European phenotypes are not cold adapted - explanation of cephalic indexes for people who don't understand

[Deleted member 2157]

I don't understand where this thing started. They are adapted for temperate environments of forests/plains with cold winters and very low sunlight compared to most of the world. Most europeans are long limbed with short torsos like arabs are, some european populations (dinarics, some mediterraneans) even reach sub saharan levels of leg length. Brow ridges aren't a climate adaptation because any population can have them

This is the skull of an actual cold adapted population (inuit)

Another one of an east asian

Euro skull in comparison

Compare australian aboriginal

And now a native american from central mexico (not a cold place in any way)

It's clear that europeans have no specific cold adapted features in their faces at all and their features actually are more similar to aboriginals. Western, northern and southern europeans are also dolichocephalic/mesocephalic which is a feature for warm-hot climates. The balkans are an exception because dinaric people still have tall, long skulls, the back of their heads are just flat.
Brachycephaly is a trait better suited for the cold because it stores heat better, which also makes it easier to overheat with. Dolichocephalic people are vice versa.
Lighter = more dolichocephalic, darker = more brachycephalic

Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round, circular one, which is one of the reasons why you see people of african origin do pretty well with hits in fighting sports. Stop repeating retardation that brachycephaly is a somehow dominant adaptation designed for fighting.

 

[johncruz12345]

Whites are just mutated curries. Maybe thats why.

 

[Deleted member 2157]

Whites are just mutated curries. Maybe thats why.

No they aren't, indians didn't look like 99% of modern indians even 15k years ago

 

[LastGerman]

Cope.

 

[Deleted member 1751]

I don't understand where this thing started. They are adapted for temperate environments of forests/plains with cold winters and very low sunlight compared to most of the world. Most europeans are long limbed with short torsos like arabs are, some european populations (dinarics, some mediterraneans) even reach sub saharan levels of leg length. Brow ridges aren't a climate adaptation because any population can have them

This is the skull of an actual cold adapted population (inuit)
View attachment 692750
Another one of an east asian
View attachment 692759
Euro skull in comparison
View attachment 692760
Compare australian aboriginal
View attachment 692761
And now a native american from central mexico (not a cold place in any way)
View attachment 692773
It's clear that europeans have no specific cold adapted features in their faces at all and their features actually are more similar to aboriginals. Western, northern and southern europeans are also dolichocephalic/mesocephalic which is a feature for warm-hot climates. The balkans are an exception because dinaric people still have tall, long skulls, the back of their heads are just flat.
Brachycephaly is a trait better suited for the cold because it stores heat better, which also makes it easier to overheat with. Dolichocephalic people are vice versa.
Lighter = more dolichocephalic, darker = more brachycephalic
View attachment 692767
Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round, circular one, which is one of the reasons why you see people of african origin do pretty well with hits in fighting sports. Stop repeating retardation that brachycephaly is a somehow dominant adaptation designed for fighting.

Final thing you should think about;
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I think this whole skullshape thing is cope. Just have pronounced jawline and cheekbones also don't have extreme ratios

 

[Deleted member 1751]

No they aren't, indians didn't look like 99% of modern indians even 15k years ago

 

[Deleted member 2157]

All indians looked more like vedda people in sri lanka instead until middle easterners who spoke the dravidian languages migrated there even before the later indo-european migrations and nearly replaced them/mixed with them

 

[Deleted member 1751]

All indians looked more like vedda people in sri lanka instead until middle easterners who spoke the dravidian languages migrated there even before the later indo-european migrations and nearly replaced them/mixed with them

Yeah true. Indians nowadays are of different stock
Sentinel people from Andaman isles are the oldest inhabitants of India

Then came Australoids/ Veddoids

Then they mixed Iranian hunter gatherers to form Dravidian civilization ( also known as Ancestral South Indian aka ASI among anthro autists)

Then came Nomads from Central Asian steppes also known as Aryans/Ancestral North Indians (Ani)

Indians also had large migrations from different parts of the world. Turkic, Arabian, Persian, Greek, Scythian migration from Northwest via Punjab

Asian influence in eastern parts

Arabic/ Roman/ chinese migrations in western coast

 

[Deleted member 2157]

Yeah true. Indians nowadays are of different stock
Sentinel people from Andaman isles are the oldest inhabitants of India

Then came Australoids/ Veddoids

Then they mixed Iranian hunter gatherers to form Dravidian civilization ( also known as Ancestral South Indian aka ASI among anthro autists)

Then came Nomads from Central Asian steppes also known as Aryans/Ancestral North Indians (Ani)

Indians also had large migrations from different parts of the world. Turkic, Arabian, Persian, Greek, Scythian migration from Northwest via Punjab

Asian influence in eastern parts

Arabic/ Roman/ chinese migrations in western coast

Yep
Veddoids can't be called australoid imo, too different. All oceanians have quite a lot of denisovan DNA that no subset of indians have. Andamanese people were probably really widespread

 

[goat2x]

"Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round,"

average mma fighter

 

[Deleted member 1751]

Yep
Veddoids can't be called australoid imo, too different. All oceanians have quite a lot of denisovan DNA that no subset of indians have. Andamanese people were probably really widespread

Their people might have been attacked alot by other tribes . That may be the reason they don't mingle with others even now

 

[Deleted member 2157]

"Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round,"

average mma fighter
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He has a long, tall skull. He's dolichocephalic.

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

"Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round,"

average mma fighter
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High fighting success skull looks more dolicho than brachy. Well the bigonial width is definitely lower and the face is more oval-shaped, which seems more like dolicho traits.

 

[varbrah]

Of course they are. Even looking at something as simple as their high nasal roots indicates that this is the case, since this trait functionally elongates the airway and allows air to warm for a longer period of time before reaching the lungs.

And that’s not to mention orbital volume/globe projection, as well as soft tissue adaptations to the cold.

 

[Deleted member 2157]

Of course they are. Even looking at something as simple as their high nasal roots indicates that this is the case, since this trait functionally elongates the airway and allows air to warm for a longer period of time before reaching the lungs.

And that’s not to mention orbital volume/globe projection, as well as soft tissue adaptations to the cold.

High nasal roots are in papuans and middle easterners. Check the climate of those places.

Australian aboriginals also have compact orbitals, even moreso than most europeans
Soft tissue? Skin, yes. Inuits are real examples of cold adaptation, not northern europeans.

Europeans are just larger, depigmented middle easterners with more bone growth and angularity

 

[Deleted member 1476]

whites are tropical race

 

[Deleted member 2157]

whites are tropical race

nah temperate

 

[varbrah]

High nasal roots are in papuans and middle easterners. Check the climate of those places.

Australian aboriginals also have compact orbitals, even moreso than most europeans
Soft tissue? Skin, yes. Inuits are real examples of cold adaptation, not northern europeans.

Europeans are just larger, depigmented middle easterners with more bone growth and angularity

Papuans are an anomaly and a relatively small, isolated population. Most populations that evolved in warm weather climates do not have this trait.

And, non-semitic (indo-aryan descended) middle easterners are genetic relatives of Europeans.

Europeans are not ‘depigmented’ middle easterners either. Modern middle easterners are the product of intermixing between former predominantly indo-aryan levantine populations and arabs following the arab/islamic expansion.

You’re really reaching by using exceptional populations to try and disprove this. Also, who’s to say that a similar climatological evolutionary bottleneck didn’t occur for the Papuans and Abos resulting in the increased prevalence of those features? Or another type of evolutionary pressure selecting for similar traits?

 

[Deleted member 2157]

Papuans are an anomaly and a relatively small, isolated population. Most populations that evolved in warm weather climates do not have this trait.

And, non-semitic (indo-aryan descended) middle easterners are genetic relatives of Europeans.

Europeans are not ‘depigmented’ middle easterners either. Modern middle easterners are the product of intermixing between former predominantly indo-aryan levantine populations and arabs following the arab/islamic expansion.

You’re really reaching by using exceptional populations to try and disprove this. Also, who’s to say that a similar climatological evolutionary bottleneck didn’t occur for the Papuans and Abos resulting in the increased prevalence of those features? Or another type of evolutionary pressure selecting for similar traits?

Papuans are not a small population at all, there's well over 8 million of them and that's not counting the Melanesians with high nasal roots too.

All middle easterners are genetic relatives of europeans

No levantine population was indo-aryan, but both arabs and levantines are middle eastern anyways, just levantines are much more european-like.

Almost all archaic humans from the paleolithic have compact orbitals, sub saharan african subgroups do too.

 

[Gunna]

narrow pointy= gay

 

[varbrah]

Papuans are not a small population at all, there's well over 8 million of them and that's not counting the Melanesians with high nasal roots too.

Key word ‘relatively’.

All middle easterners are genetic relatives of europeans

With greater and lesser genetic distance.

No levantine population was indo-aryan

Wrong, Indo-Aryans migrated into and genetically dominated the Levant same as they did to Europe.

just levantines are much more european-like.

Due to significant Indo-European admixture vs. semitic/Arab admixture.

Almost all archaic humans from the paleolithic have compact orbitals, sub saharan african subgroups do too.

Due to proper craniofacial development. Compare globe position within the orbitals in individuals with similar degrees of development and you will find that the cold-adapted populations are more likely to have deeper-set eyes and soft tissue patterns designed to warm the globe and otherwise prevent frostbite.

Like Inuits, Europeans are cold adapted, but simply less so.

 

[Deleted member 2157]

narrow pointy= gay

Cope

Due to significant Indo-European admixture vs. semitic/Arab admixture.

Well, not necessarily. Ancient canaanites would've still been quite close to europeans genetically despite no indo-euro ancestry.

Wrong, Indo-Aryans migrated into and genetically dominated the Levant same as they did to Europe.

Only anatolia and later on the ruling class in Iraq, not the mainstream population.

With greater and lesser genetic distance.

Well even saudis are still relatively close to europeans.

cold-adapted populations are more likely to have deeper-set eyes

Arctic peoples and north east asians (the most cold adapted human beings) are the opposite of deep-set eyes in every way. Meanwhile many australoid populations have deep set eyes - it's not a good indicator.

 

[Gunna]

Cope

pointy and narrow = gay

 

[varbrah]

Well, not necessarily. Ancient canaanites would've still been quite close to europeans genetically despite no indo-euro ancestry.

Population genetics have shifted considerably since then, but fair point.

Well even saudis are still relatively close to europeans.

Not to the same degree. I know pure levantines who can pass for northwestern european.

Arctic peoples and north east asians (the most cold adapted human beings) are the opposite of deep-set eyes in every way. Meanwhile many australoid populations have deep set eyes - it's not a good indicator.

They do - very little exposure of the globe with nothing even resembling a negative orbital vector. As Asiatic peoples their brows and cheekbones simply lack the same kind of projection and angularity that europids have, giving the illusion of less deep set eyes. Their typically rounder orbits and soft tissue characteristics also contribute to the non-deep set appearance.

 

[Deleted member 2157]

pointy and narrow = gay

?? wide and soft just looks pathetic and docile like a fat manbaby

I know pure levantines who can pass for northwestern european.

Only light ones, and only sometimes because they still have levantine facial features

They do - very little exposure of the globe with nothing even resembling a negative orbital vector. As Asiatic peoples their brows and cheekbones simply lack the same kind of projection and angularity that europids have, giving the illusion of less deep set eyes. Their typically rounder orbits and soft tissue characteristics also contribute to the non-deep set appearance.

No ethnicity has actual show of the globe naturally, but for you reasons you've stated yourself Asians have far less deep set eyes. Many times there aren't any orbitals directly around their eyes which you can see from the side. Compare a nilotic guy for example - no brow ridge, very hot climate, still deeper set eyes than asians.

 

[JamesHowlett]

@Justbeconfidentsrs Would you know the ancestry/admixture of Indian/Pakistani Punjabi’s, curious to know as that’s where my family are from.

 

[Nautica]

Doesn't literally every race come from Africa?
There are Africans in the horn of Africa that have "European" features, and most east africans have softer features compared to west africans. So how are they even "European features"?

Also theres only three real races, Negroids, Cacausoids, and mongloids. This is based off skull shape I believe.

Correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Deleted member 2130]

I don't understand where this thing started. They are adapted for temperate environments of forests/plains with cold winters and very low sunlight compared to most of the world. Most europeans are long limbed with short torsos like arabs are, some european populations (dinarics, some mediterraneans) even reach sub saharan levels of leg length. Brow ridges aren't a climate adaptation because any population can have them

This is the skull of an actual cold adapted population (inuit)
View attachment 692750
Another one of an east asian
View attachment 692759
Euro skull in comparison
View attachment 692760
Compare australian aboriginal
View attachment 692761
And now a native american from central mexico (not a cold place in any way)
View attachment 692773
It's clear that europeans have no specific cold adapted features in their faces at all and their features actually are more similar to aboriginals. Western, northern and southern europeans are also dolichocephalic/mesocephalic which is a feature for warm-hot climates. The balkans are an exception because dinaric people still have tall, long skulls, the back of their heads are just flat.
Brachycephaly is a trait better suited for the cold because it stores heat better, which also makes it easier to overheat with. Dolichocephalic people are vice versa.
Lighter = more dolichocephalic, darker = more brachycephalic
View attachment 692767
Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round, circular one, which is one of the reasons why you see people of african origin do pretty well with hits in fighting sports. Stop repeating retardation that brachycephaly is a somehow dominant adaptation designed for fighting.

Blacks are good at fighting because they are fast and explosive, but many of them actually have weak punch resistance. Whites might not be better fighters, but they generally have better chins in combat sports. These guys are known to have the best punch resistance in boxing history, both were heavyweights, faced killers in the ring and took a lot of punches since they were mediocre fighters.

 

[Deleted member 2157]

Blacks are good at fighting because they are fast and explosive, but many of them actually have weak punch resistance. Whites might not be better fighters, but they generally have better chins in combat sports. These guys are known to have the best punch resistance in boxing history, both were heavyweights, faced killers in the ring and took a lot of punches since they were mediocre fighters.

Yep, wide zygos always serve as great padding, but hits to the head favor dolicho europeans and africans more

Also theres only three real races, Negroids, Cacausoids, and mongloids. This is based off skull shape I believe.

That's wrong, since multiple ethnicities don't really fit into those categories anyways. Khoisan don't look like typical africans at all, and australoids are their own separate category too. Pygmies aren't really like other africans at all, ainu are unique, native americans are unique etc

There are Africans in the horn of Africa that have "European" features, and most east africans have softer features compared to west africans. So how are they even "European features"?

They don't have european features, they're half middle eastern genetically on average in terms of ethiopians

 

[Deleted member 1751]

@Justbeconfidentsrs Would you know the ancestry/admixture of Indian/Pakistani Punjabi’s, curious to know as that’s where my family are from.

I read this somewhere I'll send you the link when i get it. . Punjab had lot's of migrations from Western Asia/ Europe etc. I'd say Punjabis are 60% Ani 30% Asi and 10% others like Turkish/ Arabic/ Greek etc

 

[Deleted member 1751]

@Justbeconfidentsrs Would you know the ancestry/admixture of Indian/Pakistani Punjabi’s, curious to know as that’s where my family are from.

I read this somewhere I'll send you the link when i get it. . Punjab had lot's of migrations from Western Asia/ Europe etc. I'd say Punjabis are 60% Ani 30% Asi and 10% others like Turkish/ Arabic/ Greek etc

 

[Nautica]

Yep, wide zygos always serve as great padding, but hits to the head favor dolicho europeans and africans more

That's wrong, since multiple ethnicities don't really fit into those categories anyways. Khoisan don't look like typical africans at all, and australoids are their own separate category too. Pygmies aren't really like other africans at all, ainu are unique, native americans are unique etc

They don't have european features, they're half middle eastern genetically on average in terms of ethiopians

What does a "typical" african look like? A stereotypical dark skinned guy with a wide huge nose and big lips? Because thats not true, at all, and those traits mostly belong to western Africans, and even then thats not how all of them look. You do realize theres like 1000s of different african ethnicties right?

 

[Deleted member 2157]

What does a "typical" african look like? A stereotypical dark skinned guy with a wide huge nose and big lips? Because thats not true, at all, and those traits mostly belong to western Africans, and even then thats not how all of them look. You do realize theres like 1000s of different african ethnicties right?

Well sub saharan africans definitely have uniquely fleshy lips. All africans have those traits. I do realize that btw

 

[Deleted member 2157]

@Chintuck22

 

[SkinjobCatastrophe]

Yeah they are adapted for europe, colder than africa but obviously not as cold as the tundra that the Inuits live in or the frozen steppe that the east asians evolved in. Europeans have many specific traits for living in the cold environments in europe, some of them a bit more extreme than others. I fail to see how they have no cold adapted features in their face. For example they have a bone structure through their nasal passages that allows air to be warmed more efficiently than any africans.

 

[reptiles]

I read this somewhere I'll send you the link when i get it. . Punjab had lot's of migrations from Western Asia/ Europe etc. I'd say Punjabis are 60% Ani 30% Asi and 10% others like Turkish/ Arabic/ Greek etc

Turkish greek or arab ? the hell i've never heard of that most of the west eurasian ancestry is steppe emba+ Khoita hunter gather

 

[reptiles]

All indians looked more like vedda people in sri lanka instead until middle easterners who spoke the dravidian languages migrated there even before the later indo-european migrations and nearly replaced them/mixed with them

I'm fascinated by all this tbqh. From what i'm aware indians only have 3 components.

ASI (70 percent) a distant relative to the onge which is a distant relative to Abo and 30 percent Neolithic iranian my guess is the best proxy is CHG (30 percent)

Plus ANI (30 percent steppe_mlba) + 70 percent (CHG)

And most are like 50 to 60 percent ANI the rest is ASI which is basically a distant relative of a distant relative crazy to fucking think but it's interesting the ASI component though was fucking disgusting to the Curry climates. Northern euro climates seem Ideal even european neantherthal looked pretty decent tbqh.

 

[Deleted member 2157]

I'm fascinated by all this tbqh. From what i'm aware indians only have 3 components.

ASI (70 percent) a distant relative to the onge which is a distant relative to Abo and 30 percent Neolithic iranian my guess is the best proxy is CHG (30 percent)

Plus ANI (30 percent steppe_mlba) + 70 percent (CHG)

And most are like 50 to 60 percent ANI the rest is ASI which is basically a distant relative of a distant relative crazy to fucking think but it's interesting the ASI component though was fucking disgusting to the Curry climates. Northern euro climates seem Ideal even european neantherthal looked pretty decent tbqh.

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ASI isn't really australoid at all, just onge-like + middle eastern, but yeah indans mostly just have 3

 

[Deleted member 2157]

Yeah they are adapted for europe, colder than africa but obviously not as cold as the tundra that the Inuits live in or the frozen steppe that the east asians evolved in. Europeans have many specific traits for living in the cold environments in europe, some of them a bit more extreme than others. I fail to see how they have no cold adapted features in their face. For example they have a bone structure through their nasal passages that allows air to be warmed more efficiently than any africans.

Yeah but middle easterners/north africans and natives of papua new guinea have those high bridged noses too

 

[6’1cel]

Whites are just mutated curries. Maybe thats why.

no

 

[6’1cel]

I don't understand where this thing started. They are adapted for temperate environments of forests/plains with cold winters and very low sunlight compared to most of the world. Most europeans are long limbed with short torsos like arabs are, some european populations (dinarics, some mediterraneans) even reach sub saharan levels of leg length. Brow ridges aren't a climate adaptation because any population can have them

This is the skull of an actual cold adapted population (inuit)
View attachment 692750
Another one of an east asian
View attachment 692759
Euro skull in comparison
View attachment 692760
Compare australian aboriginal
View attachment 692761
And now a native american from central mexico (not a cold place in any way)
View attachment 692773
It's clear that europeans have no specific cold adapted features in their faces at all and their features actually are more similar to aboriginals. Western, northern and southern europeans are also dolichocephalic/mesocephalic which is a feature for warm-hot climates. The balkans are an exception because dinaric people still have tall, long skulls, the back of their heads are just flat.
Brachycephaly is a trait better suited for the cold because it stores heat better, which also makes it easier to overheat with. Dolichocephalic people are vice versa.
Lighter = more dolichocephalic, darker = more brachycephalic
View attachment 692767
Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round, circular one, which is one of the reasons why you see people of african origin do pretty well with hits in fighting sports. Stop repeating retardation that brachycephaly is a somehow dominant adaptation designed for fighting.

wtf does your skullshape have to do with how adapted you are to the cold

 

[johncruz12345]

no

We are all mutated Africans

 

[Mr.cope]

No
Caucasian noses are actually slimmer because of cold environment

 

[Deleted member 2157]

No
Caucasian noses are actually slimmer because of cold environment

asian noses are too

 

[horizontallytall]

Blacks are good at fighting because they are fast and explosive, but many of them actually have weak punch resistance. Whites might not be better fighters, but they generally have better chins in combat sports. These guys are known to have the best punch resistance in boxing history, both were heavyweights, faced killers in the ring and took a lot of punches since they were mediocre fighters.

Stipe miocic

 

[Xangsane]

I don't understand where this thing started. They are adapted for temperate environments of forests/plains with cold winters and very low sunlight compared to most of the world. Most europeans are long limbed with short torsos like arabs are, some european populations (dinarics, some mediterraneans) even reach sub saharan levels of leg length. Brow ridges aren't a climate adaptation because any population can have them

This is the skull of an actual cold adapted population (inuit)
View attachment 692750
Another one of an east asian
View attachment 692759
Euro skull in comparison
View attachment 692760
Compare australian aboriginal
View attachment 692761
And now a native american from central mexico (not a cold place in any way)
View attachment 692773
It's clear that europeans have no specific cold adapted features in their faces at all and their features actually are more similar to aboriginals. Western, northern and southern europeans are also dolichocephalic/mesocephalic which is a feature for warm-hot climates. The balkans are an exception because dinaric people still have tall, long skulls, the back of their heads are just flat.
Brachycephaly is a trait better suited for the cold because it stores heat better, which also makes it easier to overheat with. Dolichocephalic people are vice versa.
Lighter = more dolichocephalic, darker = more brachycephalic
View attachment 692767
Also, brachycephaly isn't a fighting trait at all - it's the opposite if anything. Dolichocephalic skulls take hits better because a more oval, long shape disperses force better than a round, circular one, which is one of the reasons why you see people of african origin do pretty well with hits in fighting sports. Stop repeating retardation that brachycephaly is a somehow dominant adaptation designed for fighting.

@looksmaxxer2