Does the surgeon judge your looks?

[SixCRY]

As rule number one/only rule in the Blackpill: Looks are everything

What do you think about surgeon judging patient look, it's it a reality or a myth and what's your experience with it?

For exemple if the patient is subhuman do you think there is more chance for the surgeon to propose cope surgery, fail him or taxe him more money?

From personnal experience some surgeon treat me like shit while i'm high IQ about procedures, then taxe me without even saying good bye

 

[Danish_Retard]

My mum has a doctorate or whatever the fuck it's called in English as a veterinarian so shes pretty high IQ about medical stuff since she needs to know a lot about a lot of different animals and medications and one thing I have noticed is that doctors really hate when they get challenged.

She wanted to give me a vaccine that the government hadn't yet made mandatory and the doctors disagreed even though she brought several studies to prove her point. 3 years later that vaccination became mandatory for everyone. Same thing with other medication, doctors will refuse if my mother proposes it but will give it to me if I go alone.

jfl @ doctors and surgeons, if you challenge them with your "high IQ" autistic surgery knowledge they will probably just feel threatened or resent you for it. And of course, the looks halo plays a big role too.

 

[lutte]

She wanted to give me a vaccine that the government hadn't yet made mandatory and the doctors disagreed even though she brought several studies to prove her point. 3 years later that vaccination became mandatory for everyone. Same thing with other medication, doctors will refuse if my mother proposes it but will give it to me if I go alone.

why u have allergies

 

[randomvanish]

My mum has a doctorate or whatever the fuck it's called in English as a veterinarian so shes pretty high IQ about medical stuff since she needs to know a lot about a lot of different animals and medications and one thing I have noticed is that doctors really hate when they get challenged.

She wanted to give me a vaccine that the government hadn't yet made mandatory and the doctors disagreed even though she brought several studies to prove her point. 3 years later that vaccination became mandatory for everyone. Same thing with other medication, doctors will refuse if my mother proposes it but will give it to me if I go alone.

jfl @ doctors and surgeons, if you challenge them with your "high IQ" autistic surgery knowledge they will probably just feel threatened or resent you for it. And of course, the looks halo plays a big role too.

damn i'm scared about this. i've talked a local surgeon and explain what i need and why i want he acted like i fucked his mom even though i was definetely incredibly polite and sincere.
just don't say anything against their knowledge, follow their "commands" that's what they expected

 

[Danish_Retard]

damn i'm scared about this. i've talked a local surgeon and explain what i need and why i want he acted like i fucked his mom even though i was definetely incredibly polite and sincere.
just don't say against their knowledge, follow their "commands" that's what they expected

Pretty much, I got some extremely effective anti-histamines meant for the autoimmune by saying a family member used it to a slacker doctor so that might also work.

why u have allergies

you have no right to use that profile pic

 

[Prettyboy]

From my experience everybody treats others based on looks, this includes doctors as well. I would guess plastic surgeons are no exception, sure they must do the surgery to get their shekels for truecels too but I doubt they give too much fuck tbh . Meanwhile when they have an already good looking patient asking for some minor surgery they will treat it like they are working on a masterpiece , giving all their effort into their work

 

[Chadakin]

Yes, they prefer to work on people with better bases so they can post the results online.

 

[SixCRY]

Yes, they prefer to work on people with better bases so they can post the results online.

very brutal truth, sure they will not want to post subhuman to subhuman

 

[SixCRY]

From my experience everybody treats others based on looks, this includes doctors as well. I would guess plastic surgeons are no exception, sure they must do the surgery to get their shekels for truecels too but I doubt they give too much fuck tbh . Meanwhile when they have an already good looking patient asking for some minor surgery they will treat it like they are working on a masterpiece , giving all their effort into their work

So subhuman have more chance of getting fucked

 

[Mouthbreath]

From my experience everybody treats others based on looks, this includes doctors as well. I would guess plastic surgeons are no exception, sure they must do the surgery to get their shekels for truecels too but I doubt they give too much fuck tbh . Meanwhile when they have an already good looking patient asking for some minor surgery they will treat it like they are working on a masterpiece , giving all their effort into their work

brutal

even more reason to properly softmax before getting the surgeries

Imagine some truecel comes to you, not even gymcelling, horrible skin. Asking for bimax. You'd probably also be like whatever, if he thinks this will help him, lets perform some standard bimax so he can cope. You would probably not dedicate too much effort into the surgery, because you know, he would be ugly even after the surgery.

 

[Prettyboy]

So subhuman have more chance of getting fucked

Yeah pretty much , as in all other areas of life . If you are already good looking, the surgeon will be more than happy to work on you, otherwise you are a burden for him and he can't even show off after pictures of subhumans

 

[Prettyboy]

brutal

even more reason to properly softmax before getting the surgeries

Imagine some truecel comes to you, not even gymcelling, horrible skin. Asking for bimax. You'd probably also be like whatever, if he thinks this will help him, lets perform some standard bimax so he can cope. You would probably not dedicate too much effort into the surgery, because you know, he would be ugly even after the surgery.

indeed brutal

sure it's not plastic surgery but back when I was fat & acnecel in high school doctors treated me like shit , like I was a burden for them , they presribed some useless shit just to get it over with

now I'm leanmaxxed, fixed my skin and I notice they treat me much better. like they chat a lot with me, take the time to understand my problem, overall I can feel they actually care about fixing me.

I cannot even imagine what it could feel like walking in to a surgery as a recessed subhuman. The surgeon very well knows even lefort 3 couldn't save your ass and it never even began

 

[SixCRY]

indeed brutal

sure it's not plastic surgery but back when I was fat & acnecel in high school doctors treated me like shit , like I was a burden for them , they presribed some useless shit just to get it over with

now I'm leanmaxxed, fixed my skin and I notice they treat me much better. like they chat a lot with me, take the time to understand my problem, overall I can feel they actually care about fixing me.

I cannot even imagine what it could feel like walking in to a surgery as a recessed subhuman. The surgeon very well knows even lefort 3 couldn't save your ass and it never even began

man it's brutal i can't even read ur full comment without anger against doctor

 

[Deleted member 13945]

man it's brutal i can't even read ur full comment without anger against doctor

indeed brutal

sure it's not plastic surgery but back when I was fat & acnecel in high school doctors treated me like shit , like I was a burden for them , they presribed some useless shit just to get it over with

now I'm leanmaxxed, fixed my skin and I notice they treat me much better. like they chat a lot with me, take the time to understand my problem, overall I can feel they actually care about fixing me.

I cannot even imagine what it could feel like walking in to a surgery as a recessed subhuman. The surgeon very well knows even lefort 3 couldn't save your ass and it never even began

so even a local surgeon here would pay less attention to my BSSO basically?

 

[SixCRY]

so even a local surgeon here would pay less attention to my BSSO basically?

bro ur not a true cell stop ur bdd

 

[Deleted member 13945]

bro ur not a true cell stop ur bdd

ty man, but its more so that i just have the fact that so much gets thrown off by just a dumb thing like my lower jaw being a bit further back than my upper jaw aka overbite.

for now i hope i can atleast get to talk to a jaw surgeon instead of them recommending some cucked bracedevice and teeth pulling

 

[Deleted member 13945]

bro ur not a true cell stop ur bdd

my OG ortho wanted to extract multiple teeth not just wisdom teeth, elastics to pull upper jaw a bit back and some other bullshit

 

[SixCRY]

my OG ortho wanted to extract multiple teeth not just wisdom teeth, elastics to pull upper jaw a bit back and some other bullshit

Because they don't like surgery that's it

ASK BSSO , stop asking ortho to fix ur bite, ask him surgery directly nigga

 

[Deleted member 13945]

Because they don't like surgery that's it

ASK BSSO , stop asking ortho to fix ur bite, ask him surgery directly nigga

already did he didnt want to jfl we left that ortho and didnt look for a new one lmao. when i mentioned the word BSSO the look on his face

but ye im calling some in my country to just ask for BSSO idk if they'll do genio with it tho

 

[SixCRY]

already did he didnt want to jfl we left that ortho and didnt look for a new one lmao. when i mentioned the word BSSO the look on his face

but ye im calling some in my country to just ask for BSSO idk if they'll do genio with it tho

go see surgeon first ,

 

[Deleted member 13945]

go see surgeon first ,

yea my bad i meant calling some surgeons first*

 

[SixCRY]

go see surgeon first ,

ask genio for vertical, don't tell him "i want genio bro", just say u want a vertical genio

 

[Deleted member 7419]

Yes, they prefer to work on people with better bases so they can post the results online.

This is the truth

 

[Deleted member 13945]

ask genio for vertical, don't tell him "i want genio bro", just say u want a vertical genio

thanks king!

 

[jackieboy21]

As rule number one/only rule in the Blackpill: Looks are everything

What do you think about surgeon judging patient look, it's it a reality or a myth and what's your experience with it?

For exemple if the patient is subhuman do you think there is more chance for the surgeon to propose cope surgery, fail him or taxe him more money?

From personnal experience some surgeon treat me like shit while i'm high IQ about procedures, then taxe me without even saying good bye

Think your worrying about psl too much, have an nt conversation with the surgeon and he won’t think your a wierdo

 

[damnit]

surgeons are supposed to judge objectively. Ideally halo effect shouldn't have in impact on them. Then again never were in a surgeons office room (will be going there). Maybe because when you mention terms like ccw and midpalatal sutures they can get challenged a bit and act with arrogance, it happens in many professions not just medical.

 

[LastHopeForNorman]

my OG ortho wanted to extract multiple teeth not just wisdom teeth, elastics to pull upper jaw a bit back

Good that i know about ruining effect of this
And didnt get IT afterall

 

[Stare]

Do retards here really believe that they know more about surgeries than surgeons?
Holy fuck this forum is retarded

 

[Chadakin]

Do retards here really believe that they know more about surgeries than surgeons?
Holy fuck this forum is retarded

Your avi

 

[one job away]

very brutal truth, sure they will not want to post subhuman to subhuman

What if I deny him to post? They making it mandatory ?

 

[khvirgin]

What if I deny him to post? They making it mandatory ?

Then they won't post your face

 

[Mouthbreath]

What if I deny him to post? They making it mandatory ?

if you deny it pre surgery, he will fuck your face up intentionally

 

[cardiologist]

indeed brutal

sure it's not plastic surgery but back when I was fat & acnecel in high school doctors treated me like shit , like I was a burden for them , they presribed some useless shit just to get it over with

now I'm leanmaxxed, fixed my skin and I notice they treat me much better. like they chat a lot with me, take the time to understand my problem, overall I can feel they actually care about fixing me.

I cannot even imagine what it could feel like walking in to a surgery as a recessed subhuman. The surgeon very well knows even lefort 3 couldn't save your ass and it never even began

lifefuel knowing I only need minor operations like rhino and lipo; can't imagine needing major invasive surgeries. I'm showing the doctor as many high-detailed morphs as possible so they get a clear picture of the results I want.

 

[damnit]

Do retards here really believe that they know more about surgeries than surgeons?
Holy fuck this forum is retarded

no but based on knowledge and by comparing before and afters you can choose the best surgeon possible in terms of aesthetics and function. Going blindly to some jaw surgeon without prior knowledge is hit or miss.

 

[greycel]

brutal

even more reason to properly softmax before getting the surgeries

Imagine some truecel comes to you, not even gymcelling, horrible skin. Asking for bimax. You'd probably also be like whatever, if he thinks this will help him, lets perform some standard bimax so he can cope. You would probably not dedicate too much effort into the surgery, because you know, he would be ugly even after the surgery.

Did this seem to be the case for you guys?

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@normie_joe @chrishell @lurking truecel @Snicket @latetothegame

Do you think how good looking you were beforehand had any play towards how much effort the surgeon put in towards doing your surgery?

 

[Deleted member 91663]

Did this seem to be the case for you guys?

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@normie_joe @chrishell @lurking truecel @Snicket @latetothegame

Do you think how good looking you were beforehand had any play towards how much effort the surgeon put in towards doing your surgery?

I think it informs the treatment plan but not the effort involved in carrying it out.

Good looking people aren’t generally candidates for surgery in the first place.

 

[chrishell]

Did this seem to be the case for you guys?

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@normie_joe @chrishell @lurking truecel @Snicket @latetothegame

Do you think how good looking you were beforehand had any play towards how much effort the surgeon put in towards doing your surgery?

It's possible. Studies have been done that show there is a correlation between barbers and stylists' likelihood to sabotage a customer and their customer's looks level. For example the hotter the female customer the more likely the stylist is to cut her hair shorter than what she asked for. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an attenuated version of the same dynamic in cosmetic surgery, especially when the surgeons are themselves ugly.

 

[greycel]

It's possible. Studies have been done that show there is a correlation between barbers and stylists' likelihood to sabotage a customer and their customer's looks level. For example the hotter the female customer the more likely the stylist is to cut her hair shorter than what she asked for. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an attenuated version of the same dynamic in cosmetic surgery, especially when the surgeons are themselves ugly.

That's interesting. I was talking about the opposite effect to be honest

If an ugly truecel walks into the clinic, there's the psychological effect at play, where they possess a face in the extremes (something the surgeon might not himself be familiar seeing), so he will subconsciously lower the perceived ceiling of improvement.
Also with other indirect contributing factors, such as spending less time/effort towards the preparation of the surgery (horn effect), relative to another guy who might be MTN but recessed

The study you're talking about seems to be for women, and women stylists. So the envy makes sense. Not really sure how it'd play out with male surgeons (if it would be to the same extent or in the complete opposite direction)

 

[Evgeniy291]

As rule number one/only rule in the Blackpill: Looks are everything

What do you think about surgeon judging patient look, it's it a reality or a myth and what's your experience with it?

For exemple if the patient is subhuman do you think there is more chance for the surgeon to propose cope surgery, fail him or taxe him more money?

From personnal experience some surgeon treat me like shit while i'm high IQ about procedures, then taxe me without even saying good bye

Surgeon refused to do all 3 surgeries that ive done with him until I came to him again and asked for it again (gyno, buccal fat, lip lift)
And I was hmtn before all that

so depends on a surgeon some will push surgeries on u some will not care about money at all

 

[chrishell]

That's interesting. I was talking about the opposite effect to be honest

If an ugly truecel walks into the clinic, there's the psychological effect at play, where they possess a face in the extremes (something the surgeon might not himself be familiar seeing), so he will subconsciously lower the perceived ceiling of improvement.
Also with other indirect contributing factors, such as spending less time/effort towards the preparation of the surgery (horn effect), relative to another guy who might be MTN but recessed

The study you're talking about seems to be for women, and women stylists. So the envy makes sense. Not really sure how it'd play out with male surgeons (if it would be to the same extent or in the complete opposite direction)

That is a good point.
I wouldn't have any empirical evidence for the specific case of male surgeons and male patients. If I had to guess: it would be less dependent on looks discrepancy between patient and surgeon or the absolute objective looks level of the patient but on the objective looks level of the surgeon. Surgeons are notoriously insecure and defensive because they're constantly being criticized on nitty-gritty things by people they probably think are idiots who have no idea how surgery works. They get patients who do a lot of research and might come to consultations with "things they heard" from other surgeons; even if the patient is just trying to do unbiased information collection they might feel as if they are being tested or quizzed or having their knowledge questioned. The uglier the surgeon, the more of their self-worth they will naturally place in their intelligence, and so that being questioned will be more damning. But the hotter surgeons can deal with since they have a fallback. I noticed this in my consultations. The uglier the surgeon the more likely it felt like I was walking on eggshells in discussions with them. I'm not sure exactly how it would play into the surgery result but I imagine it is playing a role. Just speculating out loud here.

 

[lurking truecel]

Did this seem to be the case for you guys?

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@normie_joe @chrishell @lurking truecel @Snicket @latetothegame

Do you think how good looking you were beforehand had any play towards how much effort the surgeon put in towards doing your surgery?

Hard to say as i only been from a truecel perspective. But i would guess it depends on the surgery. I mean a bimax surgeons normal patient is deformed as that is what the surgery is for, so they probably not have any biased towards anyones looks and probably enjoy that true ascension post, meanwhile a small rhinoplasty surgeon want good looking patient with good jawlines to post frauded before and after. And also i think the better the surgeon is the harder the cases they want as a challenge and maybe a more comfortable doing those cases as they have higher risk of doing a great job meanwhile on a good looking they can botch and are nervous

 

[klamus]

Yes, they prefer to work on people with better bases so they can post the results online.

This makes sense. I can see them not working so hard on people whose looks are More unsalvageable

 

[Deleted member 25705]

Did this seem to be the case for you guys?

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@normie_joe @chrishell @lurking truecel @Snicket @latetothegame

Do you think how good looking you were beforehand had any play towards how much effort the surgeon put in towards doing your surgery?

Oh good fucking question, and I have just the story to answer that.

I wrote about this on this thread

After consulting two jaw surgeons in my area, here's a quick dump.

Had my consultation with two surgeons: one turned out to be a bluepilled, egotistical, gaslighting cuck and the other a fairly blackpilled surgeon who is friends with Gunson and follows a similar ideology where they look at the big picture including facial aesthetics as a whole as opposed to...

looksmax.org

Now I don't know about specifically judging you for your looks, but I do know that some cockroaches will gaslight you into thinking you don't need something, because they can't do it.

The first surgeon i went to lied to me, saying I only needed a 5mm bsso. It was really analyzing the results here and on r/jawsurgery that made realize 5mm seemed way off target. To make it more hilarious, he said things like "I was only 5 ft 9, prominent jaws wouldn't suit a 'small guy' like me."

I should've shown the fucker Sendhil or Tom Cruise and been like "wtf are these jaws on these 'small men'?", but it didn't hit me at the time.

Then this patient who underwent surgery with that cockroach I consulted posted this, wrote he was so dissapointed(rightfully so), and kept reciting the surgeon told him a genio/more advancement would have made him protrusive.

This was a double jaw surgery candidate that got gaslit into doing lower only, because the surgeon was not capable of doing double or simply didn't care.

In contrast the next surgeon(one who did my surgery) was immediately like "nah lower only wouldn't get you that jawline you want, you want to do upper as well."

He mentioned something about the ideal result being with pre-molar extractions which would mitigate the need for a genio, but since I'm already more than a year in braces, he would try to fix it with a genio.

I started braces before joining .org and on the request of that other cockroach who didn't even mention anything about pre-molars. It pisses me off that I could've gotten an even better result but whatever.

I hope that answered that question.

 

[greycel]

Oh good fucking question, and I have just the story to answer that.

I wrote about this on this thread

After consulting two jaw surgeons in my area, here's a quick dump.

Had my consultation with two surgeons: one turned out to be a bluepilled, egotistical, gaslighting cuck and the other a fairly blackpilled surgeon who is friends with Gunson and follows a similar ideology where they look at the big picture including facial aesthetics as a whole as opposed to...

looksmax.org

Now I don't know about specifically judging you for your looks, but I do know that some cockroaches will gaslight you into thinking you don't need something, because they can't do it.

The first surgeon i went to lied to me, saying I only needed a 5mm bsso. It was really analyzing the results here and on r/jawsurgery that made realize 5mm seemed way off target. To make it more hilarious, he said things like "I was only 5 ft 9, prominent jaws wouldn't suit a 'small guy' like me."

I should've shown the fucker Sendhil or Tom Cruise and been like "wtf are these jaws on these 'small men'?", but it didn't hit me at the time.

Then this patient who underwent surgery with that cockroach I consulted posted this, wrote he was so dissapointed(rightfully so), and kept reciting the surgeon told him a genio/more advancement would have made him protrusive.

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This was a double jaw surgery candidate that got gaslit into doing lower only, because the surgeon was not capable of doing double or simply didn't care.

In contrast the next surgeon(one who did my surgery) was immediately like "nah lower only wouldn't get you that jawline you want, you want to do upper as well."

He mentioned something about the ideal result being with pre-molar extractions which would mitigate the need for a genio, but since I'm already more than a year in braces, he would try to fix it with a genio.

I started braces before joining .org and on the request of that other cockroach who didn't even mention anything about pre-molars. It pisses me off that I could've gotten an even better result but whatever.

I hope that answered that question.

Perfectly answers my question.
I understand now the types of surgeons that exist in this world...

They let their egos and emotions interfere with work that should be tackled strictly in a structured manner, from a logical viewpoint.
I'd have never thought this to be the reality..

I expected somebody who dedicates this much of their life to honing their craft (a craft that has major effects on their client), to at least leave emotions out of it.

 

[latetothegame]

Did this seem to be the case for you guys?

Spoiler: tags

@normie_joe @chrishell @lurking truecel @Snicket @latetothegame

Do you think how good looking you were beforehand had any play towards how much effort the surgeon put in towards doing your surgery?

There's no real way to tell, I mean we can't compare it to the bimax we got in another life where we were softmaxxed more prior.

I think that to be a candidate for bimax, medically, you're likely capped at a certain looks level. The surgeon is looking at your case in a scientific, analytical way, as well as his perceptions of your features and how he has "solved" those deficiencies in prior cases.

I think they'd be more incentivized to operate if they feel the person has a good base, and that they envision their case to be potential "portfolio builder". Alot of the surgeons I've talked to about their favorite cases reference syndromic cases with REAL life changing results. From Quasimodo to acceptable.