Don’t take steroids before 25

[Deleted member 8365]

@ConfusedBolivian

 

[wayme]

cope

 

[Deleted member 15539]

Epstein until your Body has matured

 

[Nectar]

18 is the best time

 

[PseudoMaxxer]

14 or nothing

 

[snitch]

start cycling at 7 for best results

 

[Deleted member 8365]

cope

Elab ?

 

[finn899]

why would i listen to a guy who looks 40 on how to not look old? thats cope steroids are fine if you do a safe dose

 

[Deleted member 8365]

why would i listen to a guy who looks 40 on how to not look old? thats cope steroids are fine if you do a safe dose

It âge your face ?
@Orc

 

[snitch]

why would i listen to a guy who looks 40 on how to not look old? thats cope steroids are fine if you do a safe dose

true

 

[Nectar]

14 or nothing

I remember my friend who started taking tren (400 mg) and test (200 mg) at 14 and couldn’t stop jerking off 6 times a day

 

[Deleted member 23391]

he only explained why you SHOULD do it

at a young age when your skin is elastic, your perceived age does have to do with how masculine you look, but the actual aging of the skin itself becomes the determining factor

 

[Alexanderr]

The trade-off when it comes to taking steroids when you're young is almost always too big for them to be worth it.

Risking your hair, youthful look and potentially even health to have a bit more muscle mass will be a net negative when it comes to attracting women.

 

[PseudoMaxxer]

I remember my friend who started taking tren (400 mg) and test (200 mg) at 14 and couldn’t stop jerking off 6 times a day

imo if you start blasting at 14 is optimal for everything.

You grow in every possibile way, and as a bonus you die young too.

 

[Nectar]

Good thing he's enjoying it now, cuz soon he won't be able to

He’s lean af, fairly attractive ricecel but non-nt af thought he claimed to have developed a nee fetish for plus size models from all that gear he had been running

 

[Deleted member 8365]

The trade-off when it comes to taking steroids when you're young is almost always too big for them to be worth it.

Risking your hair, youthful look and potentially even health to have a bit more muscle mass will be a net negative when it comes to attracting women.

Nah women love buff guys

 

[PseudoMaxxer]

Nah women love buff guys

only if manlets, bald and bearded

 

[PseudoMaxxer]

I still cannot fathom how something that doesn't make you more attractive by any stretch of the imagination became so celebrated here

Maybe because 15 year old bro scientists have the impression that taking them will magically make their bones grow in a good way example:

 

[Alexanderr]

I still cannot fathom how something that doesn't make you more attractive by any stretch of the imagination became so celebrated here

I suppose that's one of the downsides of an all-male platform.

They can kind of turn into echo chambers and sway towards extremist opinions. The average male probably thinks women like a more muscular frame than they actually do.

A frame like this you don't need to resort to steroids for, you'll still mog the average guy into oblivion and align more with womens' ideal. All while not risking your hair, youth and health.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

I suppose that's one of the downsides of an all-male platform.

They can kind of turn into echo chambers and sway towards extremist opinions. The average male probably thinks women like a more muscular frame than they actually do.

A frame like this you don't need to resort to steroids for, you'll still mog the average guy into oblivion and align more with womens' ideal. All while not risking your hair, youth and health.
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Bluepilled

 

[Deleted member 8365]

I suppose that's one of the downsides of an all-male platform.

They can kind of turn into echo chambers and sway towards extremist opinions. The average male probably thinks women like a more muscular frame than they actually do.

A frame like this you don't need to resort to steroids for, you'll still mog the average guy into oblivion and align more with womens' ideal. All while not risking your hair, youth and health.
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Only young white and Asian female hate muscle

 

[yirma19]

It âge your face ?
@Orc

only testosterone does because it rapes your collagen.var and boldenone do the opposite. of you take test e with boldneneone/var and throw in mk677, you wont age

 

[DR. NICKGA]

yea
"certian steriods" increase masculination

also face masculination, so you will get more face bones

so take steriods to asceeemd

 

[Deleted member 8365]

only testosterone does because it rapes your collagen.var and boldenone do the opposite. of you take test e with boldneneone/var and throw in mk677, you wont age

Interesting ?

what var do compared to test ?

 

[Deleted member 8365]

only testosterone does because it rapes your collagen.var and boldenone do the opposite. of you take test e with boldneneone/var and throw in mk677, you wont age

Also why should you throw mk677

 

[yirma19]

Interesting ?

what var do compared to test ?

var stimulates collagen synthesis. thats why bosybuilders use it for joint pain (which is cuased by testosterone) but sinc eit increases collagen synthesis your face will age/get wrinkles

 

[yirma19]

Also why should you throw mk677

mk677–>igf1–>more collagen synthesis–> better skin. even people who say mk is cope all agree that it does wonders for skin

 

[sub5outsider]

i dont need steroids to look old try being norwood 3 in your mid 20s

 

[Deleted member 8365]

 

[Deleted member 8365]

var stimulates collagen synthesis. thats why bosybuilders use it for joint pain (which is cuased by testosterone) but sinc eit increases collagen synthesis your face will age/get wrinkles

Ok ok so it counter it

 

[Deleted member 8365]

mk677–>igf1–>more collagen synthesis–> better skin. even people who say mk is cope all agree that it does wonders for skin

Nice

 

[pumpeduppecs]

why would i listen to a guy who looks 40 on how to not look old? thats cope steroids are fine if you do a safe dose

It def ages your face. I know guys who cruise on a low dose and still look 10 years older than they are. Wether it’s a good idea probably depends on who you are if you have a estrogenic child face steroids would probably help if you already look dimorphic probably best to just max out your natty potential and not risk it.

 

[barnmatrix]

@ConfusedBolivian

Yes and no, there are certain things which need to be developed during younger ( potentially late puberty ages ) because they cant be developed after puberty. These things include deep voice, certain elements of facial structure, in this case it would make sense to try and max those things out while you can since its a lot harder to change after puberty. But yes steroids will also age your face so its a trade off. Would be advantageous while your young but yield consequences when your older. Definitely something to keep in mind. As yourself - Do I want to look good and have lots of foids while im young? or do I want to look younger when im in my 50s+ and have more foids then? Perhaps looks are less of a factor as your older, something to keep in mind.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

It def ages your face. I know guys who cruise on a low dose and still look 10 years older than they are. Wether it’s a good idea probably depends on who you are if you have a estrogenic child face steroids would probably help if you already look dimorphic probably best to just max out your natty potential and not risk it.

Same with sarms ?

 

[Deleted member 8365]

Yes and no, there are certain things which need to be developed during younger ( potentially late puberty ages ) because they cant be developed after puberty. These things include deep voice, certain elements of facial structure, in this case it would make sense to try and max those things out while you can since its a lot harder to change after puberty. But yes steroids will also age your face so its a trade off. Would be advantageous while your young but yield consequences when your older. Definitely something to keep in mind. As yourself - Do I want to look good and have lots of foids while im young? or do I want to look younger when im in my 50s+ and have more foids then? Perhaps looks are less of a factor as your older, something to keep in mind.

Then why guys like Mike thirston , Zyzz , Simeon Panda and many others still look /looked their ages ???

 

[pumpeduppecs]

Same with sarms ?

Idk if I was gonna do anything I’d take test

 

[barnmatrix]

Then why guys like Mike thirston , Zyzz , Simeon Panda and many others still look /looked their ages ???

man im confused. you made a post saying not to take steroids because it ages you, now your saying that these guys who took steroids look their age. Which side are you on?


But to answer your question, the guys you named are all cherrypicked examples who just have genetics that favor anti aging. I could name a billion examples of people who took steroids and now look older than their age.

 

[Orc]

It âge your face ?
@Orc

all the people I know that use look older than their age yeah.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

man im confused. you made a post saying not to take steroids because it ages you, now your saying that these guys who took steroids look their age. Which side are you on?


But to answer your question, the guys you named are all cherrypicked examples who just have genetics that favor anti aging. I could name a billion examples of people who took steroids and now look older than their age.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

all the people I know that use look older than their age yeah.

So you look also older ?

 

[SoundnVision]

From someone who has done them on and off for 7 years, you do look older when on especially tren but when you come off you go back to looking younger again.
On the whole not worth it

 

[Deleted member 8365]

all the people I know that use look older than their age yeah.

Sarm âge pep too ?

my boy @pneumocystosis didnt age at all after his first cycle ong

 

[Orc]

So you look also older ?

I look younger than my age.

Sarm âge pep too ?

my boy @pneumocystosis didnt age at all after his first cycle ong

he's on far less than the guys I know are.

 

[yirma19]

all the people I know that use look older than their age yeah.

depends on how long they used no? the people you know how often did they cycle?

 

[Orc]

depends on how long they used no? the people you know how often did they cycle?

they blast and cruise, and have been on for years.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

I look younger than my age.


he's on far less than the guys I know are.

If you take a low dose can you still look older ?

 

[Deleted member 8365]

they blast and cruise, and have been on for years.

Ah ok

 

[Deleted member 8365]

they blast and cruise, and have been on for years.

So one cycle can be ok

 

[Orc]

If you take a low dose can you still look older ?

probably, I imagine that's what guys like o'hearn are doing.

 

[SnoopDawg]

A YouTube short can't accurately capture the nuance of this, although I like vigorous steve.

There are 2 main ways steroids cause aging: through the anabolic affect on facial muscles, and the androgenic affect on... lots of features.

We need to differentiate "good aging" from bad aging too. Someone like this guy has insanely masc features which make him look older than 18 but he does not have wrinkles, perceivable hair loss, or aged skin.
If we take a babyface guy and give him a deeper voice, wide frame, big neck and shoulders, wider and sharper jaw, chin, cheekbones, etc, while still maintaining perfect hair and skin, he will inevitably look older, and this is not a bad thing.

So the relevant portion here is "bad aging".

Steroids cause this through their anabolic effect on facial muscles: think about what botox does (weakens/freezes the muscle causing wrinkles) and realize steroids, INHERENTLY, do the opposite. This side effect is partly unavoidable because although you can botox some areas to completely counter it, other areas can't (BIGGEST PROBLEM IS NASOLABIAL FOLDS), and there are muscles like the buccinator that look worse when hypertrophied. This is why steroid dosage should always be minimized even if you have no "side effects".

Steroids also cause bad aging through their androgenic effects. This is avoidable somewhat by INTELLIGENT COMPOUND AND DOSAGE CHOICE. After 18-21 (depends), it is a looksmin to run androgenic compounds or even test without fin. More androgens -> less hair, and more oil production in the skin (more acne), and you slowly get the shit bodybuilder leather skin look. Once you have reached either peak or ideal masculinization we want to MINIMIZE all androgens to look like a masculine early 20s guy forever.


Still, it is ideal to have very high pubertal androgen levels; this is how you get a bigger dick, deeper voice, and yes more masculine bone structure (face and body). During puberty, we want insanely high androgens, and once it's over, we want to lower them significantly.

The main thing Steve gets wrong here is he assumes that if you blast before 25 you will blast forever.