ESR is actually meaningless in most cases, hear me out

[charliewillascend]

I am yet to see ESR fail someone,
From JUST ESR.
if someone has low ESR but normal ICD and it looks bad it usually just means they have low Raw IPD, as when you crop out there eyes so you can’t see the rest of the width of there face you can still tell their eyes are close set.
Too many chads with wide faces who have 0.42 ESR yet you can’t even tell they have low ESR lol,
Like Dicaprio, Alex Schlaab and also Barrett.
But then why does Crawford look like a close eyed cyclops despite having the same ESR as all those 3 listed yet his actually looks shit?
It’s because his raw IPD is low.
It’s usually when IPD is below 60mm it looks dog shit.
I would consider any IPD below 63mm close set though.

having it low or too high is only bad because it can fuck up your other ratios as for example if you have a wide tall skull with normal IPD and ICD, as your skull is wide and tall your more likely to have a longer nose, so it could fuck up your MFR if your ESR isn’t wide enough or close enough in proportion to your skull.
If bad ESR doesn’t cook your ratios your fine.



Very low effort hope someone read, I have photos and examples of this I couldn’t be arsed to upload might remake later icl,
Don’t attack me it’s true in most cases.

 

[Antonio..]

I am yet to see ESR fail someone,
From JUST ESR.
if someone has low ESR but normal ICD and it looks bad it usually just means they have low Raw IPD, as when you crop out there eyes so you can’t see the rest of the width of there face you can still tell their eyes are close set.
Too many chads with wide faces who have 0.42 ESR yet you can’t even tell they have low ESR lol,
Like Dicaprio, Alex Schlaab and also Barrett.
But then why does Crawford look like a close eyed cyclops despite having the same ESR as all those 3 listed yet his actually looks shit?
It’s because his raw IPD is low.
It’s usually when IPD is below 60mm it looks dog shit.
I would consider any IPD below 63mm close set though.

having it low or too high is only bad because it can fuck up your other ratios as for example if you have a wide tall skull with normal IPD and ICD, as your skull is wide and tall your more likely to have a longer nose, so it could fuck up your MFR if your ESR isn’t wide enough or close enough in proportion to your skull.
If bad ESR doesn’t cook your ratios your fine.



Very low effort hope someone read, I have photos and examples of this I couldn’t be arsed to upload might remake later icl,
Don’t attack me it’s true in most cases.

Guess the esr

 

[charliewillascend]

Guess the esr

hmm looks slightly wide here,
His raw IPD is a little wide, but still it still seems ideal to me.

Judging by the fact you said guess the esr I’m gonna guess it’s surprisingly on the lower end, I’m gonna say 0.435

 

[gangiewangie]

hmm looks slightly wide here,
His raw IPD is a little wide, but still it still seems ideal to me.

Judging by the fact you said guess the esr I’m gonna guess it’s surprisingly on the lower end, I’m gonna say 0.435

thats him

 

[charliewillascend]

thats him

His eye area is similar to this appeal god on tik tok, I forgot his

What is your ESR?
It looks wide from the photo but I’m guessing it’s gonna be low, hence why you said guess
@Antonio..

 

[Antonio..]

hmm looks slightly wide here,
His raw IPD is a little wide, but still it still seems ideal to me.

Judging by the fact you said guess the esr I’m gonna guess it’s surprisingly on the lower end, I’m gonna say 0.435

its like .43-.43.5 depending on picture its intresting bcs the rest of my ratios from the front are tier 1 undistorted beside mid set cheekbones only the esr is bad

 

[Antonio..]

its like .43-.43.5 depending on picture its intresting bcs the rest of my ratios from the front are tier 1 undistorted beside mid set cheekbones only the esr is bad

This photo is slightly distorted on the pic its 0.44 range

 

[charliewillascend]

its like .43-.43.5 depending on picture its intresting bcs the rest of my ratios from the front are tier 1 undistorted beside mid set cheekbones only the esr is bad

Doesn’t even matter,
IPD looks normal and ICD.
ESR is genuinely useless, as long as your other ratios aren’t affected.

lucky guess too ig.

 

[Whatever]

It’s way more important on girls than guys, it’s also way more noticeable in pictures than in real life. Put these two together and you have why the face autists on here are so obsessed with it, they’re seeing it through heavy biases.

 

[charliewillascend]

It’s way more important on girls than guys, it’s also way more noticeable in pictures than in real life. Put these two together and you have why the face autists on here are so obsessed with it, they’re seeing it through heavy biases.

Exactly lol,

It isn’t even noticeable on pictures for most.
For example I bet you never knew dicaprio had death tier ESR,
Alex Schlaabs being even worse .

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

 

[staton]

IPD/ES RATIO/EME ANGLE is borderline meaningless for harmony

IPD, ESRATIO and EME angle have a moderate impact at best on facial harmony. There are other major factors that impact the impression we get conscerning the eyes spacing on someones face, mostly EYEBROW SPACING and NASAL BRIDGE/NASION DEFINITION. I saw alot of people wondering how someone with...

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this thread is also pretty interesting because you can see how they mention that a high IPD /bad ESR can still be made to look alright and not be as noticeable simply due to other features. those comparisons between images with an edited, flat nose and a those with good nasal definition where IPD is untouched still made all the difference

 

[charliewillascend]

@anthony111553
@Iooksmax

 

[anthony111553]

chase crawford mogs tho

 

[charliewillascend]

@anthony111553
@Iooksmax

@anthony111553

If raw IPD is a cope explain why this guys eyes look so close, IF his Inter canthal distance is actually slightly wide.
And you can’t even see his ESR.
It’s down to his raw IPD.

 

[watah]

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[anthony111553]

@anthony111553

If raw IPD is a cope explain why this guys eyes look so close, IF his Inter canthal distance is actually slightly wide.
And you can’t even see his ESR.
It’s down to his raw IPD.
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i don't think they do

 

[charliewillascend]

chase crawford mogs tho

Yes down to this optical illusion which saves Efron, Crawford and some holder.

Wider eyebrows fraud wider eyes.

Nasion also frauds other IPD ratios.

 

[Snicket]

I am yet to see ESR fail someone,
From JUST ESR.
if someone has low ESR but normal ICD and it looks bad it usually just means they have low Raw IPD, as when you crop out there eyes so you can’t see the rest of the width of there face you can still tell their eyes are close set.
Too many chads with wide faces who have 0.42 ESR yet you can’t even tell they have low ESR lol,
Like Dicaprio, Alex Schlaab and also Barrett.
But then why does Crawford look like a close eyed cyclops despite having the same ESR as all those 3 listed yet his actually looks shit?
It’s because his raw IPD is low.
It’s usually when IPD is below 60mm it looks dog shit.
I would consider any IPD below 63mm close set though.

having it low or too high is only bad because it can fuck up your other ratios as for example if you have a wide tall skull with normal IPD and ICD, as your skull is wide and tall your more likely to have a longer nose, so it could fuck up your MFR if your ESR isn’t wide enough or close enough in proportion to your skull.
If bad ESR doesn’t cook your ratios your fine.



Very low effort hope someone read, I have photos and examples of this I couldn’t be arsed to upload might remake later icl,
Don’t attack me it’s true in most cases.

This is like the beginning of Crime and Punishment but pure, unadulterated autism.

 

[anthony111553]

View attachment 3557304Yes down to this optical illusion which saves Efron, Crawford and some holder.

Wider eyebrows fraud wider eyes.

Nasion also frauds other IPD ratios.
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if it's an illusion then the flaw is negated

 

[charliewillascend]

if it's an illusion then the flaw is negated

yes,

But if he didn’t have that illusion his eyes would appear death tier close.
As you can see when the illusion is removed it exposes how close his eyes are.
So raw IPD still matters.
ALOT
As most people don’t have such wide eyebrows.

 

[charliewillascend]

This is like the beginning of Crime and Punishment but pure, unadulterated autism.

not wrong,

But fuck you bud I mog you brutally

 

[anthony111553]

yes,

But if he didn’t have that illusion his eyes would be death tier close.
So raw IPD still matters.
ALOT

that makes no sense literally at all

 

[charliewillascend]

that makes no sense literally at all

dumbed it down for you

 

[Snicket]

not wrong,

But fuck you bud I mog you brutally

What do you look like? DM?

 

[anthony111553]

dumbed it down for you

still really doesn't make sense, i've seen people say that a multiple of other factors affect precieved ipd. in that case the features aside from the ipd would be the most important

 

[charliewillascend]

What do you look like? DM?

nope never show my face for pointless shit like this,

carry on with your life bro

 

[charliewillascend]

still really doesn't make sense, i've seen people say that a multiple of other factors affect precieved ipd. in that case the features aside from the ipd would be the most important

Not really you wouldn’t even need the factors if your IPD was normal.

 

[anthony111553]

Not really you wouldn’t even need the factors if your IPD was normal.

you still need good eyebrows

 

[Snicket]

nope never show my face for pointless shit like this,

Was just curious really.
I would do the same in your shoes.

 

[Snicket]

you still need good eyebrows

Would do you rate charliewillascend ? You're a tough rater.

 

[charliewillascend]

Would do you rate charliewillascend ? You're a tough rater.

he’s never seen my face.
And Anthony mostly rates inaccurate, I’ve seen him have some good runs though.

Very few users have seen my face.
@Balkanmogger1446 is one that I can think of.

 

[Futura]

It’s way more important on girls than guys, it’s also way more noticeable in pictures than in real life. Put these two together and you have why the face autists on here are so obsessed with it, they’re seeing it through heavy biases.

Its super important in pictures but irl it's way less visible because your zygos aren't flat and have depth while in pictures you just see in 2d

 

[iblamemygenes]

having it low or too high is only bad because it can fuck up your other ratios as for example if you have a wide tall skull with normal IPD and ICD, as your skull is wide and tall your more likely to have a longer nose, so it could fuck up your MFR if your ESR isn’t wide enough or close enough in proportion to your skull.
If bad ESR doesn’t cook your ratios your fine..

Me: my ipd is 65 mm but my mfr and esr are ass, fwhr is also low end. Undistorted mfr is .92 esr .43 and fwhr 1.88. Tall and wide skull cool unless you have normal ipd and icd. If my skull was just wide and not tall, esr would still be fucked but my mfr and fwhr would be better. that’s why I think mfr is more important than esr for eye spacing. people with ideal midface and shit esr still look good while people with shit midface and ideal esr look ass