Eugenics would prevent so much suffering.

[CorinthianLOX]

I think the worst part of eugenics is that, as youve said, we dont understand it or how genetics work at a deep level.
It could be a good thing on paper, but society might just utilize it wrong anyway

That’s why we should study it. If humans could tame fire, humans could tame genetics and eugenics aswell.

 

[Michelangelo]

What causes an underdeveloped frontal lobe?

Yeah genetics, but this is linked to murder in general. School shootings are a thing that most people plan for ideological reason or whatever, its not impulsivity

 

[neurosis]

autists are certainly not the only demographic who experiences negative reinforcement. Ethnics, short people and the deformed experience this also.

My point was that wouldn’t it be good to ascend humanity collectively to a higher genetic plain. Also yes I agree that bullying will exist in some way or another because no matter what, some people are naturally better and stronger than others.

The thing is though that with eugenics more people could have a chance unlike now.

the problem is the sexual selection mechanism we currently have, adhering to it by culling xyz demographic and making everyone a tall aryan does nothing. tldr: tragedies wont be prevented

also humanity doesnt need to be guided to any plane by anyone.

also free market + gene editing -> eugenics issue solves itself

also everyone already practices a local form of eugenics

 

[Michelangelo]

Yeah, it's a shame the Nazis kinda fucked this area of science for the foreseeable future

They fucked up everything, now a right party cannot get in power without someone calling everyone fascists and nazis

 

[CorinthianLOX]

the problem is the sexual selection mechanism we currently have, adhering to it by culling xyz demographic and making everyone a tall aryan does nothing.

also humanity doesnt need to be guided to any plane by anyone.

also free market + gene editing -> eugenics issue solves itself

also everyone already practices a local form of eugenics

The free market would only make gene-editing accessible for the rich and powerful. It would only benefit them, and not anyone else. What I want is genetic healthcare for the wider populace.

 

[Michelangelo]

the problem is the sexual selection mechanism we currently have, adhering to it by culling xyz demographic and making everyone a tall aryan does nothing. tldr: tragedies wont be prevented

also humanity doesnt need to be guided to any plane by anyone.

also free market + gene editing -> eugenics issue solves itself

also everyone already practices a local form of eugenics

Literally nobody said to make everyone a copy of the perfect aryan man

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Literally nobody said to make everyone a copy of the perfect aryan man

Also this. Yet another strawman spotted.

 

[valcovax]

Eugenics can be used for a lot of things. The problem is that we don’t know about gene-editing and human genetics to utilize it.

Like I said previously we could accelerate human progress massively with eugenics. The next generation ought to be taller, better looking, smarter, more ND and fitter than the previous generation. With eugenics and controlled evolution this is conceivable.

yes I already understand the concept of eugenics and I can admit that there are probably some somewhat societally beneficial aspects, but morally I would probably not agree with most of them. what do you have to say about my trade off though? the only reason that sounds so good to you right now is because there are averages.

 

[neurosis]

The free market would only make gene-editing accessible for the rich and powerful

good, maybe then theyll accumulate all the recourses and be the only ones to reproduce

What I want is genetic healthcare for the wider populace.

nah. adapt (accumulate capital) or perish

 

[CorinthianLOX]

yes I already understand the concept of eugenics and I can admit that there are probably some somewhat societally beneficial aspects, but morally I would probably not agree with most of them. what do you have to say about my trade off though? the only reason that sounds so good to you right now is because there are averages.

Who cares about morality. Morality is totally arbituary and it doesn’t exist outside the human mind. Health is objective unlike ethics and morality. Morality is totally subjective to the culture it prevails in.

 

[valcovax]

Division of labour

Think about what we do with different breeds of dogs, cattle etc. We make groups of people have certain traits intended to help with certain responsibilities and tasks they will be given

eugenics of humans and animals are vastly different and shouldn’t be compared. what are you trying to say at the end though? that is just a natural process of diversity in the world is it not? not everyone is meant to do something, most people have something they are better at than most things, so obviously they should do that.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

good, maybe then theyll accumulate all the recourses and be the only ones to reproduce

nah. adapt (accumulate capital) or perish

This is a way foward sure. Luckily i live in a welfare state where eugenic principles were practiced in the 30s so if eugenics is ever implemented here it would be public and not private.

 

[valcovax]

Who cares about morality. Morality is totally arbituary and it doesn’t exist outside the human mind. Health is objective unlike ethics and morality. Morality is totally subjective to the culture it prevails in.

I’m not asking you about morality bro I’m not fucking retarded I get it’s subjective, sorry, anyways I meant what I was talking about with my example of people who we consider tall modern day. for example, let’s say a family has an average height of 6”0 flat, but another’s average is 5”7. we consider the first family to be “tall”, because the vast majority of families have a lower average height. what you are not addressing is the consequences of getting rid of this lower average!

 

[CorinthianLOX]

eugenics of humans and animals are vastly different and shouldn’t be compared. what are you trying to say at the end though? that is just a natural process of diversity in the world is it not? not everyone is meant to do something, most people have something they are better at than most things, so obviously they should do that.

No it isn’t because humans are animals. We are just the most effective apex predators this planet has ever seen. But we are still just that, animals.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

I’m not asking you about morality bro I’m not fucking retarded I get it’s subjective, sorry, anyways I meant what I was talking about with my example of people who we consider tall modern day. for example, let’s say a family has an average height of 6”0 flat, but another’s average is 5”7. we consider the first family to be “tall”, because the vast majority of families have a lower average height. what you are not addressing is the consequences of getting rid of this lower average!

I’m totally indifferent to the consequences of getting rid of the lower average. Their suffering will be temporary anyway. Their ridding will be net positive to the world.

 

[valcovax]

No it isn’t because humans are animals. We are just the most effective apex predators this planet has ever seen. But we are still just that, animals.

well we will just have to disagree to agree there. I don’t believe humans are just animals, im a Christian so I believe humans are inherently superior since we were created in the image of God. I know you don’t share this but it’s my own personal view. Also, if that were the case then I feel eugenics would already be in place. But most people can recognize that we are different from “animals”.

 

[neurosis]

Division of labour

Think about what we do with different breeds of dogs, cattle etc. We make groups of people have certain traits intended to help with certain responsibilities and tasks they will be given

This but all overseen and orchestrated by an AGI who has the best interests of the planet/environment/other sentient life forms in mind.

 

[goober55]

Yes. This system is called natural selection. Imo We need the state to enforce it so that humanity could improve and ascend to a higher plain of existence.

Even beyond that, the ancient bloodlines have culled the warriors and the braves from our human family through war and other means. Moreover, they have warped the purity of our blood memory through race-mixing and have sowed sickness through epigenetics. We have become weaker and more cowardly, and yet simultaneously more durable in terms of our ability to work. The issue however is that we cannot rely on eugenics alone to correct the course of humanity, as you would only be working with an already dilapidated gene pool and we lack the timeframe required for advantageous mutations to arise. I suspect that genetic modification and soft-transhumanism will be the only way to implement changes to the human in a fitting timeframe, however this is something the elites already partake in.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

well we will just have to disagree to agree there. I don’t believe humans are just animals, im a Christian so I believe humans are inherently superior since we were created in the image of God. I know you don’t share this but it’s my own personal view. Also, if that were the case then I feel eugenics would already be in place. But most people can recognize that we are different from “animals”.

Every single animal thinks that it’s special from every other animal. This is also true of humans. But agree to disagree.

 

[valcovax]

I’m totally indifferent to the consequences of getting rid of the lower average. Their suffering will be temporary anyway. Their ridding will be net positive to the world.

brother what is there some sort of comprehension issue going on here?? I’m not talking about how the lower average will feel, I’m talking about the future generations who will have the traits you want man, you think they will see the same height you think is tall as tall in their opinion as well? There is always a trade off bro it’s not just kill everyone average and below lol there are much more levels to this

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Even beyond that, the ancient bloodlines have culled the warriors and the braves from our human family through war and other means. Moreover, they have warped the purity of our blood memory through race-mixing and have sowed sickness through epigenetics. We have become weaker and more cowardly, and yet simultaneously more durable in terms of our ability to work. The issue however is that we cannot rely on eugenics alone to correct the course of humanity, as you would only be working with an already dilapidated gene pool and we lack the timeframe required for advantageous mutations to arise. I suspect that genetic modification and soft-transhumanism will be the only way to implement changes to the human in a fitting timeframe, however this is something the elites already partake in.

I don’t disagree. I never said eugenics was the ONLY way. Obviously transhumanism will be beneficial too. Also Gene-editing is literally soft eugenics. We just unfortunately know too little about gene-editing atm and there’s no so called ’ethical’ ways to test it either.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

brother what is there some sort of comprehension issue going on here?? I’m not talking about how the lower average will feel, I’m talking about the future generations who will have the traits you want man, you think they will see the same height you think is tall as tall in their opinion as well? There is always a trade off bro it’s not just kill everyone average and below lol there are much more levels to this

No my point is precisely that they will be taller and better so ofc they will not see the 2025 tall as tall in the year 2080 for example.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

Eugenics doesn't work with capitalism

Agreed

 

[valcovax]

No my point is precisely that they will be taller and better so ofc they will not see the 2025 tall as tall in the year 2080 for example.

then what the hell even is the point jfl? obviously this is not restricted to just height, I imply every failo that would be effected by eugenics. but if our average will be the same average in 2080, then what the fuck is even the point? If the new average is 6”0 then guess what, idiots like us will just say “only 6”0? terra over lol nigga ur done”

 

[CorinthianLOX]

then what the hell even is the point jfl? obviously this is not restricted to just height, I imply every failo that would be effected by eugenics. but if our average will be the same average in 2080, then what the fuck is even the point? If the new average is 6”0 then guess what, idiots like us will just say “only 6”0? terra over lol nigga ur done”

Can you even read. My point again was that future generations will be taller hence the average height will be taller aswell. My point was that 5’11 would be manlet height in 2080 for example because the younger generations will be taller if eugenics was implemented (And yes there will always be people who cry on incel forums and say 6’0 is manlet height in 2025 because most of them are genuinely retarded)

The point is that human progress will not stagnate instead it will continue to progress.

 

[valcovax]

Can you even read. My point again was that future generations will be taller hence the average height will be taller aswell. My point was that 5’11 would be manlet height in 2080 for example because the younger generations will be taller if eugenics was implemented (And yes there will always be people who cry on incel forums and say 6’0 is manlet height in 2025 because most of them are genuinely retarded)

The point is that human progress will not stagnate instead it will continue to progress.

and what do we all need to be taller for exactly, what about us all not being 6”5 is so limiting to the human race that we should begin killing off millions of people lol?

 

[CorinthianLOX]

and what do we all need to be taller for exactly, what about us all not being 6”5 is so limiting to the human race that we should begin killing off millions of people lol?

I never said that we should kill millions of people. In a previous post I said that gene-editing is a lighter form of eugenics so maybe we should implement that. Tallness is just a desirable trait and height increases in every generation. If we want to increase the vitality of the human race, we should also aspire to improve for example the height of the human race. Height is not obviously the only thing that needs improvement as I have stated kn many previous posts before. Smarts nd looks fitness all need improvement. The human race is in a decline right now. We can see this in the degredation of our environment nutrition intelligence and most importantly in the rise of mental illnesses and inceldom.

If eugenics were implemented years before we were born, we wouldn’t be rotting on .org but instead we would be outside slaying and living a good life.

 

[valcovax]

I never said that we should kill millions of people. In a previous post I said that gene-editing is a lighter form of eugenics so maybe we should implement that. Tallness is just a desirable trait and height increases in every generation. If we want to increase the vitality of the human race, we should also aspire to improve for example the height of the human race. Height is not obviously the only thing that needs improvement as I have stated kn many previous posts before. Smarts nd looks fitness all need improvement. The human race is in a decline right now. We can see this in the degredation of our environment nutrition intelligence and most importantly in the rise of mental illnesses and inceldom.

If eugenics were implemented years before we were born, we wouldn’t be rotting on .org but instead we would be outside slaying and living a good life.

if there is a safe way to improve some aspects and there would be legit benefits with little no consequences, then sure I’m down for that as most people would. however, I will say I take issue with the end part, I don’t think people would be slaying anymore than they already are now, 2080’s average will likely have the same experiences as us; just different numbers or slightly smarter or wtv

 

[Harold O'brien]

eugenics of humans and animals are vastly different and shouldn’t be compared.

how so? you can't make that statement without any supporting motivation

what are you trying to say at the end though? that is just a natural process of diversity in the world is it not? not everyone is meant to do something, most people have something they are better at than most things, so obviously they should do that.

im not saying anything about natural vs unnatural or right vs wrong or meaning vs absence of meaning. i am simply stating that humanity could breed people to do specific tasks better than they would otherwise