(Esoteric-cels GTFIH) Ideas vs Vibes - What's closer to base reality

[Deleted member 137296]

Vibes = emotions, frequencies and vibrations
Ideas = language, abstract concepts and ideologies

and explain yourself below

 

[segmt]

@Thief Thanks for the ss

 

[Deleted member 137296]

@Thief Thanks for the ss

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?

atleast vote in the poll

 

[Deleted member 137296]

@Thief Thanks for the ss

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wait how is this even related

i feel (vibes reference) like you guys are misinterpreting what i said

 

[segmt]

wait how is this even related

i feel (vibes reference) like you guys are misinterpreting what i said

it's not

 

[segmt]

org is lagging now

 

[esoterik]

dont compare them, they work together, vibes is your empirical evidence and observation, ideas are a baseline to follow objectivity

 

[VV62]

Base reality or the source of everything is vibration frequencies, emotions, resonance.
Ideas are interpretations, maps laid over the raw signal.
Vibes are the carrier wave, ideas the modulation riding it.
Vibes = source. Ideas = translation.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

it's not

elab

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Base reality or the source of everything is vibration frequencies, emotions, resonance.
Ideas are interpretations, maps laid over the raw signal.
Vibes are the carrier wave, ideas the modulation riding it.
Vibes = source. Ideas = translation.

so there's no distinction between ideas and vibes? ideas just being a subset of vibes / source

 

[Deleted member 137296]

@segmt elab you retarded foid

 

[VV62]

so there's no distinction between ideas and vibes? ideas just being a subset of vibes / source

Yes everything is built on vibration

 

[segmt]

elab

its not related to your post I just wanted to post the ss

 

[segmt]

@segmt elab you retarded foid

why is this infuriating to you jfl

 

[Deleted member 137296]

why is this infuriating to you jfl

1. Derailed my thread in the first reply
2. Didn't even fucking vote
3. Failed to elaborate on your original intentions like a retarded foid (muh mmmuuh metaphor look at muh mysterious metaphor)

 

[crazyguy]

Vibes = emotions, frequencies and vibrations
Ideas = language, abstract concepts and ideologies

and explain yourself below

vibes and its not even close
ideas are based on the physical world and what you can see for itself, vibes are based on the stuff outside the box. there are lots of things happening in the background, things you can feel but cant see

 

[Deleted member 137296]

vibes and its not even close
ideas are based on the physical world and what you can see for itself, vibes are based on the stuff outside the box. there are lots of things happening in the background, things you can feel but cant see

interesting, i think it's the exact opposite

vibes represent the material / physical world and ideas (ie high culture, music, art, science etc) are derived from the meta-physical (heavens)

 

[segmt]

1. Derailed my thread in the first reply
2. Didn't even fucking vote
3. Failed to elaborate on your original intentions like a retarded foid (muh mmmuuh metaphor look at muh mysterious metaphor)

1. sorry for that bud
2. ill vote now.
3. "failed" I wasn't active on the forum, there was no metaphor at all JFL I said "it's not" because it wasn't related to your thread when you asked if it was related

Please tone down your prolactin or estrogen levels. You got ragebaited too easily.

vibes and its not even close
ideas are based on the physical world and what you can see for itself, vibes are based on the stuff outside the box. there are lots of things happening in the background, things you can feel but cant see

No, we can see by the outlash that @neurosis had from the ss I posted. It's obscuring his reality.

JFL I'll be serious now

seriously though, I'd say both are equally as far apart from base reality. Assuming "base reality" is the reality outside of your perception? I don't really know how you defined it. Vibes/emotions are related to your perception of reality, and it kind of influences your perception too. The vibes/emotions you feel will be different based on your psychological profile (or genetic makeup) and it's kind of attached to you, not reality. Similar to ideas, but I guess you could say ideas are closer to base reality? Since the same ideas can be shared without emotions for discussion, as in it's not literally "attached" to you and your perception of reality/your psychological makeup.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

seriously though, I'd say both are equally as far apart from base reality. Assuming "base reality" is the reality outside of your perception? I don't really know how you defined it. Vibes/emotions are related to your perception of reality, and it kind of influences your perception too. The vibes/emotions you feel will be different based on your psychological profile (or genetic makeup) and it's kind of attached to you, not reality. Similar to ideas, but I guess you could say ideas are closer to base reality? Since the same ideas can be shared without emotions for discussion, as in it's not literally "attached" to you and your perception of reality/your psychological makeup.

is this bait?

genuinely can't believe you got my cortisol spiked over an answer like this

 

[segmt]

is this bait?

genuinely can't believe you got my cortisol spiked over an answer like this

yes, I don't believe in the vibrations bullshit though

I can't tell if you're genuinely mad lmao
Is your cortisol really spiked over some posts on offtopic?

 

[Deleted member 137296]

yes, I don't believe in the vibrations bullshit though

I can't tell if you're genuinely mad lmao
Is your cortisol really spiked over some posts on offtopic?

wait nvm lol, you're unironically retarded

dont care about your opinions on anything anymore, cortisol has been restored to baseline

 

[hax]

esoteric? prob...

 

[crazyguy]

interesting, i think it's the exact opposite

vibes represent the material / physical world and ideas (ie high culture, music, art, science etc) are derived from the meta-physical (heavens)

1. sorry for that bud
2. ill vote now.
3. "failed" I wasn't active on the forum, there was no metaphor at all JFL I said "it's not" because it wasn't related to your thread when you asked if it was related

Please tone down your prolactin or estrogen levels. You got ragebaited too easily.


No, we can see by the outlash that @neurosis had from the ss I posted. It's obscuring his reality.

JFL I'll be serious now

seriously though, I'd say both are equally as far apart from base reality. Assuming "base reality" is the reality outside of your perception? I don't really know how you defined it. Vibes/emotions are related to your perception of reality, and it kind of influences your perception too. The vibes/emotions you feel will be different based on your psychological profile (or genetic makeup) and it's kind of attached to you, not reality. Similar to ideas, but I guess you could say ideas are closer to base reality? Since the same ideas can be shared without emotions for discussion, as in it's not literally "attached" to you and your perception of reality/your psychological makeup.

i somehow misread it and i thought that it was the opposite, but since its an interesting discussion i'll still give my take on it
yeah its very complicated.
what i think is:
the base reality is the world which you can directly interact with by using your 5 senses. it includes your thoughts and emotions but base reality and vibes are kinda connected, so there are times when you do something in the physical world that will affect the spiritual world and vice versa. ideas are the closest to the physical world because theyre completely connected to what you think/your mind, while vibes are sometimes independent.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

@Ultimate Subhuman™ only user who voted ideas

explain your answer to the class

 

[Thief]

@Ultimate Subhuman™ only user who voted ideas

explain your answer to the class

I was going to vote ideas but I saw you did too so I decided against it at the time

 

[Deleted member 137296]

@laaltin @autistic_tendencies

 

[Deleted member 137296]

I was going to vote ideas but I saw you did too so I decided against it at the time

My entire comprehension of ontological reality changed in those 10 mins

 

[segmt]

wait nvm lol, you're unironically retarded

dont care about your opinions on anything anymore, cortisol has been restored to baseline

elab? you're doing the same thing that you said infuriated you.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

elab? you're doing the same thing that you said infuriated you.

its called being sincere bud, not like id expect you to understand

also stop shitting up this thread with your dogshit takes

dont care about your opinions on anything anymore

 

[crazyguy]

i somehow misread it and i thought that it was the opposite, but since its an interesting discussion i'll still give my take on it
yeah its very complicated.
what i think is:
the base reality is the world which you can directly interact with by using your 5 senses. it includes your thoughts and emotions but base reality and vibes are kinda connected, so there are times when you do something in the physical world that will affect the spiritual world and vice versa. ideas are the closest to the physical world because theyre completely connected to what you think/your mind, while vibes are sometimes independent.

people might think that thoughts and emotions arent connected to reality because you cant really see or interact with them, but theyre connected to you, to your brain specifically. theyre usually influenced by your direct environment.
for example, if you get punched, you'll likely be mad. you cant tell me that its not whats happening in the base reality.

 

[segmt]

its called being sincere bud, not like id expect you to understand

also stop shitting up this thread with your dogshit takes

lol, I just asked you to explain what you meant, and you still resorted to personal attacks and called my "takes" dogshit without any reasoning, refute it or discuss? I derailed your thread and you're now derailing my takes? lol, you're doing the same thing I did

 

[segmt]

people might think that thoughts and emotions arent connected to reality because you cant really see or interact with them, but theyre connected to you, to your brain specifically. theyre usually influenced by your direct environment.
for example, if you get punched, you'll likely be mad. you cant tell me that its not whats happening in the base reality.

Yes, but how you respond to it is also influenced by you. They are connected to reality but I'm saying that emotions come as a response to the environment from you.

A clear discussion on this would need some definitions, like what do we say is the spiritual world? and what do we exactly mean by frequencies/vibrations that is not mysticism?

 

[Deleted member 137296]

lol, I just asked you to explain what you meant, and you still resorted to personal attacks and called my "takes" dogshit without any reasoning, refute it or discuss? I derailed your thread and you're now derailing my takes? lol, you're doing the same thing I did

I don't believe in the vibrations bullshit though

analogous to spending your time trying to convince a creationist that earth might be older than a few thousand years old

i guess you kinda get it or dont (this is a metaphor btw)

 

[segmt]

analogous to spending your time trying to convince a creationist that earth might be older than a few thousand years old

i guess you kinda get it or dont (this is a metaphor btw)

Convince? You didn't present a single argument, I didn't present one either. How can you conclude that it's analogous to that from one sentence?

that was supposed to be a joke though. I'm sorry if it made you mad, that wasn't my intention, I didn't expect you to react like this

 

[Deleted member 137296]

i somehow misread it and i thought that it was the opposite, but since its an interesting discussion i'll still give my take on it
yeah its very complicated.
what i think is:
the base reality is the world which you can directly interact with by using your 5 senses. it includes your thoughts and emotions but base reality and vibes are kinda connected, so there are times when you do something in the physical world that will affect the spiritual world and vice versa. ideas are the closest to the physical world because theyre completely connected to what you think/your mind, while vibes are sometimes independent.

are you matter over mind then? (vice versa being, mind over matter)

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Frequencies, vibrations, language, and ideas come from collective subconscious impulses. Emotions and language is the end result of said things.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Convince? You didn't present a single argument, I didn't present one either. How can you conclude that it's analogous to that from one sentence?

i guess you kinda get it or dont (this is a metaphor btw)

Spoiler

you dont get it btw. its more of a vibe (metaphor), can't really be rationalised and articulated through ideas

 

[crazyguy]

Yes, but how you respond to it is also influenced by you. They are connected to reality but I'm saying that emotions come as a response to the environment from you.

A clear discussion on this would need some definitions, like what do we say is the spiritual world? and what do we exactly mean by frequencies/vibrations that is not mysticism?

some people have different responses to emotions so i agree with you on that

for the definitions, everything i say will seem like mysticism to you because its of course still a belief

i'll however still explain it to you
the spiritual world is the world that you cant see with your eyes, its whats happening behind the curtains while youre going on about your life. its where the forces that influence your life are.
your thoughts shape your feelings and together they create the “vibration” you're in. this vibration can be positive or negative, and it naturally brings in experiences, people, and situations that match it. in other words, your thoughts and emotions directly influences the physical world and what you attract into your life

 

[crazyguy]

are you matter over mind then? (vice versa being, mind over matter)

id choose mind because thats connected to the spiritual world. i believe in souls and other similar stuff that are independent of the physical world.

 

[ProBono]

Not really deep into esoteric shit but I'd kill myself before shilling "vibrations" to a public audience so I'm going to have to go with ideas, because humans are so innately shaped by their environment that our minds are completely immersed in ideas. We are removed from vibes utterly because we recontextualise all of our experiences using ingrained ideas.

 

[IraniancelV2]

Useless thread.

 

[segmt]

Spoiler

you dont get it btw. its more of a vibe (metaphor), can't really be rationalised and articulated through ideas

No, you can still provide examples. Like @crazyguy his explanation on the "spiritual world." Like Plato's theory of souls. You have a theory? I can kind of grasp what you mean, it's talked about but I consider it as a bit of mysticism, now that doesn't mean you can't have a productive discussion about it.

its of course still a belief

Yeah. But you can still explain why you choose this belief over the other. Like what makes this more likely to exist.

 

[crazyguy]

Yeah. But you can still explain why you choose this belief over the other. Like what makes this more likely to exist.

i unfortunately cant elaborate on that for certain reasons
however, i want to know your take on this. what do you believe in?

 

[Deleted member 137296]

No, you can still provide examples. Like @

@crazyguy his explanation on the "spiritual world." Like Plato's theory of souls. You have a theory? I can kind of grasp what you mean, it's talked about but I consider it as a bit of mysticism, now that doesn't mean you can't have a productive discussion about it.

as @crazyguy also said, it'll come across as mysticism / leap of faith to you though as it's mostly intuitive - ie very hard to explain and articulate the idea through this lens of communication (language)

the theory can (at best) be described in op as:

Vibes = emotions, frequencies and vibrations
Ideas = language, abstract concepts and ideologies

but its also not really referring to the material world (genes / psychological profile) as you started describing here

seriously though, I'd say both are equally as far apart from base reality. Assuming "base reality" is the reality outside of your perception? I don't really know how you defined it. Vibes/emotions are related to your perception of reality, and it kind of influences your perception too. The vibes/emotions you feel will be different based on your psychological profile (or genetic makeup) and it's kind of attached to you, not reality. Similar to ideas, but I guess you could say ideas are closer to base reality? Since the same ideas can be shared without emotions for discussion, as in it's not literally "attached" to you and your perception of reality/your psychological makeup.

hence my (purposefully ironic) creationist analogy

 

[segmt]

i unfortunately cant elaborate on that for certain reasons
however, i want to know your take on this. what do you believe in?

Well, I wouldn't say it's impossible to have what you describe (the spiritual world). I accept the possibility of it existing, because we don't have the ability to know if a piece of knowledge is a definite truth. Like, if we completely rely on empirical evidence, then we would naturally lean a lot towards rejecting the idea of a spiritual realm.

It depends on how you define knowledge. If you define knowledge pragmatically, then it's based on the practical applications of knowledge. If it's based on constructivism, it's based on people agreeing on ideas with shared reasoning. We have theories and definitions of knowing that a piece of knowledge is true, like the example about empirical evidence that I described, about knowledge corresponding to objective reality (as in the reality that we perceive through our 5 senses)

My personal belief I'd say lies in pragmatism and reliabilism (like the knowledge we accept through defined logic or the scientific method) because it's mostly what's useful and what's applicable to my everyday life. I don't completely deny the existence of a spiritual realm, but I believe that if there's no reliable way to justify an idea, then we can't accept it as knowledge. But again that gets into what we can consider as reliable or not. So, some naturalistic explanations like physics or psychology explain things without the need of a spiritual realm. That doesn't mean there's things we can't explain that can be explained by a spiritual realm, but through the frameworks of knowledge I trust in, those explanations are likely not valid. I can't put it into one sentence right now lol, but I guess you can vaguely say that I think a spiritual realm is less likely because there's no reliable way to justify it in my view.

 

[registerfasterusing]

Vibes = emotions, frequencies and vibrations
Ideas = language, abstract concepts and ideologies

and explain yourself below

I think ideas emerge in response to a lack of intrinsically valuable ‘vibrations/frequencies’ as a mediator between subject and object, so I voted for Ideas

 

[segmt]

as @crazyguy also said, it'll come across as mysticism / leap of faith to you though as it's mostly intuitive - ie very hard to explain and articulate the idea through this lens of communication (language)

the theory can (at best) be described in op as:


but its also not really referring to the material world (genes / psychological profile) as you started describing here

hence my (purposefully ironic) creationist analogy

So, what makes this metaphysically significant to us? Can the phenomena affected by this theory be explained by naturalist concepts like modern science, or does this theory that you describe offer extra explanations to things we can't explain with the naturalist tools we have now?

And is it impossible to describe it then in an epistemically reliable way?

 

[crazyguy]

Well, I wouldn't say it's impossible to have what you describe (the spiritual world). I accept the possibility of it existing, because we don't have the ability to know if a piece of knowledge is a definite truth. Like, if we completely rely on empirical evidence, then we would naturally lean a lot towards rejecting the idea of a spiritual realm.

It depends on how you define knowledge. If you define knowledge pragmatically, then it's based on the practical applications of knowledge. If it's based on constructivism, it's based on people agreeing on ideas with shared reasoning. We have theories and definitions of knowing that a piece of knowledge is true, like the example about empirical evidence that I described, about knowledge corresponding to objective reality (as in the reality that we perceive through our 5 senses)

My personal belief I'd say lies in pragmatism and reliabilism (like the knowledge we accept through defined logic or the scientific method) because it's mostly what's useful and what's applicable to my everyday life. I don't completely deny the existence of a spiritual realm, but I believe that if there's no reliable way to justify an idea, then we can't accept it as knowledge. But again that gets into what we can consider as reliable or not. So, some naturalistic explanations like physics or psychology explain things without the need of a spiritual realm. That doesn't mean there's things we can't explain that can be explained by a spiritual realm, but through the frameworks of knowledge I trust in, those explanations are likely not valid. I can't put it into one sentence right now lol, but I guess you can vaguely say that I think a spiritual realm is less likely because there's no reliable way to justify it in my view.

i understand your pov, it wouldnt make sense to the normal person who believes in scientific proof if you told them that theres a spiritual world
there has to be some sort of event that happened to you before you'll be able to believe it

 

[segmt]

i understand your pov, it wouldnt make sense to the normal person who believes in scientific proof if you told them that theres a spiritual world
there has to be some sort of event that happened to you before you'll be able to believe it

Not that I don't believe in your frameworks, just that I never saw a justification for it. I don't only believe in scientific proof I just find them to be the most reliable, like it doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe in other proof. And this kind of "normal person" argument is common in many psychedelic communities, I guess, I took them but it didn't drive me towards absolute certainty about this metaphysical realm

I could see how it was possible, and I'm not closed-minded at all, but it's not really of any use.

 

[crazyguy]

Not that I don't believe in your frameworks, just that I never saw a justification for it. I don't only believe in scientific proof I just find them to be the most reliable, like it doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe in other proof. And this kind of "normal person" argument is common in many psychedelic communities, I guess, I took them but it didn't drive me towards absolute certainty about this metaphysical realm

I could see how it was possible, and I'm not closed-minded at all, but it's not really of any use.

Exactly, i can see that youre open minded. but the thing is, no matter how open minded you are, you'll still never be able to believe in it without that certain event i talked about