Elite Uni In EU

[Deleted member 6573]

This is what people don't understand

The people that go to these private business school often are rich kids with connections whose success can't be attributed to the university

I will try to get to get into HKUT " Economics & Finance" B.Sc. next year
It might even be better than Tsinghua/Peking because Honkong is known in both China and Internationally and having STEMcels at your campus also seems useful in case you want to join a startup early

HKUST is indeed strong in business.

But in terms of prestige among Asian unis, Tsinghua/Peking are ultimate. Definitely go to one of those two if you can. Why? China is the most economically powerful and influential asian country, and that power is only projected to rise in coming years. Also Tsinghua/Peking have the lowest acceptance rates due to China's enormous population, thereby further driving up perception of prestige.

Top of Asian uni tier list would look something like this:

1. Tsinghua/Peking
2. U of Tokyo/NUS/U of Hong Kong/HKUST/SNU
3. Rest of China's C9 league/Yonsei/National Taiwan Uni/Nanyang Tech/Kyoto/Osaka

 

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rwth aachen, delft university of technology, polytech milan when it comes to engineering

Not sure if you're joking, but these are known literally nowhere

ETH is the only decent STEM university in continental Europe
EPFL too, for frenchcels

 

[Going2KillMyself]

Too much cope in this thread

Two industries that have done especially well post GFC: Software and High finance (notably PE and VC).

Software places less of a premium on the prestige element but it is still valued. Since software will also reach saturation sooner than later (we are 12+ years in the cheap money era, after all), it will become increasingly important to go to a prestigious university.

high finance is a shrinking sector overall with fewer opportunities so prestige matters infinitely more there.

These are the two sectors where u can build upper middle class wealth reasonably quickly with a grind.

Top 20 university is bare minimum, top 5 ideal, top 3 and you're set. Top 20-7 is iffy -- they're semi targets and the grind will be brutal you're basically on a thin tightrope and if u fuck up recruitment in year 1 or 2 its game over. You will not recover and settle for shittier jobs that barely scrape upper middle class in many cases. Keep this in mind.

In hindsight I'd do software if I had the aptitude and grind leetcode, and coast with a FAANG. High finance is a brutal looksmin grind (as in, 60 hours is considered a good work week). I would take software to MAXIMIZE my youth gains (i.e. work life balance in prime years 22-31).

But high finance is a pyramid where if u can make it to the top u can theoretically get entry level athlete salaries. Whether or not thats a cope is up to u to decide.

I won't ramble on but good look and try to minimize your regrets.

 

[Going2KillMyself]

jfl i just read In EU - what I wrote above is specific to North America (USA particular).

Yeah so basically outside of high finance and some govt work, in the EU ur in for a brutal grind and prob will settle for significantly less than anything the US offers.

Prestige in the EU is even more important because the financial centers in London are basically hotbeds for everything from Asian and russian mathcels to Oxbridge connectioncels. EU also has fewer opportunities.

I don't envy EUcels in any capacity with the exception that they probably never had dreams of wealth to begin with.

 

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Too much cope in this thread

Two industries that have done especially well post GFC: Software and High finance (notably PE and VC).

Software places less of a premium on the prestige element but it is still valued. Since software will also reach saturation sooner than later (we are 12+ years in the cheap money era, after all), it will become increasingly important to go to a prestigious university.

high finance is a shrinking sector overall with fewer opportunities so prestige matters infinitely more there.

These are the two sectors where u can build upper middle class wealth reasonably quickly with a grind.

Top 20 university is bare minimum, top 5 ideal, top 3 and you're set. Top 20-7 is iffy -- they're semi targets and the grind will be brutal you're basically on a thin tightrope and if u fuck up recruitment in year 1 or 2 its game over. You will not recover and settle for shittier jobs that barely scrape upper middle class in many cases. Keep this in mind.

In hindsight I'd do software if I had the aptitude and grind leetcode, and coast with a FAANG. High finance is a brutal looksmin grind (as in, 60 hours is considered a good work week). I would take software to MAXIMIZE my youth gains (i.e. work life balance in prime years 22-31).

But high finance is a pyramid where if u can make it to the top u can theoretically get entry level athlete salaries. Whether or not thats a cope is up to u to decide.

I won't ramble on but good look and try to minimize your regrets.

Software Industry is only really big in the USA

In Europe UK leads by a large margin but UK Software Industry Salaries are shit tier since everything gets outsourced to India or the Ukraine

 

[Going2KillMyself]

Software Industry is only really big in the USA

In Europe UK leads by a large margin but UK Software Industry Salaries are shit tier since everything gets outsourced to India or the Ukraine

YES good observation. Software in EU u should take with a grain of salt u will be middle class at best and prob subject to intense competition from slaves from Eastern Europe and asia

 

[Going2KillMyself]

Bro when u look at growth rates for the EU u gotta realize its basically stagnant. No reaul quality job growth aside from uber and deliveroo drivers jfl. Shit jobs for so many candidates so ur in for a grind anyway u look at it unless u can start some sort of business.

This is why looksmaxxing is critical because imagine sacrificing your looks in a bid to win this brutal competition and all of a sudden you realize you've looksminned yourself for nothing

 

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Bro when u look at growth rates for the EU u gotta realize its basically stagnant. No reaul quality job growth aside from uber and deliveroo drivers jfl. Shit jobs for so many candidates so ur in for a grind anyway u look at it unless u can start some sort of business.

This is why looksmaxxing is critical because imagine sacrificing your looks in a bid to win this brutal competition and all of a sudden you realize you've looksminned yourself for nothing

Medical/Pharmaceutical professions are at least good due to aging population but that's it

Whether its the Be-Ne-Lux, D-A-Ch, France, Italy or Spain Europeans tend to be very socialist and anti-capitalist

Belgium for example has the lowest percentage of people owning stocks out of all western nations at 5%

Anglo Countries typically have 30% of the population owning stocks

In addition European companies rarely are listed on the stock exchange and are kept private therefore the High Finance Sector is very small

 

[Going2KillMyself]

Medical/Pharmaceutical professions are at least good due to aging population but that's it

Whether its the Be-Ne-Lux, D-A-Ch, France, Italy or Spain Europeans tend to be very socialist and anti-capitalist

Belgium for example has the lowest percentage of people owning stocks out of all western nations at 5%

Anglo Countries typically have 30% of the population owning stocks

In addition European companies rarely are listed on the stock exchange and are kept private therefore the High Finance Sector is very small

but really not everyone can do medical professions, especially dealing with wounds and blood and shit

Make sure u live ur life then dont chase wealth if u know ur country is cucked, try to max/min with looksmaxxing and enjoyment in mind

 

[Enfant terrible]

Incels coping with education again

 

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HKUST is indeed strong in business.

But in terms of prestige among Asian unis, Tsinghua/Peking are ultimate. Definitely go to one of those two if you can. Why? China is the most economically powerful and influential asian country, and that power is only projected to rise in coming years. Also Tsinghua/Peking have the lowest acceptance rates due to China's enormous population, thereby further driving up perception of prestige.

Top of Asian uni tier list would look something like this:

1. Tsinghua/Peking
2. U of Tokyo/NUS/U of Hong Kong/HKUST/SNU
3. Rest of China's C9 league/Yonsei/National Taiwan Uni/Nanyang Tech/Kyoto/Osaka

I'd put HKU/HKUST also in 1. tier

Honkong = basically mainland China but also internationally known and those universities have many billionaire alumnus and in some subjects outperform Tsinghua/Peking

 

[Deleted member 6573]

I'd put HKU/HKUST also in 1. tier

Honkong = basically mainland China but also internationally known and those universities have many billionaire alumnus and in some subjects outperform Tsinghua/Peking

In terms of recognition, HK and KHUST rival Tsinghua and Peking. All four are internationally renown.

In terms of exclusivity, Tsinghua/Peking mog every HK university to self-harm, if not suicide. In fact this holds true for any C9 university. Due to the sheer number of high school graduates in China, acceptance rates to Tsinghua/Peking are lower than 0.1%. It is far harder to enter a C9 university as a Chinese student than an Ivy League university as an American. It isn't unusual for smaller provinces to send only one or two kids to Beijing for uni every year, and the entire village would usually celebrate such an occasion. Schools would frame their pictures for future generations, etc. Trust me, making it to Tsinghua/Peking as a Chinese is literally God tier.

Getting in as an international student is a lot easier, though entry standards are rising year by year. They don't publish these requirements, but I suspect it's far harder than getting into HK/HKUST. For reference, the average IB score in those two HK unis are 37.1. A solid score, but not stellar. I know people who got offers to BBA in U of HK with a 35 IB.

To analogize your position, UCL and Penn are both equally well-known, but you'd be pretty silly to put them in the same tier due to that alone; it is far, far harder to enter Penn (7.7% acceptance rate) than UCL (50-60% acceptance rate).

 

[Deleted member 6573]

I'd put HKU/HKUST also in 1. tier

Honkong = basically mainland China but also internationally known and those universities have many billionaire alumnus and in some subjects outperform Tsinghua/Peking

https://www.ibo.org/contentassets/5895a05412144fe890312bad52b17044/recognition-international-student-guide-hk-en.pdf

here is the source for average IB scores in Hong Kong unis.

 

[homo_faber]

Not sure if you're joking, but these are known literally nowhere

ETH is the only decent STEM university in continental Europe
EPFL too, for frenchcels

do you work in human ressources in the big car and machine companies in europe? hell my cousin went rwth aachen straight to mckinsey with a degree in engineering, other people go to bmw, bosch etc

maybe you cant flex on internet forums with it but the people who matter know.

 

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https://www.ibo.org/contentassets/5895a05412144fe890312bad52b17044/recognition-international-student-guide-hk-en.pdf

here is the source for average IB scores in Hong Kong unis.

Would you go to University of Amsterdam (most prestigious dutch uni) or to Tsinghua/Peking/HKU/HKUST for Economics?

Pros :
Cheaper Fees & Living Costs Than HK
Better City Life, No Gooks
Easier Language

Cons:
Maybe less Career Opportunity
Slightly lower ranked than HKU/HKUT
Get Mogged By Tall Dutch Chads

 

[Deleted member 6573]

Would you go to University of Amsterdam (most prestigious dutch uni) or to Tsinghua/Peking/HKU/HKUST for Economics?

Pros :
Cheaper Fees & Living Costs Than HK
Better City Life, No Gooks
Easier Language

Cons:
Maybe less Career Opportunity
Slightly lower ranked than HKU/HKUT
Get Mogged By Tall Dutch Chads

Taking all those factors into consideration, in order of where I would go to:

1. Tsinghua
2. Peking
3. HKUST
4. Hong Kong
5. Amsterdam

 

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Taking all those factors into consideration, in order of where I would go to:

1. Tsinghua
2. Peking
3. HKUST
4. Hong Kong
5. Amsterdam

LSE " B.Sc. Accounting & Finance" mogs all of those 5 for IB

Its top tier everywhere

 

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LSE " B.Sc. Accounting & Finance" mogs all of those 5 for IB

Its top tier everywhere

Ill rope if i don't get admitted to that course tbh

BSc Accounting and Finance

Gain in-demand skills for a rewarding and well-paid career in finance with this combined honours programme.

www.lse.ac.uk

 

[Deleted member 6573]

LSE " B.Sc. Accounting & Finance" mogs all of those 5 for IB

Its top tier everywhere

I agree, LSE as a business school is miles ahead of any asian university.

 

[thecaste]

Obviously.

I had to google up St Gallen. Thought it was some random UK uni, turns out it's swiss.

Now imagine picking fucking St Gallen over ETH Zurich or EPFL, two mogger STEM schools. Any basic engineering/science degree from one of those two institutions would mog St Gallen to suicide, forget about Tsinghua/Peking.

As for the rich alumni, it's like Menlo College in the states. Rich kids who can't make it into Stanford go to Menlo. Rich kids who can't make it to ETH go to St Gallen. Its brand name is useless; rich people just have more connections on average. If you're not rich don't expect anything from going to St Gallen lol

Nigga wtf, ETH is not a business school, stop comparing apples to pears. When it comes to business schools HSG is one of the best and if you are saying otherwise you are coping hard. Your post is full of dumb statements and assumptions, no wonder you didn't get into yale.

 

[Deleted member 6573]

Nigga wtf, ETH is not a business school, stop comparing apples to pears. When it comes to business schools HSG is one of the best and if you are saying otherwise you are coping hard. Your post is full of dumb statements and assumptions, no wonder you didn't get into yale.

Your point is moot if an engineering degree from ETH beats a business degree from St Gallen for IB placement. It's like saying Harvard doesn't have an undergrad business school, so it would be better to go to UCLA Anderson if you wanna get into IB. No, any Harvard degree beats UCLA Anderson for IB.

Oh, and Princeton beats Yale for undergrad.

 

[thecaste]

Your point is moot if an engineering degree from ETH beats a business degree from St Gallen for IB placement. It's like saying Harvard doesn't have an undergrad business school, so it would be better to go to UCLA Anderson if you wanna get into IB. No, any Harvard degree beats UCLA Anderson for IB.

Oh, and Princeton beats Yale for undergrad

OP wanted to get a business degree and not a STEM degree, that's why I mentioned HSG. If OP didn't have ANY specific interests or skills that influenced his choice of which degree to pursue, ETH would be the best option of course.

 

[Deleted member 6573]

OP wanted to get a business degree and not a STEM degree, that's why I mentioned HSG. If OP didn't have ANY specific interests or skills that influenced his choice of which degree to pursue, ETH would be the best option of course.

OP wants to work in finance, and assumed that a business school would be the optimal way there. This is not necessarily true.