Downward growth & recession (pics!)

[Deleted member 4123]

Maxilla now:

Any downward growth? Could it be genetic or caused by mouthbreathing or common with us nigs?


Also my teeth tends to be crooked due thumbsucking (im a lot of time on stimulants) and teeth biting
Could these 2 have played a role?




Here my maxilla 2 years ago:



Was there less downward growth then? Less recession of maxilla


Maxilla few months ago (january)



Less recession/downward growth than now? Or im i blinded by the mouthbreathing meme?

Overall: should I be worried by recession and downward growth

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Idk but it doesnt matter now

 

[Deleted member 5349]

your maxilla isn’t going to grow noticeable downward in a few months

 

[Incoming]

Yes thumb sucking is a legitimate cause of malocclusion. It seems like you have an overbite from your side profile. Unideal growth but its not the end of the world

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Yes thumb sucking is a legitimate cause of malocclusion. It seems like you have an overbite from your side profile. Unideal growth but its not the end of the world

Can it affect your appearance?
Also developed? Or was it it always there?
Also how to fix?!

your maxilla isn’t going to grow noticeable downward in a few months

It seems to mine did? Idk maybe im I deluded?

 

[Incoming]

Can it affect your appearance?
Also developed? Or was it it always there?

I can't tell from the aspie pics you posted but if you were consistently doing it, then it probably got worse

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Idk but it doesnt matter now

Why?

Yes thumb sucking is a legitimate cause of malocclusion. It seems like you have an overbite from your side profile. Unideal growth but its not the end of the world

Ok fine then
Still stupid action for me shit
Already have braces on behind my teeth

 

[Mr.cope]

It’s either that your nose isnt projected long enough or your lips protrude too much

 

[Deleted member 7173]

Did you mouthbreathe? Luckily your case isn't that extreme.

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Did you mouthbreathe? Luckily your case isn't that extreme.

Idk probably not, but im often drooling after naps(annoying) so may be that

Any point fixing it?

 

[Deleted member 7173]

Idk probably not, but im often drooling after naps(annoying) so may be that

Any point fixing it?

No, there if no way to fix it other than surgery, but yours is not terrible. If you are drooling when napping then that means you mouthbreathe when asleep, which likely caused the slight recession over the years.

Here is a photo of true recession- yours is nowhere near as bad

 

[Mr.cope]

I tried
I’m not super skilled at morphing yet

 

[Deleted member 4123]

No, there if no way to fix it other than surgery, but yours is not terrible. If you are drooling when napping then that means you mouthbreathe when asleep, which likely caused the slight recession over the years.

Here is a photo of true recession- yours is nowhere near as bad
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Which surgery? Could straighten my teeth help?

I tried
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Hahahah thx bro, looks quite alright.
I believe my jaw might have been more set back too

All caused by taking naps and mouthbreathing + nailbiting and prob fingersucking => all due stress






Mewing/further proper posture helps preventing any further damage? Or reversing it. Im 18

 

[Deleted member 7173]

Which surgery? Could straighten my teeth help?

Straighting your teeth won't do anything. The only surgeries are bimax and Lefort, but hardly anyone on this forum actually do them because of cost and the limited number of surgeons performing them.

Mewing will not provide any benefits after the age of ~12

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Straighting your teeth won't do anything. The only surgeries are bimax and Lefort, but hardly anyone on this forum actually do them because of cost and the limited number of surgeons performing them.

Mewing will not provide any benefits after the age of ~12

My orthodontist recommended bimax I believe so.
For expaing my lower jaw, but still could benefit my downward growth and ascend idk

Overall: im not fucked by it then? just preventing drooling,avoid stress

 

[Deleted member 7173]

My orthodontist recommended bimax I believe so.
For expaing my lower jaw, but still could benefit my downward growth and ascend idk

Overall: im not fucked by it then? just preventing drooling,avoid stress

No, you are normie tier. You are not even that recessed for a black. I would recommend nose breathing when asleep because it will make you feel more awake in the day

 

[Deleted member 4123]

No, you are normie tier. You are not even that recessed for a black. I would recommend nose breathing when asleep because it will make you feel more awake in the day

Aight!
How many psl per each pic?

Is assymetry also caused by mouthbreathing?

 

[Deleted member 5859]

Mewing is a cope, your face is ok you just have a recessed chin and a high gonial angle. It happens and you look like a normal dude i would see on the street so i would rate u a normie

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Mewing is a cope, your face is ok you just have a recessed chin and a high gonial angle. It happens and you look like a normal dude i would see on the street so i would rate u a normie

Thx bruh!
Gonial angle genetic?

 

[Deleted member 5859]

Thx bruh!
Gonial angle genetic?

Yeah, even tho you look like u have a pretty average gonial angle, i would recommend losing weight to show some of that face bone structure, if mewing makes u feel better then do it! But im pretty sure its just a huge cope

 

[Deleted member 7126]

Youre black

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Yeah, even tho you look like u have a pretty average gonial angle, i would recommend losing weight to show some of that face bone structure, if mewing makes u feel better then do it! But im pretty sure its just a huge cope

Give is each psl per pic
I can maybe evaluate

 

[Alibaba69]

Maxilla now:

Any downward growth? Could it be genetic or caused by mouthbreathing or common with us nigs?


Also my teeth tends to be crooked due thumbsucking (im a lot of time on stimulants) and teeth biting
Could these 2 have played a role?




Here my maxilla 2 years ago:



Was there less downward growth then? Less recession of maxilla


Maxilla few months ago (january)



Less recession/downward growth than now? Or im i blinded by the mouthbreathing meme?

Overall: should I be worried by recession and downward growth

my nigga you not so bad around average not subhuman. what's your height and do you have bbc, deep voice and diabetes?
your nose is good

 

[IKnowYourStats]

Look kind of like former NBA player Jermaine O'neal

 

[Deleted member 4123]

my nigga you not so bad around average not subhuman. what's your height and do you have bbc, deep voice and diabetes?
your nose is good

Diabetes, how? Its possble ahha

Look kind of like former NBA player Jermaine O'neal

Hahaha

 

[Lars2210]

Hard to tell without an actual ceph but it seems that u have recession in both the maxillary region & the mandibular region

The only reason some posters are telling u it’s not so bad is because ur masking it with ur forward head tilt. You are not doing it deliberately but ur body just got accustomed to this posture to make ur airways wider, cause otherwise they are too narrow. Straighten ur neck & u will get a better look to how recessed your Face is

I can’t recommend any surgeries without seeing ur cephs but from ur gonial angle I am assuming u might have relatively small snb & sna angles. U might benefit from BSSO + a genio + rotation with downgrafting

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Hard to tell without an actual ceph but it seems that u have recession in both the maxillary region & the mandibular region

The only reason some posters are telling u it’s not so bad is because ur masking it with ur forward head tilt. You are not doing it deliberately but ur body just got accustomed to this posture to make ur airways wider, cause otherwise they are too narrow. Straighten ur neck & u will get a better look to how recessed your Face is

I can’t recommend any surgeries without seeing ur cephs but from ur gonial angle I am assuming u might have relatively small snb & sna angles. U might benefit from BSSO + a genio + rotation with downgrafting

(lens distortion on front might break it)
Yep, thats what my orthodontist told me. I was too bluepilled back then, thinking it wouldnt matter. I regret my decision. Will defenetely make an appointment though, but mom is too blackpilled but recuse to go because of money pfff. How to convince her? There might be a chance she agrees.
Its not fair, she allows my brother to go lol

Could it gain me 2 psl points? Lets say to 6 psl levels? Side pic is a 3/4
Front 4

Hopefully I gain like 0.5/1 point with weight loss

Furthermore, I have trouble breathing at night might look into sleep studies, I became more low iqish since I gained weight

My ambition is to be 6 psl (everyone right?!)! Shall I become tyrone

Huh, another question: why does my midface appears longer on selfie pics? Is it due camera?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

I don't see any problem?

 

[JizzFarmer]

Which surgery? Could straighten my teeth help?


Hahahah thx bro, looks quite alright.
I believe my jaw might have been more set back too

All caused by taking naps and mouthbreathing + nailbiting and prob fingersucking => all due stress






Mewing/further proper posture helps preventing any further damage? Or reversing it. Im 18

At your age mewing can give you some improvements but it will take 4-5 years for significant results.

 

[Deleted member 6427]

normal black pheno tbh

 

[Lars2210]

(lens distortion on front might break it)
Yep, thats what my orthodontist told me. I was too bluepilled back then, thinking it wouldnt matter. I regret my decision. Will defenetely make an appointment though, but mom is too blackpilled but recuse to go because of money pfff. How to convince her? There might be a chance she agrees.
Its not fair, she allows my brother to go lol

Could it gain me 2 psl points? Lets say to 6 psl levels? Side pic is a 3/4
Front 4

Hopefully I gain like 0.5/1 point with weight loss

Furthermore, I have trouble breathing at night might look into sleep studies, I became more low iqish since I gained weight

My ambition is to be 6 psl (everyone right?!)! Shall I become tyrone

Huh, another question: why does my midface appears longer on selfie pics? Is it due camera?

Based on that I think u might have a recession in the lower jaw only so you don’t neccesarily need bimax. Basically a class II bite. The fact ur saying that u have difficulty breathing further substantiates it but not neccesarilly.

If I want to make sure take a CBCT scan of ur skull & measure the sna & snb angles (peep diagram below). Those are RELATIVE measurements, which means that they will help ur max-fax create homogeneity between ur upper & lower jaw yo address the bite problem.

If ur primary concern is aesthetics then u need to measure the length of ur posterior & anterior nasal bridge. This is the most accurate measurement of forward growth. This is also an ABSOLUTE value. So for ex, if u have a relatively short pns-ans it can either insinuate maxillary recession or that u have an overall small skull.

Finally, I highly doubt u can gain a HUGE aesthetic difference through jaw surgery. It’s primarily a functional surgery & its rare u come across surgeons who can hit both function & form. If aesthetics is ur concern u have the following options:

1. Mandibular advancement + chin wing/genio
2. BSSO + chin-wing/genio
3. BSSO + jaw implants (not preferred)

My subjective opinion is that u have good ratios thus a good base. U really need to trim the fat tho it’s too much & bulk the fuk up. Like gain some muscle mass. If u can grow ur hair & style it like OBJ that’d help too. Eyebrows can be filled up more. Beard needs trimming & maybe some chin filler will also do u good. Ya G I think that’s all u can do. I don’t follow the rating system here but u can expect to be busting al kinds of nuts with the above

 

[Deleted member 4123]

Based on that I think u might have a recession in the lower jaw only so you don’t neccesarily need bimax. Basically a class II bite. The fact ur saying that u have difficulty breathing further substantiates it but not neccesarilly.

If I want to make sure take a CBCT scan of ur skull & measure the sna & snb angles (peep diagram below). Those are RELATIVE measurements, which means that they will help ur max-fax create homogeneity between ur upper & lower jaw yo address the bite problem.

If ur primary concern is aesthetics then u need to measure the length of ur posterior & anterior nasal bridge. This is the most accurate measurement of forward growth. This is also an ABSOLUTE value. So for ex, if u have a relatively short pns-ans it can either insinuate maxillary recession or that u have an overall small skull.

Finally, I highly doubt u can gain a HUGE aesthetic difference through jaw surgery. It’s primarily a functional surgery & its rare u come across surgeons who can hit both function & form. If aesthetics is ur concern u have the following options:

1. Mandibular advancement + chin wing/genio
2. BSSO + chin-wing/genio
3. BSSO + jaw implants (not preferred)

My subjective opinion is that u have good ratios thus a good base. U really need to trim the fat tho it’s too much & bulk the fuk up. Like gain some muscle mass. If u can grow ur hair & style it like OBJ that’d help too. Eyebrows can be filled up more. Beard needs trimming & maybe some chin filler will also do u good. Ya G I think that’s all u can do. I don’t follow the rating system here but u can expect to be busting al kinds of nuts with the above

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Mirin' that high iq analysis, exacht the same from my orthodontist

Its not really needed then, I can cope with a slight recession and like youve said if theres no huge ascension with jaw surgery its not that important, maybe if I have more money.

Yeah legit, will try and follow your advices below

 

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