiner Meinung

Ne an irgendeinem Punkt bringt es nix, weil du dann young Sheldon bist und jeder Surgeon dich verachtet und dann bei Pajeet -der dir aber brav zugehört hat- geboched wirst

 

[cancsrs]

In the sense of that its not essential to know all of the ratios shit. You will just earn knowledge that will make you come of as young sheldon and the surgeon wont collaborate with you. So my point is that knowing the basics is enough and that eyeballing it and knowing a few ratios is good enough for a decent surgery result

ur right

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Scheiße man, heißt der Song nicht Ritzen? Der ist doch von den superswag pt.1 Typen Mirin

I took deutsch in middle school and high school, but still can't put together a sentence.

Ich bin Chad und Ich wurde ficken dich Mutter. Du bist meine scheize Arsloch.

Idk if I got that right

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Wie wieder ritzen wider ritzen dude I fucking love that song hahaha

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

Scheiße man, heißt der Song nicht Ritzen? Der ist doch von den superswag pt.1 Typen Mirin

I searched Rebzyyx and randomly found that you listen to him. I've listened to Skinny so many times that y dont wanna know.