Does taking HGH really support growth that much?

[Jarno]

I always see people talking about "it only helps when you're deficient" but in my grey understanding as long as your growth plates are open it will help no?

 

[Vrowding]

sonion only take it if you have an aromatase inhibitor, otherwise it'll make you shorter

 

[notlarpingscott]

It will just accelerate growth. You can't go past your genetic potential with it

 

[SabiWabi]

 

[iblameice]

sonion only take it if you have an aromatase inhibitor, otherwise it'll make you shorter

literally what are you on about.

 

[iblameice]

It will just accelarrate growth. You can't go past your genetic potential with it

omfg

 

[Jarno]

omfg

Is it not right?

 

[iblameice]

I always see people talking about "it only helps when you're deficient" but in my grey understanding as long as your growth plates are open it will help no?

yes. as long as your plates are open it will most definitely help. don't listen to these stupid fear mongerers. please take as much as you can.

 

[Jarno]

It will just accelarrate growth. You can't go past your genetic potential with it

Are there other limiting factors to growth that aren't growth plates?

 

[iblameice]

Is it not right?

they don't know what they're talking about

 

[iblameice]

Are there other limiting factors to growth that aren't growth plates?

fgfr3, sleep, etc

 

[notlarpingscott]

they don't know what they're talking about

I'm not well-versed in heightmaxxing so Imma just trust you

 

[Jarno]

yes. as long as your plates are open it will most definitely help. don't listen to these stupid fear mongerers. please take as much as you can.

Im not taking anything yet and I dont wanna take anything that isn't 100% safe cuz if I fuck up my growth even more I genuinely need to transition

 

[Jarno]

fgfr3, sleep, etc

Is sleep really that important

 

[Vrowding]

literally what are you on about.

the HGH will accelerate growth but it comes at the cost of premature growth plate closure, that's why you utilize an aromatase inhibitor to get rid of the closure that is caused by estrogen sonion

 

[iblameice]

I'm not well-versed in heightmaxxing so Imma just trust you

"yeah i have no idea what i'm talking about but i've been giving advice to randoms on the topic as if i was knowledgeable about it"; i fucking hate people like you.

 

[iblameice]

Is sleep really that important

yes.

 

[notlarpingscott]

"yeah i have no idea what i'm talking about but i've been giving advice to randoms on the topic as if i was knowledgeable about it"; i fucking hate people like you.

I only said that because I thought thats what the truth was. I'm not intentionally misleading anybody. If I was wrong then I was wrong and I'll be mature and admit that. I apologize for pissing you off

 

[Jarno]

yes.

Shi but what odd is I've been sleeping badly the last year prolly (right now I think average 7 hours sleep maybe a bit more and around 1 hour and 20 mins of deep sleep) and I'm a reasonable height considering my parents height

 

[iblameice]

the HGH will accelerate growth but it comes at the cost of premature growth plate closure, that's why you utilize an aromatase inhibitor to get rid of the closure that is caused by estrogen sonion

no. aromatase inhibitors are coupled with hgh use BY looksmaxxers like us to ELONGATE the period of time in which the plates are still open. buddy. you mean to tell me that if bob's pituitary gland secretes a certain amount of hgh and all of the other hormones that come consequently, that he will be shorter than joe whose pg secretes more hgh????

while, yes, there are definitely a plethora of genetic and external/environmental factors that contribute to height inhibition, HGH ABUSE IS NOT FUCKING ONE OF THEM. IT DOES NOT CLOSE YOUR PLATES SOONER. YOUR PLATES STAY OPEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, IF NOT LONGER BECAUSE OF THE HGH THAN BEFORE. i've been obsessed with height for years. you don't know what you're talking about, so stop spreading misinformation.

 

[iblameice]

I only said that because I thought thats what the truth was. I'm not intentionally misleading anybody. If I was wrong then I was wrong and I'll be mature and admit that. I apologize for pissing you off

i appreciate your maturity and apologize for my behavior. thank you.

 

[Vrowding]

no. aromatase inhibitors are coupled with hgh use BY looksmaxxers like us to ELONGATE the period of time in which the plates are still open. buddy. you mean to tell me that if bob's pituitary gland secretes a certain amount of hgh and all of the other hormones that come consequently, that he will be shorter than joe whose pg secretes more hgh????

while, yes, there are definitely a plethora of genetic and external/environmental factors that contribute to height inhibition, HGH ABUSE IS NOT FUCKING ONE OF THEM. IT DOES NOT CLOSE YOUR PLATES SOONER. YOUR PLATES STAY OPEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, IF NOT LONGER BECAUSE OF THE HGH THAN BEFORE. i've been obsessed with height for years. you don't know what you're talking about, so stop spreading misinformation.

Alright man, I kinda was thinking about what I said but honestly I haven't been researching these past couple of weeks, this kinda put me in check bro, thanks for the reassurance bro, sorry if I upset you genuinely

 

[Aenterion2]

they don't know what they're talking about

your fucking retarted if you think HGH gonna make you grow if your a normal teen. You gotta be taking 12IU + and even then you would be lucky if you grew a inch extra. Your growth during puberty is very complex and has multiple components. Dont think of it like building muscle where if you input more raw resources you get a better result. If your genes set your height for 6ft, taking HGH aint gonna do shit apart organ enlargment and other sides. There is zero clinical evidence for it growing children with normal growth past their genetic potential.

 

[iblameice]

your fucking retarted if you think HGH gonna make you grow if your a normal teen. You gotta be taking 12IU + and even then you would be lucky if you grew a inch extra. Your growth during puberty is very complex and has multiple components. Dont think of it like building muscle where if you input more raw resources you get a better result. If your genes set your height for 6ft, taking HGH aint gonna do shit apart organ enlargment and other sides. There is zero clinical evidence for it growing children with normal growth past their genetic potential.

holy shit you're an idiot. i refuse to waste any more time on people like you. read all the replies through the thread, then cuck back down to me like the others once you realize you're wrong.

 

[TheEndTimesAreHere]

no. aromatase inhibitors are coupled with hgh use BY looksmaxxers like us to ELONGATE the period of time in which the plates are still open. buddy. you mean to tell me that if bob's pituitary gland secretes a certain amount of hgh and all of the other hormones that come consequently, that he will be shorter than joe whose pg secretes more hgh????

while, yes, there are definitely a plethora of genetic and external/environmental factors that contribute to height inhibition, HGH ABUSE IS NOT FUCKING ONE OF THEM. IT DOES NOT CLOSE YOUR PLATES SOONER. YOUR PLATES STAY OPEN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, IF NOT LONGER BECAUSE OF THE HGH THAN BEFORE. i've been obsessed with height for years. you don't know what you're talking about, so stop spreading misinformation.

Thoughts on abnormal facial growth. So unequal cranium to face ration since the facial bones also grow from this I think. Spamming HGH seems like the easiest way to ogremax

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

I always see people talking about "it only helps when you're deficient" but in my grey understanding as long as your growth plates are open it will help no?

In some rare cases using mega doses, Hgh has significantly increased height. But anything below 16 ius won’t really do too much.

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

sonion only take it if you have an aromatase inhibitor, otherwise it'll make you shorter

Iqlet, crashing e2 ≠ open growth plates

 

[qwertyqwerty]

I always see people talking about "it only helps when you're deficient" but in my grey understanding as long as your growth plates are open it will help no?

Yes it will help. You should be taking it as part of a stack.

 

[iblameice]

Thoughts on abnormal facial growth. So unequal cranium to face ration since the facial bones also grow from this I think. Spamming HGH seems like the easiest way to ogremax

overdosing; and at an insane amount for years consistently. there's a plethora of other compounds that i'm sure would "ogremax" you more, specifically roids and applying the same practices as aforementioned.

 

[Vrowding]

Iqlet, crashing e2 ≠ open growth plates

who said anything about crashing it?

 

[iblameice]

Iqlet, crashing e2 ≠ open growth plates

you're the iqlet. that's not what he's saying. crashing e2 is helpful in elongating the period in which growth plates are open. don't enter this conversation as if you know anything because, based on your replies, it's evident that you're just providing responses based on "oh well that's what i've heard"; please stop replying and spreading misinformation.

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

who said anything about crashing it?

Aromatase inhibitors crashes e2

 

[Aenterion2]

holy shit you're an idiot. i refuse to waste any more time on people like you. read all the replies through the thread, then cuck back down to me like the others once you realize you're wrong.

holy shit your down, just cause you managed to larp some bs to a couple of kids about HGH and plates doesnt mean you know shit. There is zero evidence for HGH or AI being able to cause growth that is outside your genetic height limit. Your body doesnt work like that, just cause your plates are open for longer does not mean you will grow more. Manlets like you just wanna spread bs so you can spread false hope to combat your own insecurity. If you really wanna get taller just do LL.

 

[Vrowding]

Aromatase inhibitors crashes e2

 

[iblameice]

Yes it will help. You should be taking it as part of a stack.

only grey in this thread that i can wholeheartedly agree with.

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

you're the iqlet. that's not what he's saying. crashing e2 is helpful in elongating the period in which growth plates are open. don't enter this conversation as if you know anything because, based on your replies, it's evident that you're just providing responses based on "oh well that's what i've heard"; please stop replying and spreading misinformation.

By taking aromatase inhibitors such as letrozole, or aromasin niggas really think that magically, their estrogen locally to their growth plates will be totally inhibited

 

[iblameice]

In some rare cases using mega doses, Hgh has significantly increased height. But anything below 16 ius won’t really do too much.

you're lacking so much context here it's insane. so if i take 4iu every day from 6 years old to 23 it's not going to make a big difference? be more specific boyo; btw, you're fucking wrong. is 16 like some random number that you picked?? provide evidence if you're going to make a claim like that, because you're being nonspecific and just spouting nonsense.

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

you're lacking so much context here it's insane. so if i take 4iu every day from 6 years old to 23 it's not going to make a big difference? be more specific boyo; btw, you're fucking wrong. is 16 like some random number that you picked?? provide evidence if you're going to make a claim like that, because you're being nonspecific and just spouting nonsense.

In fact, you would turn out shorter.

 

[iblameice]

By taking aromatase inhibitors such as letrozole, or aromasin niggas really think that magically, their estrogen locally to their growth plates will stay open

you are truly an idiot. it ASSISTS, HELPS to keep plates open and elongates the duration in which they are. it doesn't just permanently keep them fucking open, it just helps keep them open for LONGER.

 

[TheEndTimesAreHere]

overdosing; and at an insane amount for years consistently. there's a plethora of other compounds that i'm sure would "ogremax" you more, specifically roids and applying the same practices as aforementioned.

Not intending on becoming an orge hahaha, I'm also too old for any of these compounds to do anything substantial. The orge proportions happened to the guy that constantly gets his wig snatched. His cranium to face ratio is all fucked due to blasting I think.

 

[iblameice]

In fact, you would turn out shorter.

LOOK THROUGH THE REPLIES ON THIS THREAD ALREADY YOU FUCKING MORON I HATE YOU GREYS I HATE YOU ALL

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

you are truly an idiot. it ASSISTS, HELPS to keep plates open and elongates the duration in which they are. it doesn't just permanently keep them fucking open, it just helps keep them open for LONGER.

Jfl, there is no evidence of e2 closing growth plates ur spitting nonsense TikTok slop

 

[iblameice]

Not intending on becoming an orge hahaha, I'm also too old for any of these compounds to do anything substantial. The orge proportions happened to the guy that constantly gets his wig snatched. His cranium to face ratio is all fucked due to blasting I think.View attachment 5188994

no that's just his skull being weird, you can look at his precension photos, he's just always had a funny shape. also, that's a random photo; wouldn't be surprised if it was also slightly edited by people in his fanbase as a troll.

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

LOOK THROUGH THE REPLIES ON THIS THREAD ALREADY YOU FUCKING MORON I HATE YOU GREYS I HATE YOU ALL

1. You’re barely non grey 2. I have higher pharmaceutical knowledge than you 3. I have actual experience with growth hormone unlike you.

 

[TheEndTimesAreHere]

you are truly an idiot. it ASSISTS, HELPS to keep plates open and elongates the duration in which they are. it doesn't just permanently keep them fucking open, it just helps keep them open for LONGER.

Why even respond to their shit man, let them yap. Just argue on actual large threads with high quality info.

 

[iblameice]

Jfl, there is no evidence of e2 closing growth plates ur spitting nonsense TikTok slop

oh my god you are truly a fucking moron.

Evidence that estrogen hastens epiphyseal fusion and cessation of longitudinal bone growth by irreversibly depleting the number of resting zone progenitor cells in female rabbits - PubMed

With age, growth plate cartilage undergoes programmed senescence, eventually causing cessation of bone elongation and epiphyseal fusion. Estrogen accelerates this developmental process. We hypothesized that senescence occurs because progenitor cells in the resting zone are depleted in number and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of estrogen on growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion - PubMed

Estrogen is critical for epiphyseal fusion in both young men and women. In this study, we explored the cellular mechanisms by which estrogen causes this phenomenon. Juvenile ovariectomized female rabbits received either 70 microg/kg estradiol cypionate or vehicle i.m. once a week. Growth plates...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The role of estrogen receptor α in growth plate cartilage for longitudinal bone growth - PubMed

Estrogens enhance skeletal growth during early sexual maturation, whereas high estradiol levels during late puberty result in growth plate fusion in humans. Although the growth plates do not fuse directly after sexual maturation in rodents, a reduction in growth plate height is seen by treatment...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

17β-Estradiol regulates rat growth plate chondrocyte apoptosis through a mitochondrial pathway not involving nitric oxide or MAPKs - PubMed

Estrogens cause growth plate closure in both males and females, by decreasing proliferation and inducing apoptosis of postproliferative growth plate chondrocytes. In vitro studies using 17β-estradiol (E(2)) conjugated to bovine serum albumin (E(2)-BSA) show that rat costochondral growth plate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pubertal growth and epiphyseal fusion - PMC

The complex networks of nutritional, cellular, paracrine, and endocrine factors are closely related with pubertal growth and epiphyseal fusion. Important influencing factors include chondrocyte differentiation capacity, multiple molecular pathways ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The role of estrogen in growth plate chondrogenesis

Overall body proportion is determined by the size of the skeleton, which in turn is determined by the rate and duration of longitudinal bone growth. Longitudinal bone growth occurs at the growth plate and is regulated by a variety of hormones and growth factors. During puberty, estrogen...

openarchive.ki.se

Expression of aromatase in the human growth plate - PubMed

Aromatase catalyzes the synthesis of estrogen from its androgen precursors. Estrogen is known to be important in regulating long bone growth and epiphyseal plate closure. To assess whether there may be growth plate-specific production of estrogen, we performed reverse transcriptase polymerase...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogen, bone, growth and sex: a sea change in conventional wisdom - PubMed

The discovery of a man with a homozygous mutation in the estrogen receptor alpha gene, which results in estrogen-receptor alpha resistance, and of males and females with autosomal recessive mutations in the CYP19 gene encoding aromatase, which leads to a failure to synthesize estrogens, has...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Endocrine Role of Estrogens on Human Male Skeleton - PMC

Before the characterization of human and animal models of estrogen deficiency, estrogen action was confined in the context of the female bone. These interesting models uncovered a wide spectrum of unexpected estrogen actions on bone in males, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Action of estradiol on epiphyseal growth plate chondrocytes - PubMed

Estrogen plays an important role in the human growth plate by accelerating growth and promoting epiphyseal fusion in both sexes. Nevertheless, the precise mechanisms responsible for these effects are poorly understood. In the present study, we examined the role of 17beta-estradiol (E2) on cell...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogen receptor-beta inhibits skeletal growth and has the capacity to mediate growth plate fusion in female mice - PubMed

Our results confirm that ER beta is a physiological inhibitor of appendicular- and axial-skeletal growth in young adult female mice. Furthermore, we made the novel observation that ER beta, after prolonged supraphysiological estradiol exposure, has the capacity to mediate growth plate fusion in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Use of aromatase inhibitors to increase final height - PubMed

During puberty in both sexes, the mechanism involved in epiphyseal fusion is mediated by the action of estrogen through a cascade of events including proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis of chondrocytes. The enzyme P450 aromatase catalyzes the aromatization of C19 androgens...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

please read and enlighten yourself. then maybe go rope too.

 

[iblameice]

Why even respond to their shit man, let them yap. Just argue on actual large threads with high quality info.

i know you're right. you can't win an argument with someone who doesn't know they're wrong. but this forum acts as an outlet for me to be able to express my hatred and anger for things outside of this forum by putting idiots down and getting even more bad. it riles me up like crazy and some weird part of me likes that.

 

[iblameice]

1. You’re barely non grey 2. I have higher pharmaceutical knowledge than you 3. I have actual experience with growth hormone unlike you.

muhhhh durrrhhhhh muhhhhhh wuuhhhhhh

 

[shitskinfoidslayer]

oh my god you are truly a fucking moron.

Evidence that estrogen hastens epiphyseal fusion and cessation of longitudinal bone growth by irreversibly depleting the number of resting zone progenitor cells in female rabbits - PubMed

With age, growth plate cartilage undergoes programmed senescence, eventually causing cessation of bone elongation and epiphyseal fusion. Estrogen accelerates this developmental process. We hypothesized that senescence occurs because progenitor cells in the resting zone are depleted in number and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of estrogen on growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion - PubMed

Estrogen is critical for epiphyseal fusion in both young men and women. In this study, we explored the cellular mechanisms by which estrogen causes this phenomenon. Juvenile ovariectomized female rabbits received either 70 microg/kg estradiol cypionate or vehicle i.m. once a week. Growth plates...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The role of estrogen receptor α in growth plate cartilage for longitudinal bone growth - PubMed

Estrogens enhance skeletal growth during early sexual maturation, whereas high estradiol levels during late puberty result in growth plate fusion in humans. Although the growth plates do not fuse directly after sexual maturation in rodents, a reduction in growth plate height is seen by treatment...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

17β-Estradiol regulates rat growth plate chondrocyte apoptosis through a mitochondrial pathway not involving nitric oxide or MAPKs - PubMed

Estrogens cause growth plate closure in both males and females, by decreasing proliferation and inducing apoptosis of postproliferative growth plate chondrocytes. In vitro studies using 17β-estradiol (E(2)) conjugated to bovine serum albumin (E(2)-BSA) show that rat costochondral growth plate...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pubertal growth and epiphyseal fusion - PMC

The complex networks of nutritional, cellular, paracrine, and endocrine factors are closely related with pubertal growth and epiphyseal fusion. Important influencing factors include chondrocyte differentiation capacity, multiple molecular pathways ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The role of estrogen in growth plate chondrogenesis

Overall body proportion is determined by the size of the skeleton, which in turn is determined by the rate and duration of longitudinal bone growth. Longitudinal bone growth occurs at the growth plate and is regulated by a variety of hormones and growth factors. During puberty, estrogen...

openarchive.ki.se

Expression of aromatase in the human growth plate - PubMed

Aromatase catalyzes the synthesis of estrogen from its androgen precursors. Estrogen is known to be important in regulating long bone growth and epiphyseal plate closure. To assess whether there may be growth plate-specific production of estrogen, we performed reverse transcriptase polymerase...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogen, bone, growth and sex: a sea change in conventional wisdom - PubMed

The discovery of a man with a homozygous mutation in the estrogen receptor alpha gene, which results in estrogen-receptor alpha resistance, and of males and females with autosomal recessive mutations in the CYP19 gene encoding aromatase, which leads to a failure to synthesize estrogens, has...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Endocrine Role of Estrogens on Human Male Skeleton - PMC

Before the characterization of human and animal models of estrogen deficiency, estrogen action was confined in the context of the female bone. These interesting models uncovered a wide spectrum of unexpected estrogen actions on bone in males, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Action of estradiol on epiphyseal growth plate chondrocytes - PubMed

Estrogen plays an important role in the human growth plate by accelerating growth and promoting epiphyseal fusion in both sexes. Nevertheless, the precise mechanisms responsible for these effects are poorly understood. In the present study, we examined the role of 17beta-estradiol (E2) on cell...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Estrogen receptor-beta inhibits skeletal growth and has the capacity to mediate growth plate fusion in female mice - PubMed

Our results confirm that ER beta is a physiological inhibitor of appendicular- and axial-skeletal growth in young adult female mice. Furthermore, we made the novel observation that ER beta, after prolonged supraphysiological estradiol exposure, has the capacity to mediate growth plate fusion in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Use of aromatase inhibitors to increase final height - PubMed

During puberty in both sexes, the mechanism involved in epiphyseal fusion is mediated by the action of estrogen through a cascade of events including proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis of chondrocytes. The enzyme P450 aromatase catalyzes the aromatization of C19 androgens...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

please read and enlighten yourself. then maybe go rope too.

LMAOOOO YOU REALIZE e2 IS ESTRADIOL RIGHT?

 

[TheEndTimesAreHere]

no that's just his skull being weird, you can look at his precension photos, he's just always had a funny shape. also, that's a random photo; wouldn't be surprised if it was also slightly edited by people in his fanbase as a troll.

You're probably right. In my mind tough the HGH supports osteoblasts resulting in enlarging of all bone. Since the cranium grows very little compared to the jaw and general face it seems logical. I dont have any real studies on it though... The gigantism studies of course are not indicative.