Does someone with an average response to roids comparable to a natty with elite genetics.

[Saint Casanova]

Speaking only in terms of adding muscle and losing fat. Frame, height, insertions is the same.

 

[.*my*.]

Not even close.

Elite genetics means 6’2 220-240 ripped (height just as an example).

Roided with average genetics and average response may never even reach that with drugs. If natty he’s 6’2 180 ripped after a few years of training, he’s not putting on 40 pounds of muscle with roids.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Not even close.

Elite genetics means 6’2 220-240 ripped (height just as an example).

Roided with average genetics and average response may never even reach that with drugs. If natty he’s 6’2 180 ripped after a few years of training, he’s not putting on 40 pounds of muscle with roids.

You’re not getting to 240 ripped at 6’2 natty. That’s Olympiad men’s physique level. Maybe 220lb though, but you need a very big natural frame.

 

[.*my*.]

You’re not getting to 240 ripped at 6’2 natty. That’s Olympiad men’s physique level. Maybe 220lb though, but you need a very big natural frame.

Ripped means 7-11%

Of course I’m not saying 4% body fat stage ready Chris bumstead. That’s impossible.

225-235 is fairly reasonable at 10% with elite genetics (you have to specify what is elite exactly. Is it top 1%?)

 

[Saint Casanova]

Not even close.

Elite genetics means 6’2 220-240 ripped (height just as an example).

Roided with average genetics and average response may never even reach that with drugs. If natty he’s 6’2 180 ripped after a few years of training, he’s not putting on 40 pounds of muscle with roids.

It’s hard to see elite natural lifters because they will most probably roid to push it even further and compete ect

 

[Saint Casanova]

Ripped means 8-10%

Of course I’m not saying 4% body fat stage ready Chris bumstead. That’s impossible.

225-235 is fairly reasonable at 10% with elite genetics (you have to specify what is elite exactly. Is it top 1%?)

Yes top one percent. Great is top 5 percent. Good is top 10-20 percent. Average is 50 percentile. But I’m talking about people who actually workout, not just the general population

 

[Saint Casanova]

Ripped means 7-11%

Of course I’m not saying 4% body fat stage ready Chris bumstead. That’s impossible.

225-235 is fairly reasonable at 10% with elite genetics (you have to specify what is elite exactly. Is it top 1%?)

Send examples of lifers who are 225-235 natty at 10 percent.

 

[.*my*.]

It’s hard to see elite natural lifters because they will most probably roid to push it even further and compete ect

That’s why you look at their pictures at 12-15 years old when they are most likely not touching anything. If they are crazy back then and have 10-20 pounds of muscle on the average guy you can be sure they’re elite.

 

[Saint Casanova]

That’s why you look at their pictures at 12-15 years old when they are most likely not touching anything. If they are crazy back then and have 10-20 pounds of muscle on the average guy you can be sure they’re elite.

People think Laid, Eubank were just elite natties but they looked average in the beginning and after training for a bit though.

 

[.*my*.]

Send examples of lifers who are 225-235 natty at 10 percent.

I can’t do that because I don’t know who is natural and who’s not. I’m just basing that on my experience as a person with average genetics at 6’2.

Most guys had 10-20 pounds of muscle on me when I was 15-18 years old (best time to know your baseline and what you’re working with. I was about 130 pounds).

Currently I’m 215 at 20% body fat. So if we remove 10% of my body weight (+5 pounds of water), making me ripped, I would be around 185-190. Average to below average genetics.

So I’m making an educated guess that elites can easily have 20-40 pounds more than me, considering that I’m at the bottom of the barrel.

 

[.*my*.]

Laid

Laid was superior in vascularity and body fat and had a superior response to anabolics.

Eubank always looked good from what I recall.

 

[Saint Casanova]

I can’t do that because I don’t know who is natural and who’s not. I’m just basing that on my experience as a person with average genetics at 6’2.

Most guys had 10-20 pounds of muscle on me when I was 15-18 years old (best time to know your baseline and what you’re working with. I was about 130 pounds).

Currently I’m 215 at 20% body fat. So if we remove 10% of my body weight (+5 pounds of water), making me ripped, I would be around 185-190. Average to below average genetics.

So I’m making an educated guess that elites can easily have 20-40 pounds more than me, considering that I’m at the bottom of the barrel.

Okay how big are you arms, what’s your bench ect ?

 

[.*my*.]

Okay how big are you arms, what’s your bench ect ?

Arms around 15.5 and 16 with a pump but they’re my weakest body part, because my calves and neck are bigger than that and I barely even train them. Legs great too.

Bench 225 for 4 reps.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Laid was superior in vascularity and body fat and had a superior response to anabolics.

Eubank always looked good from what I recall.

He was just very skinny jfl, small wrists and ankles, although good shoulder to hip ratio and response to roids. I classify someone with an average response to gear as someone like Zyzz or Jon Skywalker. Only in terms of the muscle they built as they have way above average insertions.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Arms around 15.5 and 16 with a pump but they’re my weakest body part, because my calves and neck are bigger than that and I barely even train them. Legs great too.

Bench 225 for 4 reps.

Oh wow, we have very similar stats. How long have you been working out?

 

[.*my*.]

Oh wow, we have very similar stats. How long have you been working out?

About 18 months in total but it was on and off over 5 years.

 

[Saint Casanova]

About 18 months in total but it was on and off over 5 years.

Let me add this to the question, the roider can take any compound and dosage without dying or something, I.e grams of test, tren, HGH, insulin. What then ?

 

[.*my*.]

Let me add this to the question, the roider can take any compound and dosage without dying or something, I.e grams of test, tren, HGH, insulin. What then ?

It’s hard to say but really depends on the level of eliteness.

Even a lot of gifted bodybuilders reportedly can’t put on more than 20 pounds of muscle with years of roiding, and they have amazing responses to gear.

 

[.*my*.]

.

 

[Sens]

you will always look flat as a natty with no shoulders.

 

[.*my*.]

you will always look flat as a natty with no shoulders.

View attachment 2324081

With roids I will be flat too. In a coffin.

 

[Saint Casanova]

.

People need to understand that even 10lb is a very noticeable amount of muscle tbh. Bodybuilders have changed drastically over the years, from the natty bodybuilders in the early 1900s, to the ones on simple compounds such as test in the 60s to the golden age bodybuilders and now to the mass monsters in the 2000-2020s once HGH and slin was incorporated. They just keep increasing in overall size and density.

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

Not even close.

Elite genetics means 6’2 220-240 ripped (height just as an example).

Roided with average genetics and average response may never even reach that with drugs. If natty he’s 6’2 180 ripped after a few years of training, he’s not putting on 40 pounds of muscle with roids.

Who tf is 6'2 180lbs after years of training

Thats dogshit genetics

 

[Sens]

With roids I will be flat too. In a coffin.

natty4life tbh

 

[Saint Casanova]

you will always look flat as a natty with no shoulders.

View attachment 2324081

Width is a lot to do with clavicle and scapula length ( frame) but yeah roids help give you 3d rounded delts.

 

[.*my*.]

Who tf is 6'2 180lbs after years of training

Thats dogshit genetics

Negro look at polls. Even the bench statistics after 5 years of training prove you wrong.

6’2 180 ripped is not dogshit. It’s probably average.

 

[Sens]

Who tf is 6'2 180lbs after years of training

Thats dogshit genetics

height/weight is a meme

some people have bones 2 times heavier than the others, like literally the same fucking size and like almost 2 times heavier, also organs, shit in gut, head size etc..

 

[Sens]

Width is a lot to do with clavicle and scapula length ( frame) but yeah roids help give you 3d rounded delts.

i mean delts, u can't have 3d delts as a natty with your arms fully relaxed, u can only fraud by posing and flexing

 

[Saint Casanova]

Who tf is 6'2 180lbs after years of training

Thats dogshit genetics

With single digit body fat it can look good shirtless. Think Christian bale in American psycho.

 

[.*my*.]

With single digit body fat it can look good shirtless. Think Christian bale in American psycho.

this nigger just called Christian bale’s physique dogshit genetics

What a delusional nigger…

 

[Saint Casanova]

At the end of the day I think it goes something like this:
1) Elite genetics plus great response to roids
2) Average genetics plus great response to roids
3) Elite genetics natty
4) Average genetics natty with average response to roids, although might be close to 3 depending on dosages and compounds.
5) Bad genetics overall

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Currently I’m 215 at 20% body fat. So if we remove 10% of my body weight (+5 pounds of water), making me ripped, I would be around 185-190. Average to below average genetics.

6'2 190 pounds lean is 22 ffmi. Not average at all.

So I’m making an educated guess that elites can easily have 20-40 pounds more than me, considering that I’m at the bottom of the barrel

You've reached your genetic muscle mass potential?

 

[.*my*.]

At the end of the day I think it goes something like this:
1) Elite genetics plus great response to roids
2) Average genetics plus great response to roids
3) Elite genetics natty
4) Average genetics natty with average response to roids, although might be close to 3 depending on dosages and compounds.
5) Bad genetics overall

Probably true but why do you even give a shit about all these details? How long have you been training?

 

[.*my*.]

Not average at all.

For a person who has lifted for 5 years it probably would be average.

You've reached your genetic muscle mass potential?

no but I’m probably at about 80% since I’ve trained for almost 2 years.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Probably true but why do you even give a shit about all these details? How long have you been training?

It’s just a thought experiment. Around 7 months but I’ve taken a break, just getting back into it now

 

[LooksOrDeath]

For a person who has lifted for 5 years it probably would be average.

no but I’m probably at about 80% since I’ve trained for almost 2 years.

You have trained for 2 years and have the same muscle mass level as one who has lifted for 5 years. Not average.

 

[.*my*.]

You have trained for 2 years and have the same muscle mass level as one who has lifted for 5 years. Not average.

Ok it’s possible but I won’t know until I train for a couple more years.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Ok it’s possible but I won’t know until I train for a couple more years.

Muscle growth slows down quite a bit ater the first 2 years but i can see you being 200 pounds at 10%