Ending the body coping: 99% of guys with any muscle/good body are on ROIDS

[Deleted member 20704]

LIterally that is it for you bodycopers ... Any guy who has good, visible, "showy muscles" is almost guaranteed to be on gear.

All beefy Hollywood guys are on cycle. Stop coping with muh muh they aren't big Mr. Olympia guys, most guys on gear don't have to be THAT big. No, only RARELY will you ever get a combo of being lean (near six pack) while also having size (over 23 FFMI).

All pro athletes use gear, because -- even if they aren't using for size -- they use for performance.

Users like @Amnesia and @Arborist are both on gear and won't tell anyone since they're both lying autists and copers (don't even need to explain Amnesia, the guy is almost a joke at this point since I've dug in to his shit to see he's evidently quite full of it). No normal guy can put on any real size without gear, just look at pictures of men 100+ years ago before steroids/anabolic agents existed, guys looked like this with > 1,000+ ng/dl. If this is the best "genetically gifted" men could do before roids, why is every YouTube nigga bigger now and more filled out? Why are so many here suddenly blowing up & shredding down? Why does Amnesia have capped, 3-D delts, size & low bodyfat? Why is this autistic, basement dweller Arborist look like a fucking water balloon? You're telling me you think they just decided to workout and that is the story? LMAO That the difference between someone like Amnesia or Arborist or etc. and elite bodybuilders 100 years ago is ... Hard work? LOL Never mind the fact that Amnesia is a liar overall ... You gotta believe him when he says he's natty, right?

These were the HEY DAYS of mankind ... REAL men with high T, high sense of purpose, not incel men of today ... Yet look at how small they are. It can't all be muh genetics, these are guys from various backgrounds, notably those with the supposed "superior" genetics AKA Germans for one, but look like shit. Somehow the genetically "elite" Germans couldn't gain an oz. of muscle 100 years ago, but now every motherfucker under the sun is carrying around canonball fuckin delts and weighs nearly 200 lbs. at 12% bodyfat & 5'9" is not questioned at all.

You're telling me the faggots on here with 200 ng/dl of testosterone suddenly have nearly single digit bf% levels while being 5'9" manlets & weighing >180 lbs.? You also believe in these too? Because if some liars on here say it's the truth, it must be, right?

WAKE THE FUCK UP! There are almost zero zoomers/millennials who would be near single digit bf% and have so much muscle on them, it's literally almost impossible except for maybe 1% of guys max. So it's quite easy to see who's the bullshitter or not.

IT'S NOT EVEN MUH GENETICS IT'S FAX. NORMAL MEN ARE NOT MEANT TO BE GIGALEAN + MUSCLY. IF PRIME MEN 100 YEARS OF AGO DIDN'T, FEW ESPECIALLY NOW WILL.

Your days of coping are over ... Your false idols KinoBuddy, Betadestiny, etc. are all roided:

 

[Deleted member 22924]

JUST USE SARMS/ROIDS THAN

 

[Orc]

 

[Deleted member 23558]

Natty is meme. Low dose roids mog . Permanent shutdown is meme

 

[looksmaxxed]

being on full test cycle while blasting tren, dbol, and anavar is the bare minium to be skinnyfat in this era of daily xenoestrogenic assault on the body

 

[Deleted member 20704]

being on full test cycle while blasting tren, dbol, and anavar is the bare minium to be skinnyfat in this era of daily xenoestrogenic assault on the body

But we're supposed to see some bloated gymcel and assume it's because he actually puts the work in, not because he's on fucking sauce.

Amnesia never once mentioned lifting a single weight in the years past, then suddenly ~2022 he can bench > 225 & looks like a bodybuilder with capped, flared out delts, being super lean/low bodyfat and having vascularity ... All while calling himself a "twink" too of course:

If anyone still is gonna doubt me then here's what you need to do to yourself:

ALL YOU NIGGAS ARE FUCKING LIARS AND FULL OF SO MUCH SHIT, FR.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

Yup, it's EXTREMELY easy to tell who is and is not natty if you have even 1 year of lifting experience.

Natty's don't even look like they lift under normal lighting without a pump. Vinnie Hacker is a good example of the natty limit.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

Yup, it's EXTREMELY easy to tell who is and is not natty if you have even 1 year of lifting experience.

Natty's don't look like this even lift under normal lighting without a pump. Vinnie Hacker is a good example of the natty limit.



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Yup, that's nearly the biggest, give or take, while remianing fairly lean that most guys will get. Anything bigger is sus if still equally lean.

Plus even if guys don't look like they're "on" they could have done shit anyways, they maybe used less, are off cycle, non responders, etc. Every nigga is different,some guys look like dogshit natty so on low dose/TRT they look like shit still but less, but they can still be on gear is the point.

 

[Bashan]

I get your point but you're too extreme

 

[anoncell]

You're comparing people with 0 nutritional or gym knowledge to this day and age.

 

[Deleted member 13626]

If u r too scared to hop on roids bcs of ed, balding or money issues then natty lifting isn’t coping. It is if you’re not gl or a manlet

For a gl guy with a good height, it’s enough to be lean and with a little bit of muscle that isn’t required to roid to achieve

Ex

 

[Deleted member 22627]

Yup, it's EXTREMELY easy to tell who is and is not natty if you have even 1 year of lifting experience.

Natty's don't look like this even lift under normal lighting without a pump. Vinnie Hacker is a good example of the natty limit.



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I was never big but every fucking guy and girl in the gym instantly knew when i injected T for the first time. It was hilariously obvious even though I'm a low responder to gear.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

If u r too scared to hop on roids bcs of ed, balding or money issues then natty lifting isn’t coping. It is if you’re not gl or a manlet

For a gl guy with a good height, it’s enough to be lean and with a little bit of muscle that isn’t required to roid to achieve

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Male models normally use roids, they may not be "on" in this pic but Squintman probably has used before, don't know the other guy tho.

Literally any job where you have to look good almost generally assures 99.9% of them will use roids, especially for dudes.

Imagine what kinda pics on Insta you'd get of gymcels natty and starving themselves to 8% bodyfat, just lol I don't even need to show you.

But somehow every motherfucka suddenly can look fantastic in all angles ,pics, etc. & have good size. The secret: EXOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

You're comparing people with 0 nutritional or gym knowledge to this day and age.

Right, people didn't know how to eat food or rest before the internet. GTFO of here kid, you don't know what you talkin about & it's showing.

Go back to your GoyPedia article on how much soy or gluten or birch bark you gotta eat per day to maximize ur gains, bruh & Zyzzmaxx

 

[kranerman23123]

LIterally that is it for you bodycopers ... Any guy who has good, visible, "showy muscles" is almost guaranteed to be on gear.

All beefy Hollywood guys are on cycle. Stop coping with muh muh they aren't big Mr. Olympia guys, most guys on gear don't have to be THAT big. No, only RARELY will you ever get a combo of being lean (near six pack) while also having size (over 23 FFMI).

All pro athletes use gear, because -- even if they aren't using for size -- they use for performance.

Users like @Amnesia and @Arborist are both on gear and won't tell anyone since they're both lying autists and copers (don't even need to explain Amnesia, the guy is almost a joke at this point since I've dug in to his shit to see he's evidently quite full of it). No normal guy can put on any real size without gear, just look at pictures of men 100+ years ago before steroids/anabolic agents existed, guys looked like this with > 1,000+ ng/dl. If this is the best "genetically gifted" men could do before roids, why is every YouTube nigga bigger now and more filled out? Why are so many here suddenly blowing up & shredding down? Why does Amnesia have capped, 3-D delts, size & low bodyfat? Why is this autistic, basement dweller Arborist look like a fucking water balloon? You're telling me you think they just decided to workout and that is the story? LMAO That the difference between someone like Amnesia or Arborist or etc. and elite bodybuilders 100 years ago is ... Hard work? LOL Never mind the fact that Amnesia is a liar overall ... You gotta believe him when he says he's natty, right?

These were the HEY DAYS of mankind ... REAL men with high T, high sense of purpose, not incel men of today ... Yet look at how small they are. It can't all be muh genetics, these are guys from various backgrounds, notably those with the supposed "superior" genetics AKA Germans for one, but look like shit. Somehow the genetically "elite" Germans couldn't gain an oz. of muscle 100 years ago, but now every motherfucker under the sun is carrying around canonball fuckin delts and weighs nearly 200 lbs. at 12% bodyfat & 5'9" is not questioned at all.

You're telling me the faggots on here with 200 ng/dl of testosterone suddenly have nearly single digit bf% levels while being 5'9" manlets & weighing >180 lbs.? You also believe in these too? Because if some liars on here say it's the truth, it must be, right?

WAKE THE FUCK UP! There are almost zero zoomers/millennials who would be near single digit bf% and have so much muscle on them, it's literally almost impossible except for maybe 1% of guys max. So it's quite easy to see who's the bullshitter or not.

IT'S NOT EVEN MUH GENETICS IT'S FAX. NORMAL MEN ARE NOT MEANT TO BE GIGALEAN + MUSCLY. IF PRIME MEN 100 YEARS OF AGO DIDN'T, FEW ESPECIALLY NOW WILL.

Your days of coping are over ... Your false idols KinoBuddy, Betadestiny, etc. are all roided:

You realize they had no idea how muscular hypertrophy, strength training, nutrition, progressive overload, or muscles in general worked back then right..? There is a reason that zoomers with 1/4th the T levels as them become the same size off of 2 years of training. Because they were fucking retarded back then. Throwing heavy tires over their back and hauling sacks of rocks and doing stupid ass injury prone strongman shit, trying to overhead press a bar with 2 barrels on the end without ever having doing the movement before to test their strength. To be a strongman back then you just had to be genetically gifted because the training regimes they did literally had 10% of an affect on why they looked like that lol. They had no idea what they were fucking doing or how to build muscle of course they looked like shit. This is how any new skill or sport works. People get exponentially better at it as more people get into it and more discoveries are made. It has been 100 years since those guys. Think of how different the training looked for Boxing 100 years ago, and how different the sport looked. They literally were not even doing the same shit. Also the PEDS that pro athletes use generally have nothing to do with androgenic reception they are usually to help endurance.

 

[Deleted member 13626]

Male models normally use roids, they may not be "on" in this pic but Squintman probably has used before, don't know the other guy tho.

Squintman

Literally any job where you have to look good almost generally assures 99.9% of them will use roids, especially for dudes.

I doubt jordan barret or psl alien models used roids, why would they if they barely show their bodies and when they do it’s mostly being lean?

But somehow every motherfucka suddenly can look fantastic in all angles ,pics, etc. & have good size. The secret: EXOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE.

Brutal, this forum makes natty lifting look worthless but steroids are bad especially if prone to balding or someone with health condition/s or lack of money or unhealthy lifestyle in general

 

[Deleted member 24940]

Male models normally use roids, they may not be "on" in this pic but Squintman probably has used before, don't know the other guy tho.

Literally any job where you have to look good almost generally assures 99.9% of them will use roids, especially for dudes.

Imagine what kinda pics on Insta you'd get of gymcels natty and starving themselves to 8% bodyfat, just lol I don't even need to show you.

But somehow every motherfucka suddenly can look fantastic in all angles ,pics, etc. & have good size. The secret: EXOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE.

They don't admit it because they want to fraud good genetics. Girls are turned off if you tell them you roid because it means your frauding testosterone levels, but I'd you pretend it's natty like all your surgeries they assume it's superior genetics

 

[Deleted member 20704]

You realize they had no idea how muscular hypertrophy, strength training, nutrition, progressive overload, or muscles in general worked back then right..? There is a reason that zoomers with 1/4th the T levels as them become the same size off of 2 years of training. Because they were fucking retarded back then. Throwing heavy tires over their back and hauling sacks of rocks and doing stupid ass injury prone strongman shit, trying to overhead press a bar with 2 barrels on the end without ever having doing the movement before to test their strength. To be a strongman back then you just had to be genetically gifted because the training regimes they did literally had 10% of an affect on why they looked like that lol. They had no idea what they were fucking doing or how to build muscle of course they looked like shit. This is how any new skill or sport works. People get exponentially better at it as more people get into it and more discoveries are made. It has been 100 years since those guys. Think of how different the training looked for Boxing 100 years ago, and how different the sport looked. They literally were not even doing the same shit. Also the PEDS that pro athletes use generally have nothing to do with androgenic reception they are usually to help endurance.

 

[kranerman23123]

tldr they are noobs. Take some freak with 1000 ng/dl and have him haul tractor tires around for 4 hours a day he wont look very good either.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

You realize they had no idea how muscular hypertrophy, strength training, nutrition, progressive overload, or muscles in general worked back then right..? There is a reason that zoomers with 1/4th the T levels as them become the same size off of 2 years of training. Because they were fucking retarded back then. Throwing heavy tires over their back and hauling sacks of rocks and doing stupid ass injury prone strongman shit, trying to overhead press a bar with 2 barrels on the end without ever having doing the movement before to test their strength. To be a strongman back then you just had to be genetically gifted because the training regimes they did literally had 10% of an affect on why they looked like that lol. They had no idea what they were fucking doing or how to build muscle of course they looked like shit. This is how any new skill or sport works. People get exponentially better at it as more people get into it and more discoveries are made. It has been 100 years since those guys. Think of how different the training looked for Boxing 100 years ago, and how different the sport looked. They literally were not even doing the same shit. Also the PEDS that pro athletes use generally have nothing to do with androgenic reception they are usually to help endurance.

Of course they knew. People back then werent retards. They may not have called it hypertrophy or progressive overload but trough experimentation they would have found out what worked and what didn't and no doubt meat was the primary source of nutrition.

 

[kranerman23123]

They don't admit it because they want to fraud good genetics. Girls are turned off if you tell them you roid because it means your frauding testosterone levels, but I'd you pretend it's natty like all your surgeries they assume it's superior genetics

Are U dumb? Do you really think Sean O Pry is on the sauce or would even risk fucking with his hairline or collagen to look fucking ottermode? Celebrities and fashion models take steroids, sure. Celebrities take them because they are lazy and have to fluctuate their physique like crazy. Theres millions of dollars on the line

 

[kranerman23123]

Of course they knew. People back then werent retards. They may not have called it hypertrophy or progressive overload but trough experimentation they would have found out what worked and what didn't and no doubt meat was the primary source of nutrition.

if this was the case then why arent people using workout routines that existed 100 years ago if they were just as good and instead using ones from the 80s and 90s when weightlifting peaked in popularity as a sport

 

[softlysoftly]

You're comparing people with 0 nutritional or gym knowledge to this day and age.

exactly the knowledge and information on like muscular hypertrophy wasn't as advanced back then as it was now

OP is so stupid there is more to it than muh hard work eat and rest that is very generic and trite

also germans aren't even like the genetic elite when it comes to bodybuilding its a specific group of Nigerians that excel the most at naturally looking phenomenal in bodybuilding

op is stupid as a rock and wants all the excuses to sit there and rot
ofc there are fake nattys but its just reductionist to think all people with a slightly impressive body is on gear

 

[Deleted member 20704]

ALL YOU SHUT UP.

WE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO EXERCISE OR EAT OR LIFT WEIGHTS BACK THEN, NO INTERNET AND NO DEREK FROM MPMD

NOW WE GOT PROTEIN POWDER, CREATINE, BCAAS AND SPLIT ARM WORKOUTS.

THAT DINNUT EXEST IN THE 1900 WHICH WHY GUIZE BACK DEN WERE SMOLL, NOW WE GOT MPMD SO WE ARE BIGGER.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

ALL YOU SHUT UP.

WE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO EXERCISE OR EAT OR LIFT WEIGHTS BACK THEN, NO INTERNET AND NO DEREK FROM MPMD

NOW WE GOT PROTEIN POWDER, CREATINE, BCAAS AND SPLIT ARM WORKOUTS, N A GENIUS LIKE DEREK WHO HELP US BIG

THAT DINNUT EXEST IN THE 1900 WHICH WHY GUIZE BACK DEN WERE SMOLL, NOW WE GOT MPMD SO WE r BIGGER.

 

[GetShrekt]

Natty is meme.

 

[anoncell]

Right, people didn't know how to eat food or rest before the internet. GTFO of here kid, you don't know what you talkin about & it's showing.

Early bodybuilders often relied on basic exercises and lifting heavy weights to build strength and muscle mass. In contrast, modern natural bodybuilders have access to advanced training techniques, specialized equipment, and more knowledge about nutrition and supplements.

Basically back then they had 0 knowledge on what exercise created hypotrophy in-fact most of them didn't even try reach hypotrophy they just threw random shit over their head.

 

[kranerman23123]

5x5 wasnt even discovered until the 80s. You have to assume that before then they would just pick up the bar and rep until failure over and over again with the same weight every day

 

[Artemis]

LIterally that is it for you bodycopers ... Any guy who has good, visible, "showy muscles" is almost guaranteed to be on gear.

All beefy Hollywood guys are on cycle. Stop coping with muh muh they aren't big Mr. Olympia guys, most guys on gear don't have to be THAT big. No, only RARELY will you ever get a combo of being lean (near six pack) while also having size (over 23 FFMI).

All pro athletes use gear, because -- even if they aren't using for size -- they use for performance.

Users like @Amnesia and @Arborist are both on gear and won't tell anyone since they're both lying autists and copers (don't even need to explain Amnesia, the guy is almost a joke at this point since I've dug in to his shit to see he's evidently quite full of it). No normal guy can put on any real size without gear, just look at pictures of men 100+ years ago before steroids/anabolic agents existed, guys looked like this with > 1,000+ ng/dl. If this is the best "genetically gifted" men could do before roids, why is every YouTube nigga bigger now and more filled out? Why are so many here suddenly blowing up & shredding down? Why does Amnesia have capped, 3-D delts, size & low bodyfat? Why is this autistic, basement dweller Arborist look like a fucking water balloon? You're telling me you think they just decided to workout and that is the story? LMAO That the difference between someone like Amnesia or Arborist or etc. and elite bodybuilders 100 years ago is ... Hard work? LOL Never mind the fact that Amnesia is a liar overall ... You gotta believe him when he says he's natty, right?

These were the HEY DAYS of mankind ... REAL men with high T, high sense of purpose, not incel men of today ... Yet look at how small they are. It can't all be muh genetics, these are guys from various backgrounds, notably those with the supposed "superior" genetics AKA Germans for one, but look like shit. Somehow the genetically "elite" Germans couldn't gain an oz. of muscle 100 years ago, but now every motherfucker under the sun is carrying around canonball fuckin delts and weighs nearly 200 lbs. at 12% bodyfat & 5'9" is not questioned at all.

You're telling me the faggots on here with 200 ng/dl of testosterone suddenly have nearly single digit bf% levels while being 5'9" manlets & weighing >180 lbs.? You also believe in these too? Because if some liars on here say it's the truth, it must be, right?

WAKE THE FUCK UP! There are almost zero zoomers/millennials who would be near single digit bf% and have so much muscle on them, it's literally almost impossible except for maybe 1% of guys max. So it's quite easy to see who's the bullshitter or not.

IT'S NOT EVEN MUH GENETICS IT'S FAX. NORMAL MEN ARE NOT MEANT TO BE GIGALEAN + MUSCLY. IF PRIME MEN 100 YEARS OF AGO DIDN'T, FEW ESPECIALLY NOW WILL.

Your days of coping are over ... Your false idols KinoBuddy, Betadestiny, etc. are all roided:

READ.
EVERY.
WORD.

And I fully agree exactly for the reasons you listed: WHY ARE THERE NO SHREDDED PEOPLE WITH FFMI > 22 IN THE PAST?

Pretty much 10% BF and CANNON DELTS guarantee that the guy is on gear.

 

[Deleted member 16474]

natural forever!!

 

[Deleted member 22627]

if this was the case then why arent people using workout routines that existed 100 years ago if they were just as good and instead using ones from the 80s and 90s when weightlifting peaked in popularity as a sport

People do whatever shit is popular and possible to do in commercial gyms. Body weight exercises and strong man shit is close to what old school guys did from what I've read. Lots of squats, and OHP and shit.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

natural forever!!

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[Deleted member 20704]

5x5 wasnt even discovered until the 80s. You have to assume that before then they would just pick up the bar and rep until failure over and over again with the same weight every day

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, did it fall?

Early bodybuilders often relied on basic exercises and lifting heavy weights to build strength and muscle mass. In contrast, modern natural bodybuilders have access to advanced training techniques, specialized equipment, and more knowledge about nutrition and supplements.

Basically back then they had 0 knowledge on what exercise created hypotrophy in-fact most of them didn't even try reach hypotrophy they just threw random shit over their head.

Yeah, just so happens Arnold was one of the first guys to learn how to train properly for size.

Thanks to him every guy past the 1980s can become 220 + lbs. while being sub 8 percent bodyfat due to modern diets + workouts.

 

[kranerman23123]

People do whatever shit is popular and possible to do in commercial gyms. Body weight exercises and strong man shit is close to what old school guys did from what I've read. Lots of squats, and OHP and shit.

Exactly. Compound exercises are for strength training not hypertrophy.

 

[Orc]

why would they if they barely show their bodies and when they do it’s mostly being lean?

testosterone is good for your skin, it keeps it young.

 

[kranerman23123]

natural forever!!

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mfucker i was trying to make a point here

 

[Deleted member 20704]

natural forever!!

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Peak natty for sure. Now go look at that faggot @Amnesia in a post above and look at that roided douche, NOT NATTY.

You will never get to his size, in fact I urge you to try while keeping that lean to get bigger, it's not gonna happen natty LOL

 

[kranerman23123]

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, did it fall?



Yeah, just so happens Arnold was one of the first guys to learn how to train properly for size.

Thanks to him every guy past the 1980s can become 220 + lbs. while being sub 8 percent bodyfat due to modern diets + workouts.

Well why do you think he was such a revolutionary icon....? It doesnt matter if they are smart or not, in sports you make discovery overtime. Look at the way boxers boxed 100 years ago they look retarded.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

I doubt jordan barret or psl alien models used roids, why would they if they barely show their bodies and when they do it’s mostly being lean?

Roids can be to shred down, not just blow up. You guys here don't seem to overall have enough knowlegde on hormones/etc., do you?

 

[Deleted member 20704]

Well why do you think he was such a revolutionary icon....? It doesnt matter if they are smart or not, in sports you make discovery overtime. Look at the way boxers boxed 100 years ago they look retarded.

Why would you compare the technique of boxing to the physiological differences regarding hormones/drug use? That's a bad comparison.

He was an icon because he had great frame, muscle insertions, etc. and had the ideal look for the time + used roids to look even better.

It had NOTHING to do with training, it's fucking ridiculous to think that the limiting factor on building muscle is workout style, not hormones LOL

How else do you explain why every motherfucker from every different culture, lifestyle/walk of life, background, epigenetics, etc. gets big on enough T? T doesn't teach you how to workout but take enough of it for enough time and virtually anyone will put on noticeable size.

The reason guys/bodybuilders 100 years ago almost never had a good look was because they had no access to exogenous hormones to help create this look, not because they didn't do what some faggot on an internet video told them who studies kinesiology or some other bullshit.

 

[kranerman23123]

Why would you compare the technique of boxing to the physiological differences regarding hormones/drug use? That's a bad comparison.

It is a sport. You are using different techniques to gain more muscle then the next guy. Natty competitions exist. Listen I am just sitting here trying to explain this to you not debate. I know multiple mma fighters irl who look bigger then these dudes. They dont look very good because they didnt know how to properly train, they didnt have the proper equipment, and they didnt know what to eat. I know natty fighters who definitely mog any steroid user on the forum. The blackpill is that genetics > steroids

 

[kranerman23123]

Why would you compare the technique of boxing to the physiological differences regarding hormones/drug use? That's a bad comparison.

He was an icon because he had great frame, muscle insertions, etc. and had the ideal look for the time + used roids to look even better.

It had NOTHING to do with training, it's fucking ridiculous to think that the limiting factor on building muscle is workout style, not hormones LOL

How else do you explain why every motherfucker from every different culture, lifestyle/walk of life, background, epigenetics, etc. gets big on enough T? T doesn't teach you how to workout but take enough of it for enough time and virtually anyone will put on noticeable size.

yikes you have no idea what youre talking about you must be a coping fatty

 

[Deleted member 13626]

Roids can be to shred down, not just blow up. You guys here don't seem to overall have enough knowlegde on hormones/etc., do you?

I mean idk about others but i have 0 knowledge on roids jfl i wanna lift natty one day, not be big but just like the guys i posted (nick squintman for ex)

I have good muscle insertions , frame and 800 ng/dl and i just turned 19 so i think i have a decent chance of not wasting my time. Ik roids will be better but can’t risky ED, balding or other side effects not to mention money, health

 

[kranerman23123]

I mean idk about others but i have 0 knowledge on roids jfl i wanna lift natty one day, not be big but just like the guys i posted (nick squintman for ex)

I have good muscle insertions , frame and 800 ng/dl and i just turned 19 so i think i have a decent chance of not wasting my time. Ik roids will be better but can’t risky ED, balding or other side effects not to mention money, health

Dude do not listen to stupid ass threads like these and start fucking with roids and derek MPMDing yourself. Stay natty and if you suspect you arent making any gains and that your t levels are low then go to the doctor and get them checked and see if he will give you trt. Roids are such a looksmin if you dont know what you are doing op is trolling

 

[Deleted member 20704]

I mean idk about others but i have 0 knowledge on roids jfl i wanna lift natty one day, not be big but just like the guys i posted (nick squintman for ex)

I have good muscle insertions , frame and 800 ng/dl and i just turned 19 so i think i have a decent chance of not wasting my time. Ik roids will be better but can’t risky ED, balding or other side effects not to mention money, health

If you have good face, height, frame, natural hormones high, etc. don't bother with roids at all, there's literally zero point basically then.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

Exactly. Compound exercises are for strength training not hypertrophy.

Strength will make you big.
Look at Greek statues of their Olympians, peak natty but not huge. It's a common mistake to assume people were more stupid because they didn't have technology. They'd experiment, research, talk to other people.

In the 70s, 80s and 90s every lifter did a bro split with a shit load of reps per body part. Later people started doing PPL, 5x5 or whatever became popular. I don't even think splits matter all that much you can get to your limit with almost any program.

 

[forevergymcelling]

 

[MoggerGaston]

ofcourse, a LOT of people are using PEDs nowadays. Especially professional athletes and others that make money with their physique:

so thats also pretty much all actors, youtubers, fitness gurus, instagram models and so forth.
anyone that denies this is just retarded.

 

[Deleted member 20704]

They dont look very good because they didnt know how to properly train, they didnt have the proper equipment, and they didnt know what to eat.

Yep, and this guy told me he got this size by following the right diet of top ramen and tuna, plus top of the line prison equipment+diet:

It's too bad only modern diets have pasta and tuna, this is why niggas in the 1900s was so small, they didn't get Japanese noodles + hood prison sentences which we all know make you 300 lbs. of muscle from the dedicated starches, salt and bending over to grab the soap + zero sunlight.

 

[kranerman23123]

Strength will make you big.
Look at Greek statues of their Olympians, peak natty but not huge. It's a common mistake to assume people were more stupid because they didn't have technology. They'd experiment, research, talk to other people.

In the 70s, 80s and 90s every lifter did a bro split with a shit load of reps per body part. Later people started doing PPL, 5x5 or whatever became popular. I don't even think splits matter all that much you can get to your limit with almost any program.

UGHHHH dude you motherfuckers need to take a trip to /fit/ like I had these same arguments 2 fucking years ago to newfags on there. Strength training and hypertrophy are two different things. Compound 5x5 workouts will still cause hypertrophy, but not as much as isolated 3x10 or something like that. This is why you go to a gym and see guys who look like doughballs deadlifting 6 plates, and you see guys who look absolutely stacked doing machine workouts and weird dumbbell shit. Also olympian statues are insanely jacked alot of them had muscles that dont even exist on the human body. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28834797/