Does Quantum Randomness disprove eternalism?

[Light•]

Ive been an eternalist for a while, basically, the idea is that spacetime is a 4D block that has everything that has happened will happen and is happening now. all existing at one. Meaning all of time already exists and you have no free will. But, because of quantum physics, we know at a quantum level the interaction and behavior of certain particles are random. For example no human can be 100% certain when a radioactive particle will decay, only an estimation. This is kinda similar to entropy. So if there is still a degree of true randomness in our univerise how can the future already exist and be predetermined? Idk what to think im not smart enough for physics

 

[Light•]

@InnerVoid help me out here

 

[_MVP_]

Nonsense

 

[Light•]

Nonsense

so it dosent? Or is everything i mentioned nonsense

 

[_MVP_]

so it dosent? Or is everything i mentioned nonsense

Even If the future is predetermined its unforseeable therefore de facto random

 

[Harold O'brien]

it's all just models

 

[Light•]

Even If the future is predetermined its unforseeable therefore de facto random

Unforeseeable to us but thats only because we cant perceive 4 dimensions

 

[Light•]

it's all just models

Well yeah they're all theories/models but relativity is an agreed-upon one.

 

[_MVP_]

Unforeseeable to us but thats only because we cant perceive 4 dimensions

There are 11 dimensions tho

 

[Harold O'brien]

Well yeah they're all theories/models but relativity is an agreed-upon one.

>the cosmological constant

 

[Light•]

There are 11 dimensions tho

According to string theory yes, but 7 of these dimensions are folded on themselves

 

[Deleted member 53670]

Ive been an eternalist for a while, basically, the idea is that spacetime is a 4D block that has everything that has happened will happen and is happening now. all existing at one. Meaning all of time already exists and you have no free will. But, because of quantum physics, we know at a quantum level the interaction and behavior of certain particles are random. For example no human can be 100% certain when a radioactive particle will decay, only an estimation. This is kinda similar to entropy. So if there is still a degree of true randomness in our univerise how can the future already exist and be predetermined? Idk what to think im not smart enough for physics

quantum superposition isn’t a binary event where it occurs at one point and stops at another, at the quantum level fluctuations occur constantly without pause.

So no, quantum fluctuation doesn’t refute eternalism but anyway philosophy of time is a waste of time like most of philosophy and I’m agnostic on how time operates fundamentally.

 

[Light•]

>the cosmological constant

Can you elaborate on it, dark energy is confusing to me

 

[_MVP_]

Time is objective, the clocks dont Go slower when u accelerate to Speed of light, u can't travel into the future, Einstein was wrong

 

[Light•]

quantum superposition isn’t a binary event where it occurs at one point and stops at another, at the quantum level fluctuations occur constantly without pause.

So no, quantum fluctuation doesn’t refute eternalism but anyway philosophy of time is a waste of time like most of philosophy and I’m agnostic on how time operates fundamentally.

Im not talking about superposition, thats separate from quantum randomness. But i see your point


Yeah philosophy of time isnt practical at all but I like reading about it

 

[Light•]

Time is objective, the clocks dont Go slower when u accelerate to Speed of light, u can't travel into the future, Einstein was wrong

This was proven already. People move through time differently. Look it theres experiments where they sent a clock on two jets going in opposite directions and they were .15 milliseconds off each other when they came back.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Can you elaborate on it, dark energy is confusing to me

gravity says all masses should be attracting to each other, right? oh fuck the universe is expanding, let's add a term to the field equations and call it dark energy

 

[Light•]

gravity says all masses should be attracting to each other, right? oh fuck the universe is expanding, let's add a term to the field equations and call it dark energy

So its the constant used to calculate vacuum energy? Dark energy is bizarre to think about

 

[longjohnmong]

eternalism is meaningless. the idea that all of space and time is happening now or at once doesn't mean anything. you're using the terms "now" and "at once" incorrectly

don't think i don't get the idea. i get it. it just doesn't actually mean anything

the only way it would make sense is if there were some perspective that could see this 4D block all at once, but there isn't

 

[arab_chink]

Ive been an eternalist for a while, basically, the idea is that spacetime is a 4D block that has everything that has happened will happen and is happening now. all existing at one. Meaning all of time already exists and you have no free will. But, because of quantum physics, we know at a quantum level the interaction and behavior of certain particles are random. For example no human can be 100% certain when a radioactive particle will decay, only an estimation. This is kinda similar to entropy. So if there is still a degree of true randomness in our univerise how can the future already exist and be predetermined? Idk what to think im not smart enough for physics

Its just a thoery

 

[Deleted member 62811]

Ive been an eternalist for a while, basically, the idea is that spacetime is a 4D block that has everything that has happened will happen and is happening now. all existing at one. Meaning all of time already exists and you have no free will. But, because of quantum physics, we know at a quantum level the interaction and behavior of certain particles are random. For example no human can be 100% certain when a radioactive particle will decay, only an estimation. This is kinda similar to entropy. So if there is still a degree of true randomness in our univerise how can the future already exist and be predetermined? Idk what to think im not smart enough for physics

for us its randomness because we can't see who is pulling the strings

 

[Light•]

eternalism is meaningless. the idea that all of space and time is happening now or at once doesn't mean anything. you're using the terms "now" and "at once" incorrectly

don't think i don't get the idea. i get it. it just doesn't actually mean anything

the only way it would make sense is if there were some perspective that could see this 4D block all at once, but there isn't

Its not meaningless though, if it was real it would mean free will wouldn't exist in the slightest. And now just describes how someone moves through time, which means there are infinite versions of 'now' according to einstein.

 

[Deleted member 57464]

@InnerVoid help me out here

quantum mechanics was Einstain cope

 

[longjohnmong]

Its not meaningless though, if it was real it would mean free will wouldn't exist in the slightest. And now just describes how someone moves through time, which means there are infinite versions of 'now' according to einstein.

Think about it. Provided the laws of physics are the same, every single event would be the exact same in both scenarios - A theory and B theory. Eternalism makes no difference.

 

[Light•]

Think about it. Provided the laws of physics are the same, every single event would be the exact same in both scenarios - A theory and B theory. Eternalism makes no difference.

Again no, because if time does move in an arrow and the future doesn't exist yet it means your decisions matter much more in the end

 

[Light•]

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[longjohnmong]

Again no, because if time does move in an arrow and the future doesn't exist yet it means your decisions matter much more in the end

No, unless your decisions break the laws of physics then it makes absolutely no difference.

 

[Light•]

No, unless your decisions break the laws of physics then it makes absolutely no difference.

Lemme rephrase, it makes no difference in the universe but depending in what you believe it might shape your current decisions differently.