ERADICATING PIP

Sadist · May 15, 2026

For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.

However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.

There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

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I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.

Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).

Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.

So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).

And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.

Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.

The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;

- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.

The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.

Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.

If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.

Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.

Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@Jonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Means @Zagro

Lyndon · May 15, 2026

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Orion · May 15, 2026

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Lemur · May 15, 2026

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Menas · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.
However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.
There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.
Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well; the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others; the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain; the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself; the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths; the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle; the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days; the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:
(∝ - proportional; ∝ - inversely proportional)

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ Oil density ∝ Pain
‣ Ester length ∝ Pain
‣ Concentration ∝ Pain
‣ Needle gauge ∝ Pain
‣ Needle length ∝ Pain
‣ Muscle size ∝ Pain
‣ Injection speed ∝ Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ Engagement amount of injected muscle ∝ Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).
Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.
So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).
And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.
Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.
The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;
- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.
The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.
Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.
If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.
Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.
Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@SlayerJonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Menas @Zagro

Thug it out nigga

Nodal · May 15, 2026

holy shit this looks super good

edit: changed my mind

really useful thread tho

bratex2213 · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.
However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.
There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.
Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well; the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others; the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain; the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself; the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths; the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle; the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days; the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:
(∝ - proportional; ∝ - inversely proportional)

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ Oil density ∝ Pain
‣ Ester length ∝ Pain
‣ Concentration ∝ Pain
‣ Needle gauge ∝ Pain
‣ Needle length ∝ Pain
‣ Muscle size ∝ Pain
‣ Injection speed ∝ Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ Engagement amount of injected muscle ∝ Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).
Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.
So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).
And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.
Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.
The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;
- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.
The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.
Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.
If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.
Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.
Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@SlayerJonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Menas @Zagro

very nice will read once my roids ship!!

Lemur · May 15, 2026

oh my god nigga- you use hydrocortisone for everything atp

mohito · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
To summarize:
(∝ - proportional; ∝ - inversely proportional)

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ Oil density ∝ Pain
‣ Ester length ∝ Pain
‣ Concentration ∝ Pain
‣ Needle gauge ∝ Pain
‣ Needle length ∝ Pain
‣ Muscle size ∝ Pain
‣ Injection speed ∝ Pain
‣ Engagement amount of injected muscle ∝ Pain

This part was so fun to read

Sadist · May 15, 2026

mohito said:
This part was so fun to read

lemme change it rq tbh

Sadist · May 15, 2026

teddy101 said:
holy shit this looks super good

edit: changed my mind

why

teddy101 said:
really useful thread tho

thanks!

Seven · May 15, 2026

mirin good thread

sherry12 · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.
However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.
There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.
Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).
Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.
So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).
And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.
Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.
The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;
- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.
The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.
Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.
If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.
Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.
Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@Jonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Means @Zagro

to summarize dont use a pipe and dont buy from wwb

Nodal · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
why

well the super cool looksmax.org picture made my expectation super high the colors looked good but could use more pics als owould help with the cluster of text ppl seeing that would think its longers than it is you were doing good at first in by separating it ever 4-5 lines

basically great formatting my expectations are high also get ts pinned brother

Mighty · May 15, 2026

step 1: Don't buy some ugl shit

Sadist · May 15, 2026

teddy101 said:
well the super cool looksmax.org picture made my expectation super high the colors looked good but could use more pics als owould help with the cluster of text ppl seeing that would think its longers than it is you were doing good at first in by separating it ever 4-5 lines

basically great formatting my expectations are high also get ts pinned brother

theres only like one cluster of text that i now also broke down into lines

also i meant to post this as an article so theres more space but forgot to do so

preciate the feedback tho g

Nodal · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
theres only like one cluster of text that i now also broke down into lines

also i meant to post this as an article so theres more space but forgot to do so

preciate the feedback tho g

wow your thread floped tho its good

why not ask for pin

idont · May 15, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.
However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.
There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.
Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).
Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.
So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).
And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.
Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.
The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;
- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.
The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.
Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.
If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.
Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.
Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@Jonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Means @Zagro

favourite roidcel slavic

er oat

good thread i will read when i will read

Sadist · May 15, 2026

teddy101 said:
wow your thread floped tho its good
why not ask for pin

its bc i wasnt bumping it and it was posted at like peak slop flow time

patience, my friend

ogger · May 15, 2026

i once saw someone on tiktok who used lidocaine before every injection (even suq)

Sadist · May 15, 2026

ogger said:
i once saw someone on tiktok who used lidocaine before every injection (even suq)

i remember one time i had that thought cross my mind for a split second, and i quickly proceeded to start absolutely caging at it

Sadist · May 15, 2026

Mighty said:
step 1: Don't buy some ugl shit

thats fine with me boss let me just bang out some e2 pills to fraud my way to a script

Sadist · May 15, 2026

Seven said:
mirin good thread

thankyou bhai

theübermenschboy · May 15, 2026

Mirin thread

Sadist · May 15, 2026

theübermenschboy said:
Mirin thread

preciate it brotha

Sadist · May 15, 2026

lemureater said:
oh my god nigga- you use hydrocortisone for everything atp

its a must in every household!

Sadist · May 15, 2026

@Pony @Sayori @Gengar’s Ghost cheeky pin?

Sadist · May 16, 2026

Menas said:
Thug it out nigga

maneee

pin first then speak

@Orka can vouch about the importance of this shiet

Orka · May 16, 2026

Sadist said:
maneee

pin first then speak

@Orka can vouch about the importance of this shiet

I was crippled

Can't thug shit out when you're limping to the grocery store

Orka · May 16, 2026

Menas said:
Thug it out nigga

PIN SOMETHING

@Sadist pin him 200mg/ml propionate using a 19g needle

then tell him to thug it out

Sadist · May 16, 2026

Orka said:
PIN SOMETHING

@Sadist pin him 200mg/ml propionate using a 19g needle

then tell him to thug it out

too late bro he just dipped

dw tho i slid him 40 lasix and 25 hctz so that niggas gonna fucking piss himself on the flight

buccalfatremoval · May 16, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.

However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.

There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.

Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).

Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.

So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).

And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.

Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.

The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;

- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.

The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.

Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.

If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.

Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.

Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@Jonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Means @Zagro

Amazing read botb worthy, I personally find daily injections with slin needles to be the best

Sadist · May 16, 2026

Sadist said:
too late bro he just dipped

dw tho i slid him 40 lasix and 25 hctz so that niggas gonna fucking piss himself on the flight

ye ngl @Orka i may have overdone this shit ever so slightly

sebastzero · May 16, 2026

dhb lands in a few days gonna this

RoadtoCurryChad · May 16, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.

However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.

There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.

Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).

Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.

So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).

And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.

Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.

The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;

- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.

The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.

Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.

If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.

Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.

Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@Jonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Means @Zagro

good shit brah, gonna use this info for my upcoming cycle.

bluebandz · May 17, 2026

what a thread bro mirin

Sadist · May 17, 2026

sebastzero said:
dhb lands in a few days gonna this

Lemur · May 20, 2026

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.

However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.

There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.

Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).

Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.

So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).

And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.

Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.

The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;

- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.

The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

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Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.

Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.

If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.

Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.

Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
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le bump bcs formatting is so hot

Sadist · May 20, 2026

Lemur said:
le bump bcs formatting is so hot

lookism at its best

except in this case, the thread itself mogs as well

ghost! · Saturday at 8:40 PM

needs more attention this is mad helpful

for VG if u arent a fat fuck 1in 25 gauge works fine im pretty sure

and what r ur thoughts on taking like a hot shower b4 pinning

itll warm the vials up from the steam and it may make pinning easier

Sadist · Saturday at 9:43 PM

thats what im sayingg!

ghost! said:
and what r ur thoughts on taking like a hot shower b4 pinning

good

Histy · Tuesday at 7:45 PM

Sadist said:
For the best reading experience, I highly recommend using the dark theme.

Eradicating Post-Injection Pain
By Sadist

Disclaimer:
By no means is this medical advice. I am not attempting to encourage usage of AAS or any other compounds. This content is intended for educational purposes only. For more information, refer to your practitioner, or any other appropriately qualified person.

Thread Song:

Preface:

I decided to make this thread after I myself have fallen victim to the brutality of post-injection pain an innumerable amount of times. The amount of oils I was pinning only kept increasing, so it was so difficult to keep up with the sheer suffering that I would have to deal with after each injection, that I was quite close to simply cycling off, and never touching AAS again.

However, instead of doing that - I decided to get my shit together and actually research the best ways to prevent this absolutely bullshit phenomena. And unsurprisingly, now I can easily inject 3cc into my quad at once and forget I'd even done it in the following days.

There is absolutely no reason to not follow these steps. They are incredibly easy, barely consume any time, and save you a LOT of suffering and walking around looking like you just got fucked in the ass.

Table of Contents:

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

II
Types of Injectables

III
Selecting the Right Needles

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques (pre/mid/post)

V
Conclusion

So without further ado, let's get rid of this bullshit once and for all.

View attachment 5064291

I
What is PIP and Why Does It Occur?

Post-injection pain, or PIP, is a phenomena that can occur from a multitude of different factors, commonly from more than one at a time.

Such factors include the carrier oils, as some are denser than the others, with other minor factors present as well;
the compound used, as some cause more PIP than others;
the steroid ester, as shorter esters tend to be more painful; the compound concentration, as higher concentration leads to more pain;
the needle gauge & length, which affects injection depth and damage done to the muscle from the injection itself;
the muscle that's being injected into, as all muscles vary in surface area & thickness, so some can intake more oil, and at higher depths;
the injection speed, which affects pressure, at which the oil enters the muscle;
the aftercare, as lack thereof will obviously greatly increase the chance/severity of PIP in the following days;
the engagement of the muscle post-injection, as inactivity of the injected muscle leads to an insanely bad worsening of PIP.

To summarize:

‣ Different compounds = different levels of PIP
‣ ↑Oil density - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Ester length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Concentration - ↑Pain
‣ ↑Needle gauge - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Needle length - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Muscle size - ↓Pain
‣ ↑Injection speed - ↑Pain
‣ Aftercare is very important
‣ ↑Engagement amount of injected muscle - ↓Pain

II
Types of Injectables

Obviously, the compound selection matters a lot. However, that's not something that can usually just be switched around, as every compound has a different time and place for its use (although more than half of them shouldn't be touched anyways).

Things like DHB or Test Suspension hurt way more than things like Test E or EQ. But as I said, JFL at switching out compounds just because of muh PIP. That's why you're reading this thread, after all.

The concentration of the compound matters a lot as well, as higher concentration compounds tend to give muscles a harder time absorbing said compound, as there's more of said compound to absorb per a smaller surface area.

So ideally, you'd want to pick a slightly-less concentrated compound, and simply increase the injection frequency.
For example, if you want to run 1000mg of Test E a week - instead of using a 300mg/ml oil @ ~1.67cc twice a week, you would use a 250mg/ml oil @ ~1.35cc e3d.

The carrier oil itself also matters, as they all vary in density/viscosity. Oils like Castor or CS are very thick (about 0.960mg/ml & 0.920mg/ml respectively), whilst ones like MCT or EO are pretty thin (about 0.880mg/ml & 0.912mg/ml respectively).

And of course, the thicker the oil is, the more pressure it would require to be able to be pushed through, thereby causing more damage to the muscle in the process, as well as being harder for the body to absorb.

III
Selecting the Right Needles

Intramuscular injections need to be deep. They start at 1", but can go even deeper. The deeper you inject, the better it is for the compound's absorption. However, of course, there's obviously a depth limit.

Needle gauge (thickness/diameter) obviously matters as well. The lower the gauge (the thicker the needle), the more damage to the muscle it will deal, therefore causing a lot more pain both during the injection - and after it's done.

The ideal combination for oil-based compounds is the following:

- Luer lock syringes (ranging from 1ml to 3ml, depending on the volume of oil you intend to inject), to ensure the needle doesn't pop off due to pressure;

- Drawing needles of around 22g, so the drawing process is fast and convenient;
- Injection needles of around 27g and 1-1.5" length, as the needle is both thick enough for oils and thin enough to minimize the damage to your muscles upon injection, whilst being long enough to reach deep into your muscle.

This will ensure both sufficient depth, ease of drawing AND relatively painless injections with relatively minimal post-injection pain from this aspect.

IV
Peri-Injection Techniques

Pre-Injection

It's best to inject as early in the day as possible. More on why that is later down the thread.

First and foremost, pick the right muscle.
Subcutaneous injections are okay but I, alongside a lot of other users, prefer intramuscular due to a multitude of factors, such as the volume of oil used, as subq injections generally can only hold up to 1cc, and even then - the lipohypertrophy after said 1cc of oil is pretty fucking brutal; PIP itself is way harder to manage; it tends to be more painful; takes longer to recover - and, personally, I reserve that space for my peptides instead.

The best muscles to inject into are the Ventro-Glutes and the Quadriceps, as they are pretty painless, can uptake pretty high volumes of oil (about 2-2.5ml & 3ml respectively), you can inject quite deep (about 2" & 1.5" respectively) and are quite large muscles, so they can be injected multiple times in different spots (about 2" apart from each other), rather than having to resort to switching to a new muscle. Deltoids are okay, but I only use them as a last resort nowadays, if I have absolutely no space on my ventros and quads. They are inferior to the former two, as they can only intake about 1ml of oil, the injection depth is a bit more shallow (I wouldn't go above 1") and the area is quite vascular (unlike said former two), which increases the risk of you nicking a vein.

View attachment 5064416
Quadricep, inject in the sector labelled as "2"

View attachment 5064420
Glute, inject in the sector above the "1" label

View attachment 5064418
Deltoid, inject in the center of the highlighted sector

It is also pretty beneficial to inject right before training, and do so into the muscle that you will train. More on why that is later down the thread.

Before the injection, it very good to to warm up the vial, so that the oil gets thinner. This will both make drawing easier and reduce the pressure required to inject.

Fill a bowl with warm water to a level, which you can submerge about half of your vial in. Submerge said vial and keep in there for like 5 minutes. Make sure the water doesn't get on top of the vial to avoid any contamination. After 5 minutes have passed, dry the vial with a towel, wipe the top with rubbing alcohol - and draw the desired amount of oil.

If you can't be fucked to do that, you also can just rub your hands together for a little bit, then hold the vial in your palm for a few minutes.

You can optionally apply a warm compress to the injection site, which will also help reduce PIP.

The Injection

Obviously, pick a site that you haven't injected into recently.

Wipe the site with rubbing alcohol, then wave your hand above the site for a bit to dry the alcohol, so that it doesn't burn upon penetration.

Use two fingers to firmly stretch the skin of the injection site, so that it penetrates easier, and keep it stretched whilst injecting.

Insert the needle into the site at 90 degrees (perpendicular to the site). Insert it steadily and at a "medium speed" (neither too fast nor too slow) all the way in (given you're either doing your ventros or quads). You can even press the syringe itself in a tiny bit further to add a bit of extra depth (don't overdo).

You can aspire to ensure you haven't nicked a vein (very unlikely with ventros or quads, but may still be worth doing). If you see any blood coming into the syringe - instantly pull it out and use a different site.

Push the oil in slowly. Depending on the volume you're injecting, the time it should take you to inject should range from two to five minutes (or so), unless you're doing tiny amounts (which still should be injected very slowly).
Make sure you don't wobble the syringe during the process.

After you've injected all of the oil, pull the syringe out swiftly to ensure you minimize the muscle damage upon extraction.

Keep the site stretched with your fingers for another 10 (or so) seconds after the syringe has already been removed - this helps a decent bit as well.

Wipe the site again with rubbing alcohol.

Immediately Post-Injection

Massage the exact point you've injected into with either your thumb, the bottom of your palm - or your knuckles for 2-5 minutes.

You can optionally apply a cold compress for 5-10 minutes afterwards as well, which should also help reduce PIP.

Hours/days post-injection

A massage gun is very useful for this. Starting from about 30 minutes after the injection, use it on its lowest frequency to massage the muscle AROUND the injection site, avoid hitting the site itself. You can do this a few times per day.

Occasionally massage the site itself the same way you would immediately after injecting.

Before going to bed, apply a heat patch over the site for about 30 minutes. You can also secure it with a bandage or some medical tape, so that it stays on firmly and ensures equal heat distribution over the area.

It is very important that you keep the muscle active for at least half a day after injecting, or at least to not keep it completely immobile. I remember injecting a lot of oil into my quad and being totally fine for an hour or so, then setting out to uni to do some work in the library, walking towards which was also seamless. However, after working there for about 6 hours straight whilst remaining sat down throughout the entire process, I tried getting up and could barely straighten my leg out of the sheer pain that I felt.

Not keeping the msucle mobile makes oil dispersion pretty stagnant, greatly contributing to PIP.

Dealing With Any Remaining PIP

If a sufficient amount of pain does come around, apply some hydrocortisone to the site and take 1-2 units of a basic painkiller, such as paracetamol or ibuprofen.

Another old bodybuilder remedy for dealing with PIP if it does happen to occur is, although it sounds quite ridiculous, is cabbage leaves. Essentially, you remove one leaf from the head and apply it directly to the site, securing it firmly with a bandage. Replace the leaf with a fresh one every 30 minutes or so; do this for a few hours. Cabbage has some pretty fucking strong anti-inflammatory properties, so it's been used to deal with PIP by bodybuilders for a very long time now, although for some reason, I have yet to come across anybody talk about it on this forum.

V
Conclusion

Overall, although may seem complicated at first - all these steps are extremely easy to follow perfectly and to remember to do so in time. It is an enormous quality of life improvement for any enhanced bodybuilder and should be done by everyone, no matter the volume one injects (again, unless it's some shit like 0.1cc). The only expensive part of this thread is the massage gun, but although it helps - you will also survive even without it if you cannot afford one, given you follow all the steps correctly (but also I assume you can find some quite cheap ones online).

Thank you very much for reading this thread and I hope you can make as much use out of it as possible, you absolute sick motherfuckers.

Tags:
@Jonas @Orka @AverageTevvezFan @Means @Zagro

Wow , amazing thread

Tag me whenever you post a guide fr :BongocatLove:

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