𝑬𝑵𝑫𝑰𝑵𝑮 𝑻𝑯𝑬 𝑴𝑶𝑹𝑨𝑳𝑰𝑻𝒀 𝑫𝑬𝑩𝑨𝑻𝑬 𝑰𝑵 𝑶𝑭𝑭𝑻𝑶𝑷𝑰𝑪

[Klasik616]

The whole idea of a morality is that is not relative because morals don't add anything to the subject: saying A is good or bad doesn't change A. Morality has to be a type of imperative, some sort of law but as humans have freedom we don't have to follow every law because we can deal with the consequences of ignoring morals, which sometimes ends up killing us.

For example abortion cannot be "good" in USA and "bad" in Kenya, the action must be moral or inmoral no matter what. The whole discussion about ethics ends up in a debate, the reason for this debate are human values. If we have values then we should treat every being as a subject of morality, otherwise we would not be moral (like animals). As for who creates the moral law, I would say it's "the agreement" between humans.

We have to study what type of being this agreement is that makes us to live together. My answer is that this agreement are feelings like empathy but empathy is not about "to feel" but respect the contract between both (me and the other) I treat the other as and end. If I choose to share my food with someone I don't do it so he shares something with me in return, it's free. This debunks the idea of that everything we do is to get something in return, we don't have to act this way but we can act this way.

So morality is about letting others do whatever they want with me? No Nietzsche, morality is about letting others know what my principles are and if they agree then we can work on something. As Adam Smith says morals start with the feeling of sympathy, this kind of feeling is necessary to not disrupt the other. For example why is not inmoral to fight each other? Is not inmoral when we agree on it, when we decide to have a boxing match in certain terms. So morality is not in actions itself? No, they don't lie on certain actions like sleeping, having sex or talking. So what do you think about the libertarian morality? Abortion is bad because we end the life of the other without asking his/her permission, not just because we kill.

@ey88 destroyed, @enchanted_elixir

 

[future slavic chad]

not a molecule

 

[ioimaxxer]

dnrd

PACK IT UP FOLKS MORALITY DEBATES OVER

 

[FaceandBBC]

Morals is cope.

 

[Klasik616]

Morals is cope.

So do you live alone sir
If you don't I'm sorry but you still have some morals.

 

[Toad]

There is no good or bad, there is only chaos. Entropy, the ignition that propels elements in all directions infinitely. As far as morality? It is a human construct rooted in empathy, or the ability to feel what others feel. When I see an alcoholic bum begging for change on the street I give him a dollar so that he can get his beer. Why? Because I myself have suffered the existential horror of alcoholism and it imbued me with compassion. This is the basis of morality. Treat others as you would want to be treated

 

[diditeverbegin]

Morality is subjective unless God exists imo

 

[Klasik616]

There is no good or bad, there is only chaos. Entropy, the ignition that propels elements in all directions infinitely. As far as morality? It is a human construct rooted in empathy, or the ability to feel what others feel. When I see an alcoholic bum begging for change on the street I give him a dollar so that he can get his beer. Why? Because I myself have suffered the existential horror of alcoholism and it imbued me with compassion. This is the basis of morality. Treat others as you would want to be treated

Nailed it, for example psychos or schizoids don't have morals because they don't have feelings. AI's are not moral because they work based on tasks, being moral is not a task because we have freedom enough to decide wether to agree on others or not. If I don't decide to help the other nothing happens, is not like I'm forced to it by some divine power. Nature is so wise because if I stop helping others, I will end up lonely for lack of sympathy. So I'm not forced to have sympathy.

 

[HighTierSubhuman]

No morals for your face

 

[Carbine]

dnrd tbh

 

[cromagnon]

Morality is subjective unless God exists imo

Exactly

How can this be debated

 

[Klasik616]

Exactly

How can this be debated

I never understood the relationship between God and morals. Can you explain this without going to check the bible @diditeverbegin

 

[Toad]

Morality is subjective unless God exists imo

God does exist

 

[diditeverbegin]

God does exist

Ik I believe in God

 

[oily703]

i remember i had a fucking philosophy test about this shit
it was fucking boring man i dont remember a thing

 

[Klasik616]

Ik I believe in God

I believe in spirits as well
I used to believe in dragons when I was a kid
I thought Santa was real

 

[cromagnon]

I never understood the relationship between God and morals. Can you explain this without going to check the bible @diditeverbegin

If god doesnt exist theres no objectively correct force telling whats right and whats wrong

Morality is a social construct

 

[Klasik616]

If god doesnt exist theres no objectively correct force telling whats right and whats wrong

Morality is a social construct

So you're saying that a human can talk with God to know wether something is good or bad? Do u want me to believe this.

Ofc morality is a social construct, it's based on emotions. You can't be moral without emotions, the word "good or bad" doesn't have a definition (it doesn't mean anything alone).

 

[Toad]

Nailed it, for example psychos or schizoids don't have morals because they don't have feelings. AI's are not moral because they work based on tasks, being moral is not a task because we have freedom enough to decide wether to agree on others or not. If I don't decide to help the other nothing happens, is not like I'm forced to it by some divine power. Nature is so wise because if I stop helping others, I will end up lonely for lack of sympathy. So I'm not forced to have sympathy.

The real question is; do you really have a choice to begin with?

 

[diditeverbegin]

I never understood the relationship between God and morals. Can you explain this without going to check the bible @diditeverbegin

Because an almighty God would have full control, right? Whatever he decreed would be right or wrong since he created everything and is an objectively superior being in full control. However, the existence of such can’t be proven scientifically which brings the debate of morality. My line of thinking is that humans don’t have the authority to rule on morality in that case.

 

[diditeverbegin]

I believe in spirits as well
I used to believe in dragons when I was a kid
I thought Santa was real

I was and still am being raised in a Christian household, although I’ve had my doubts, especially recently, I still am trying to cling to my faith.

 

[Toad]

If god doesnt exist theres no objectively correct force telling whats right and whats wrong

Morality is a social construct

Even if that were true, it wouldn't matter. If even one person is good, then good exists

 

[cromagnon]

So you're saying that a human can talk with God to know wether something is good or bad? Do u want me to believe this.

You can't which is why morality is subjective

 

[Klasik616]

The real question is; do you really have a choice to begin with?

Yes
If I don't have a choice is not my guilt if something "bad" occurs, as I've said before morality is based on a contract between humans once this contract is broken the action becomes inmoral.
If you are my friend but you lie to me it's inmoral.
I don't need God to understand morality.

 

[diditeverbegin]

I was and still am being raised in a Christian household, although I’ve had my doubts, especially recently, I still am trying to cling to my faith.

Why’d you jfl me @Klasik616

 

[diditeverbegin]

Why’d you jfl me @Klasik616

Nvm ig

 

[ey88]

This is a good video

 

[Toad]

Yes
If I don't have a choice is not my guilt if something "bad" occurs, as I've said before morality is based on a contract between humans once this contract is broken the action becomes inmoral.

Time is a flat circle that loops around infinitely. A snake eating it's own tail. This conversation we're having has happened before, and it'll happen again, infinitely. We're going to do this again and again forever. Knowing this, can you really say that you possess true volition?

 

[Klasik616]

This is a good video

bro had to use a philosophy video, read some Aristotle and Kant boyo.

Time is a flat circle that loops around infinitely. A snake eating it's own tail. This conversation we're having has happened before, and it'll happen again, infinitely. We're going to do this again and again forever. Knowing this, can you really say that you possess true volition?

I am volition, my entire body is a volition not just my thought. I see Stacy and I want to be near her because "Stacy" are my emotions telling me this girl is ideal. I am moved by my desires, my desires are my own. When other cockblocks me then he is going agaisnt my will. But my will is not moral itself, is when I agree with the cockblocker to let me pursue Stacy when we are moral. @HarrierDuBois

 

[Toad]

bro had to use a philosophy video

I am volition, my entire body is a volition not just my thought. I see Stacy and I want to be near her because "Stacy" are my emotions telling me this girl is ideal. I am moved by my desires, my desires are my own. When other cockblocks me then he is going agaisnt my will. But my will is not moral itself, is when I agree with the cockblocker to let me pursue Stacy when we are moral. @HarrierDuBois

But you already made the choice, it's already happened before. It's going to play out the same way again. Do you think you can change it this time?

 

[ey88]

bro had to use a philosophy video, read some Aristotle boyo.

I am volition, my entire body is a volition not just my thought. I see Stacy and I want to be near her because "Stacy" are my emotions telling me this girl is ideal. I am moved by my desires, my desires are my own. When other cockblocks me then he is going agaisnt my will. But my will is not moral itself, is when I agree with the cockblocker to let me pursue Stacy when we are moral. @HarrierDuBois

I was watching it after my thread, I didn’t base my ideas off of it, it just explains my ideas well

 

[Klasik616]

Yeah I choosed not to reply you directly this time @Toad. Next time I will choose any of the two, you'll never know. Is not like some ghost is controlling me to not choose this time to reply you directly.

 

[noobs]

For example abortion cannot be "good" in USA and "bad" in Kenya, the action must be moral or inmoral no matter what.

If more money is made by selling abortions in USA and no money in Kenya then abortion is good in USA and bad in kenya

 

[noobs]

morality is about letting others know what my principles are and if they agree then we can work on something. As Adam Smith says morals start with the feeling of sympathy, this kind of feeling is necessary to not disrupt the other

why do I necessarily need empathy

 

[Klasik616]

If more money is made by selling abortions in USA and no money in Kenya then abortion is good in USA and bad in kenya

Money is not a being, therefore is not a subject of morality (money can't be good or bad). Being a millionaire doesn't make you better than being poor or viceversa. It's how you use the money: if you use to money to make other people's life worse in purpose it's inmoral.

By worse I mean everything they don't agree on. As wageslavers we choose to let our boss manage the money as he wants, this makes it moral. If boss and his wageslavers didn't agree on the salary they receive, the situation becomes bad. Most of us choose to let the government use the money they stole from us (taxes) to build and share it to charity when in reality they take the money but we agree on it cus people have a good faith on the government, otherwise the government is bad.

 

[noobs]

Money is not a being, therefore is not a subject of morality (money can't be good or bad). Being a millionaire doesn't make you better than being poor or viceversa. It's how you use the money: if you use to money to make other people's life worse in purpose it's inmoral. By worse I mean everything they don't agree on. I think as wageslavers we choose to let our boss manage the money as he wants, this makes it moral. If boss and his wageslavers didn't agree on the salary they receive, the situation becomes bad. Most of us choose to let the government use the money they stole from us (taxes) to build and share it to charity (when in reality they take the money) but we agree on it cus people have a good faith.

Success is the purpose of all living and axis of all morality, money contributes to success

 

[Klasik616]

Success is the purpose of all living and axis of all morality, money contributes to success

For most people yea but
What about people who don't use money for success?
How many broke handsome men are slaying,
They didn't need money for that but they are having success on their "slayer" life.
Another thing: money can't buy friends.
Money can be good? yea but is not always good. Success is the main principle of happiness.

Morality is not about happiness though, Aristotle was wrong because happiness is an individual goal and morality is always a relationship between 2+ unless both share the same goals I don't see it.

 

[noobs]

For most people yea but
What about people who don't use money for success?
How many broke handsome men are slaying,
They didn't need money for that but they are having success on their "slayer" life.
Another thing: money can't buy friends.
Money can be good? yea but is not always good. Success is the main principle of happiness. Morality is not about happiness though, Aristotle was wrong.

The only motive for all things is success. Having kids doesn’t mean success, you can adopt. You have no reason for friends outside of success. I never said money always brung success. The reason you exist is for success. Your emotions only exist to serve success evolutionarily.

You’re wrong in thinking of empathy being important without bringing success with it. Success is most tied to power, and money is power. Success is increasing your descendants. Power puts you above others and since success is competitive you win with more power.

 

[Klasik616]

The only motive for all things is success. Having kids doesn’t mean success, you can adopt. You have no reason for friends outside of success. I never said money always brung success. The reason you exist is for success. Your emotions only exist to serve success evolutionarily.

You’re wrong in thinking of empathy being important without bringing success with it. Success is most tied to power, and money is power. Success is increasing your descendants. Power puts you above others and since success is competitive you win with more power.

I agree with you on this. I never said empathy was more important but success is an egoistic value and is not about morals. Sympathy is necessary for morals, morals are about emotions. Success is about willpower but I think it will be difficult to have success without the help of others. Happiness can be found in both ways but I think happiness that comes from individual goals don't last long. Success can also include others tho like opening a gym and helping people to reach their goals.

 

[noobs]

I agree with you on this. I never said empathy was more important but success is an egoistic value and is not about morals. Sympathy is necessary for morals, morals are about emotions. Success is about willpower but I think it will be difficult to have success without the help of others.

The definition of Morals/Ethics in philosophy is the study of good and bad. What is made good or bad is success

 

[Toad]

Yeah I choosed not to reply you directly this time @Toad. Next time I will choose any of the two, you'll never know. Is not like some ghost is controlling me to not choose this time to reply you directly.

Whatever you chose already happened before. This is all predetermined. You'll understand soon enough

 

[Klasik616]

The definition of Morals/Ethics in philosophy is the study of good and bad. What is made good or bad is success

That's how utilitarians view ethics but I think it's a very simplified way of determining what's right or wrong.

Whatever you chose already happened before. This is all predetermined. You'll understand soon enough

You can't prove it. You can't prove destiny.