Ethnics trick a white man into inceldom

[TsarTsar444]

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[Deleted member 3043]

JFL at arguing religion with incels

as i said, i prefer not, but truth is the truth. When you seek the truth you hardly can stand falsehood and injustice.
And regarding this lying racism issue, founded on false narrations, it's impossible to let liars lie.
Here is even a short summary regarding the "lol bilal wasn't freed". https://aboutislam.net/shariah/prophet-muhammad/his-companions/bilal-voice-islam-model-servitude/
And this quote from the last speech, one of the few narrations transmitted with the strongest way possible, of the prophet sawas, says enough :
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except bypiety (taqwa) and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

At this point never nobody said the opposite ever, beside some edgy lords on some autistic forums, isn't it funny?
@africancel @homo_faber etc

 

[Baldingman1998]

bro how many times i have to do the same replies?
GO TRY TO DEBUNK WHAT I SAID IN THE THREADS REGARDING ALL THOSE POINTS THAT I MADE, because you spread ignorance and i had to reply.
because all you did when i wrote the - short - rebbutals was to send me "dnr lol"

And why you come to bother when i talk with others people? Go try to refute what i wrote instead of replying with "dnr' and acting like a paper tiger by doing Copy paste that i TAKE TIME TO REFUTE EACH TIME while you answer by dnr.

Conclusion

This Hadith is weak and the anti-Islam/Muslim apologist interpretation of it blatantly contradicts multiple verses of the Quran as well as established Sahih narrations, it is also impermissible to quote as it is a Hadith regarding beliefs which is weak and isolated.

Ok then that proves that those sources contradict islam's teachings or islam is full of contradictions. If those sources are false then why aren't they disowned by islam since it's not authentic according to you. It's existence will just confuse Muslims and non Muslims alike.


Also that other thing you showed me. Well he himself bought a white slave for 2 black slaves as you can see here:
Sunan an-Nasa'i 4621
It was narrated that Jabir Sair:
"A slave came and gave his pledge to the Messenger of Allah to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said; 'Sell him to me.' So he bought him for two black slaves, then he did not accept until he had asked; 'Is he a slave?'''
أَخْبَرَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنْ أَبِي الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ جَابِرٍ، قَالَ جَاءَ عَبْدٌ فَبَايَعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلَى الْهِجْرَةِ وَلاَ يَشْعُرُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ عَبْدٌ فَجَاءَ سَيِّدُهُ يُرِيدُهُ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ بِعْنِيهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَاشْتَرَاهُ بِعَبْدَيْنِ أَسْوَدَيْنِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يُبَايِعْ أَحَدًا بَعْدُ حَتَّى يَسْأَلَهُ أَعَبْدٌ هُوَ
Grade: Sahih (Darussalam


I'm curious how you will disprove this one

 

[Baldingman1998]

@TsarTsar444
Thoughts?

 

[TsarTsar444]

@TsarTsar444
Thoughts?

He is muslimmaxing to marry a blonde bosnian trad wife, mirin and high iq pilled

 

[Baldingman1998]

He is muslimmaxing to marry a blonde bosnian trad wife, mirin and high iq pilled

I mean thoughts on the discussion above and who do you think is right according to what you know. Be honest

 

[TsarTsar444]

I mean thoughts on the discussion above and who do you think is right according to what you know. Be honest

I don't care anymore too adhd now to read that much tbh, just want tk ldar

 

[Baldingman1998]

I don't care anymore too adhd now to read that much tbh, just want tk ldar

Jfl

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Ok then that proves that those sources contradict islam's teachings or islam is full of contradictions. If those sources are false then why aren't they disowned by islam since it's not authentic according to you. It's existence will just confuse Muslims and non Muslims alike.

Because then again you don't know HOW the science of hadith works.
Bro why you talk about stuffs you don't know?
Those narrations will never be thrown in the bin because they are weak because weak narrations can sometimes be used for different purpose even if they'r weak. Because the methology of hadith doesn't work like that and, there are lots criteria to apply first.

It's just not you see a narration that goes in your appararent sense - usually you don't even understand them - that it's authentic or true.

SO WHEN YOU PUT TO ME A NARRATION I HAVE TO VERIFY ITS COHERENCE AND AUTHENTICITY FIRST.
And each time it's false narrations, so i'm pretty sick of this.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I mean thoughts on the discussion above and who do you think is right according to what you know. Be honest

autism? It's not up to debate.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Because then again you don't know HOW the science of hadith works.
Bro why you talk about stuffs you don't know?
Those narrations will never be thrown in the bin because they are weak because weak narrations can sometimes be used for different purpose even if they'r weak. Because the methology of hadith doesn't work like that and, there are lots criteria to apply first.

It's just not you see a narration that goes in your appararent sense - usually you don't even understand them - that it's authentic or true.

SO WHEN YOU PUT TO ME A NARRATION I HAVE TO VERIFY ITS COHERENCE AND AUTHENTICITY FIRST.
And each time it's false narrations, so i'm pretty sick of this.

Even Sahih hadiths are bullshit for you which means you are Quran only Muslim. I will only use quran from now on

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Even Sahih hadiths are bullshit for you which means you are Quran only Muslim. I will only use quran from now on

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Bro if you can't read, i can't help you.
Sahih doesn't mean truth, it means the main transmission - not necessarily totally - is authentic, and authenticity depends on your metholodogy. Some narrations are considered as authentic by know scholars some less, it's a metholodogy that you can't understand, and i can't bother going full into details for PAGES you won't read.
I believe in hadiths and if they said such a thing really, i will accept it, jfl if you believe i consider you subjective morality as valuable, i already answered this issue.

 

[Baldingman1998]

?
Bro if you can't read, i can't help you.
Sahih doesn't mean truth, it means the main transmission - not necessarily totally - is authentic, and authenticity depends on your metholodogy. Some narrations are considered as authentic by know scholars some less, it's a metholodogy that you can't understand, and i can't bother going full into details for PAGES you won't read.
I believe in hadiths and if they said such a thing really, i will accept it, jfl if you believe i consider you subjective morality as valuable, i already answered this issue.

Conclusion

This Hadith is weak and the anti-Islam/Muslim apologist interpretation of it blatantly contradicts multiple verses of the Quran as well as established Sahih narrations, it is also impermissible to quote as it is a Hadith regarding beliefs which is weak and isolated.

Ok then that proves that those sources contradict islam's teachings or islam is full of contradictions. If those sources are false then why aren't they disowned by islam since it's not authentic according to you. It's existence will just confuse Muslims and non Muslims alike.


Also that other thing you showed me. Well he himself bought a white slave for 2 black slaves as you can see here:
Sunan an-Nasa'i 4621
It was narrated that Jabir Sair:
"A slave came and gave his pledge to the Messenger of Allah to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said; 'Sell him to me.' So he bought him for two black slaves, then he did not accept until he had asked; 'Is he a slave?'''
أَخْبَرَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، عَنْ أَبِي الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ جَابِرٍ، قَالَ جَاءَ عَبْدٌ فَبَايَعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلَى الْهِجْرَةِ وَلاَ يَشْعُرُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ عَبْدٌ فَجَاءَ سَيِّدُهُ يُرِيدُهُ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ بِعْنِيهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَاشْتَرَاهُ بِعَبْدَيْنِ أَسْوَدَيْنِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يُبَايِعْ أَحَدًا بَعْدُ حَتَّى يَسْأَلَهُ أَعَبْدٌ هُوَ
Grade: Sahih (Darussalam


I'm curious how you will disprove this one

Reply

 

[Baldingman1998]

?
Bro if you can't read, i can't help you.
Sahih doesn't mean truth, it means the main transmission - not necessarily totally - is authentic, and authenticity depends on your metholodogy. Some narrations are considered as authentic by know scholars some less, it's a metholodogy that you can't understand, and i can't bother going full into details for PAGES you won't read.
I believe in hadiths and if they said such a thing really, i will accept it, jfl if you believe i consider you subjective morality as valuable, i already answered this issue.

If you don't reply to my statement that's an L

 

[Deleted member 3043]

If you don't reply to my statement that's an L

i can reply but i don't bother for now, since you left every time i replied because you had nothing else to say.
this is not even an issue.

 

[Baldingman1998]

i can reply but i don't bother for now, since you left every time i replied because you had nothing else to say.
this is not even an issue.

I left because you were talking nonsense and changed the topic. Disproving a single paragraph vs talking about epistemology etc. Also that time about being a cuck etc you ran away not me. So you are guilty of running away as well jfl.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I left because you were talking nonsense and changed the topic. Disproving a single paragraph vs talking about epistemology etc. Also that time about being a cuck etc you ran away not me. So you are guilty of running away as well jfl.

No, because me totally replying != you totally understanding.
Go re-read what i meant by epistemology, and with the cuck issue, and if you have anything to say argument wise beside "olol it's not true or olol it's cuck", feel free.
But understand, i don't value opinions, nor mine nor your.
If definition, or reason, or faith says one thing i say the same exactly. It's about that you have to try to find argument, not founded on your own subjectivity. That's the main issue with you, you don't care about beeing rigourous.

 

[Baldingman1998]

No, because me totally replying != you totally understanding.
Go re-read what i meant by epistemology, and with the cuck issue, and if you have anything to say argument wise beside "olol it's not true or olol it's cuck", feel free.
But understand, i don't value opinions, nor mine nor your.
If definition, or reason, or faith says one thing i say the same exactly. It's about that you have to try to find argument, not founded on your own subjectivity. That's the main issue with you, you don't care about beeing rigourous.

You are mistaking being yourself for an intellectual that knows the truth and is objective when in reality you are very close minded and irrational. I'm still going east on you. I can show you many things in religion which are false but you will probably ignore like the above reply and the thread I tagged you in.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

You are mistaking being yourself for an intellectual that knows the truth and is objective when in reality you are very close minded and irrational

I'm nothing else than an ignorant that accepted his ignorance and tries to be rational, and rigorous.
It's just that every issue you bring up until now are flawed in their essence. And me beeing decent in logic and philosophy can see it very clearly while you don't see it or don't want to see it.

I can show you many things in religion which are false but you will probably ignore like the above reply and the thread I tagged you in.

The above reply i don't have enough data to tell you if it's a factual narration or not, so i don't give my opinion on it yet. Bringing things is easy, answering them takes more time, and it's not like it's an issue given what is slavery in said faith, how it has to be dealt and the nature or the transaction because some slave master refused money and wanted some particular slaves in exchange. Again it doesn't mean anything, given what is the current era slavery, the nature of slavery in general and the one in the said faith.
That's why i said it's a non issue.
I always replied to you, while you most of the time replied to me with dnr or won't read. This should've been enough for me to stop replying but you keep on posting on others threads and i feel the urge to retablish the most rational position when blatant lies/ignorance are shown. That's it.

 

[Baldingman1998]

I'm nothing else than an ignorant that accepted his ignorance and tries to be rational, and rigorous.
It's just that every issue you bring up until now are flawed in their essence. And me beeing decent in logic and philosophy can see it very clearly while you don't see it or don't want to see it.

The above reply i don't have enough data to tell you if it's a factual narration or not, so i don't give my opinion on it yet. Bringing things is easy, answering them takes more time, and it's not like it's an issue given what is slavery in said faith, how it has to be dealt and the nature or the transaction because some slave master refused money and wanted some particular slaves in exchange. Again it doesn't mean anything, given what is the current era slavery, the nature of slavery in general and the one in the said faith.
That's why i said it's a non issue.
I always replied to you, while you most of the time replied to me with dnr or won't read. This should've been enough for me to stop replying but you keep on posting on others threads and i feel the urge to retablish the most rational position when blatant lies/ignorance are shown. That's it.

I disagree (regarding your opinion on slavery in that case) but ok

 

[Deleted member 3043]

I disagree (regarding your opinion on slavery in that case) but ok

to me it's clear that we have to read into things before putting them into frame.
Applying the western meaning of slavery to said faith, is showing that you don't understand it, because since when did they had the obligation to respect them as themselves, wear them as themselves, feed them as themselves, never treat them even a bit bad, or else they had the obligation to free them?
Those rules were made as such to make eventually everyone free - contrary to the "free" people of today that are slaves to both their desires and to work - by making it too hard to respect such rules for the masters because basically it's as if you consider him as your brother. And even the possibilities to make them enter into such cases was very hardly reduced - forbidden to enslave anyone born free, or else it's hellfire, only during wars where you have to deal with prisoners, what will you do with people you fought against? that's the most rational position, instead of putting them into jail or worse.
And then again, it shows the wisedom of it, because making it forbidden in one shot, would lead to rebellion of the masters, and societal issues, because the economy of those societies relied very much on it.
One has to be wise and think in term of consequentialism.
So much that even freed most of the individuals didn't wanted it and wanted to stay with the one who was their former master, by their own will.

 

[homo_faber]

all schools are actually pretty similar, and all totally considered as equal, at the origin it was just an issue of commodity, to have a coherent set of laws, and practices, beside the Qur'an and the hadiths, everywhere in the muslim community.
But if you want really one main difference, hanafism rely more on kisas, ie analogism and using of reason to find the "ratione legis" ie the sense of a law and generalize it. For example, it's mainly by using this analogy that you see that drugs are forbidden. It's considered as the most "liberal" due to the context of apparition of this school. But most schools of thought founder knew each other, especially Imam hanifa and imam malik, one was a student of the other. It has also impacts on political theories especially in context of injust rulers and what is possible to do or not.

While malikism, rely more on the opinion and practice of the people of medinah, those who lived in the time of the prophet sawas, known as be the closest to him, so the more authentic to follow.

how do i find out what school the mosque next door is following? tbh from an outside perspective they just a bunch of turks who follow the school of erdogan. the people who go there dont seem to know a lot about islam i once talked to a guy from there

 

[Schnitzel]

I'm nothing else than an ignorant that accepted his ignorance and tries to be rational, and rigorous.
It's just that every issue you bring up until now are flawed in their essence. And me beeing decent in logic and philosophy can see it very clearly while you don't see it or don't want to see it.

The above reply i don't have enough data to tell you if it's a factual narration or not, so i don't give my opinion on it yet. Bringing things is easy, answering them takes more time, and it's not like it's an issue given what is slavery in said faith, how it has to be dealt and the nature or the transaction because some slave master refused money and wanted some particular slaves in exchange. Again it doesn't mean anything, given what is the current era slavery, the nature of slavery in general and the one in the said faith.
That's why i said it's a non issue.
I always replied to you, while you most of the time replied to me with dnr or won't read. This should've been enough for me to stop replying but you keep on posting on others threads and i feel the urge to retablish the most rational position when blatant lies/ignorance are shown. That's it.

You are mistaking being yourself for an intellectual that knows the truth and is objective when in reality you are very close minded and irrational. I'm still going east on you. I can show you many things in religion which are false but you will probably ignore like the above reply and the thread I tagged you in.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

how do i find out what school the mosque next door is following? tbh from an outside perspective they just a bunch of turks who follow the school of erdogan. the people who go there dont seem to know a lot about islam i once talked to a guy from there

they are turks? turks mostly follow iirc hanafism, so one of the two we'r talking.
Just go ask the imam there, imams have usually really good knowledge and understanding of these issues.
Not to a typical follower, usually they don't know much.
But, do it if you believe it's genuinely the truth - i've elaborated on why it's the most rational position on others threads if you'r interested to read - and everything will be fine.
Even getting a pious woman won't be an issue as long as you'r pious yourself, because i know it's a common issue with modernity.

 

[homo_faber]

they are turks? turks mostly follow iirc hanafism, so one of the two we'r talking.
Just go ask the imam there, imams have usually really good knowledge and understanding of these issues.
Not to a typical follower, usually they don't know much.
But, do it if you believe it's genuinely the truth - i've elaborated on why it's the most rational position on others threads if you'r interested to read - and everything will be fine.
Even getting a pious woman won't be an issue as long as you'r pious yourself, because i know it's a common issue with modernity.

nah i wouldnt convert for a woman i just intersted in that stuff in general. also the community feeling seem to be better

 

[Deleted member 3043]

nah i wouldnt convert for a woman i just intersted in that stuff in general. also the community feeling seem to be better

it is really the case. I can talk a lot about everything, since it's the thing that made my life having a genuine sense and knowing it's the most rational position. So please feel free.

 

[Deleted member 10185]

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This shit is so accurate and it make me fucking mad.. Even if I looked like Swedish.. I would never dump my origins and ethnicity.

 

[Deleted member 10987]

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[Deleted member 10185]

But for real... Some vikings became Shia muslim. They even got same burial ceremony when they came back to their home from middle east.

 

[Deleted member 3512]

"welcome to islam bro, now you can beat your wife"