Even normies know they are *almost* Incel

[Brandon10]

I agree with the correlation between porn and ED. but that doesnt translate to shitty sex. shitty sex means you need to get an erection to begin with so if you cant, that sexual encounter is gonna stop before it starts. never in my life have i heard of there being ultra common frequencies of men's penises not getting up. i would think i would hear about this being constantly talked about or at least referenced commonly in pop culture or media.

so i dont think ED is correlated with shitty sex. your take?

okay so the main gripe here seems to be that you think chads get less sex because of women not wanting to risk getting shitty sex, while we think its because women's standards have risen. this seems to be the crux of the differences between us

Sexual experience of female partners of men with erectile dysfunction: the female experience of men's attitudes to life events and sexuality (FEMALES) study - PubMed

Erectile dysfunction has significant adverse effects on the female partner's sexual experience. Women with partners who were currently using PDE5 inhibitors had a more satisfying sexual experience than those whose partners did not use a PDE5 inhibitor.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Women reported engaging in sexual activity significantly less frequently after their partner developed ED in comparison with before (P < 0.001). Moreover, significantly fewer women experienced sexual desire, arousal, or orgasm "almost always" or "most times," and significantly fewer women reported satisfaction with their sexual relationship after their partner developed ED, compared with before (P < 0.001). Decreases in female sexual satisfaction and frequency of orgasm were significantly related to the male partner's self-reported severity of ED (P < 0.01). The proportion of women who experienced sexual desire, arousal, and orgasm "almost always" or "most times" was significantly higher in the group whose partners were currently using a PDE5 inhibitor (P < 0.05).

 

[GenericChad1444]

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[MammothActuary]

So porn is fucking up men's dick functionality, do you accept that at least? Which leads to them having shitty sex with women > So more women are having even more shittier sex experience > they will not bother risking having sex with most men, whether they are Chad or not.

This is bullshit. Females have more sexual partners now compared to anytime in history. They are having more sex, not less sex. And how do you explain the fact that female sexlessness has barely risen.

 

[Brandon10]

okay so the main gripe here seems to be that you think chads get less sex because of women not wanting to risk getting shitty sex, while we think its because women's standards have risen. this seems to be the crux of the differences between us

People with truly attractive western traits will always be attractive, that is very unlikely to change.

Would be still attractive if he was born in the 40s, the same if he was born in 2070s.

He would probably get lots of matches but the ones who wouldn't match him or would match and ghost him would do for the reasons I believe & stated above.

 

[MammothActuary]

I agree with the correlation between porn and ED. but that doesnt translate to shitty sex. shitty sex means you need to get an erection to begin with so if you cant, that sexual encounter is gonna stop before it starts. never in my life have i heard of there being ultra common frequencies of men's penises not getting up. i would think i would hear about this being constantly talked about or at least referenced commonly in pop culture or media.

so i dont think ED is correlated with shitty sex. your take?

okay so the main gripe here seems to be that you think chads get less sex because of women not wanting to risk getting shitty sex, while we think its because women's standards have risen. this seems to be the crux of the differences between us

Chads get more sex than ever before because of the theory of hypergamy. What are you talking about?

 

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Sexual experience of female partners of men with erectile dysfunction: the female experience of men's attitudes to life events and sexuality (FEMALES) study - PubMed

Erectile dysfunction has significant adverse effects on the female partner's sexual experience. Women with partners who were currently using PDE5 inhibitors had a more satisfying sexual experience than those whose partners did not use a PDE5 inhibitor.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the main issue i take with that is its referring to partners, not casual sexual encounters.

scenario 1:

girl in relationship
man develops ED
girl is discouraged to try because: she feels like its her fault, ED is a mood killer, she doesnt wanna be disappointed, etc

result: doesnt initiate sex


the issue with this is that they dont want to engage in sex with a person they know they will have an issue with

the key is that they KNOW that the sex has a higher probability of being bad, thus they dont engage

with someone knew, they are more likely to FIND OUT if the sex will be good and bad

i bet most of the time, even if a girl has consistent bad CASUAL sex, she will STILL be open to FINDING OUT with each SPECIFIC SCENARIO/PERSON

 

[Blackout.xl]

Sexual experience of female partners of men with erectile dysfunction: the female experience of men's attitudes to life events and sexuality (FEMALES) study - PubMed

Erectile dysfunction has significant adverse effects on the female partner's sexual experience. Women with partners who were currently using PDE5 inhibitors had a more satisfying sexual experience than those whose partners did not use a PDE5 inhibitor.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Bro I got no beef with you, but what you’re saying rn is low IQ.

Women are pickier nowadays, this is a fact. With dating apps like OkCupid and tinder, they can filter out low quality scraps and they don’t have to interact with them whatsoever. They can instead just target good looking high quality men. This is evidenced with the 80/20 rule that was confirmed by OkCupid statistics. Or the other statistics that people posted on this thread.

The surge of sexless men isn’t down to porn either, wtf? Porn has been prevalent in society since the early 2000’s. The surge of incels only began at around 2011/12, which is the same time that hookup apps like tinder took off and became a regular part of hookup culture.

 

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People with truly attractive western traits will always be attractive, that is very unlikely to change.

Would be still attractive if he was born in the 40s, the same if he was born in 2070s.

He would probably get lots of matches but the ones who wouldn't match him or would match and ghost him would do for the reasons I believe & stated above.

of course, he is objectively attractive

BUT attraction is also RELATIVE. for example, if the best looking man in a small village is a PSL 5, he is a CHAD because the women dont know any better. with globalization, the internet, social media, tinder, etc etc etc, women are CONSTANTLY looking at BEAUTIFUL MEN thus subconsciously raising their standards. they look at those ideal men and then look back at the men in their life and see the vast difference. thus this leads them to just simply not engage with those individuals.

now the reason why objective chads dont get laid sometimes is moreso a woman can just get as much sex as she wants. she has too many options thus doesnt feel the NEED to be with chad. she probably has more boys shes talking to. ultimately, when you have a vast amount of options, you are more likely to dismiss them (chad or not) over LITERALLY ANYTHING. too far away? next. dont like his bio? next. she was having a bad day? next. etc etc etc

Chads get more sex than ever before because of the theory of hypergamy. What are you talking about?

they do due to sheer amount of options rather than hypergamy

someone made a point where its getting harder even for chads and my post is my explanation for that

 

[Brandon10]

of course, he is objectively attractive

BUT attraction is also RELATIVE. for example, if the best looking man in a small village is a PSL 5, he is a CHAD because the women dont know any better. with globalization, the internet, social media, tinder, etc etc etc, women are CONSTANTLY looking at BEAUTIFUL MEN thus subconsciously raising their standards. they look at those ideal men and then look back at the men in their life and see the vast difference. thus this leads them to just simply not engage with those individuals.

now the reason why objective chads dont get laid sometimes is moreso a woman can just get as much sex as she wants. she has too many options thus doesnt feel the NEED to be with chad. she probably has more boys shes talking to. ultimately, when you have a vast amount of options, you are more likely to dismiss them (chad or not) over LITERALLY ANYTHING. too far away? next. dont like his bio? next. she was having a bad day? next. etc etc etc

Though I'm not entirely sure about the further "westernization" of standards through dating apps (there's a huge debate on research whether attractiveness is purely biological or is affected significantly by the means you mentioned) I agree with what you said about matching with Chads, it becomes kind of pointless to fuck with all them once they've matched with too many.

I think the reason I got triggered was cause OP went ahead to equate people having less sex with incels. This is very important and is entirely different than having no sex at all which is what hardcore incels are.

 

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Though I'm not entirely sure about the further "westernization" of standards through dating apps (there's a huge debate on research whether attractiveness is purely biological or is affected significantly by the means you mentioned) I agree with what you said about matching with Chads, it becomes kind of pointless to fuck with all them once they've matched with too many.

I think the reason I got triggered was cause OP went ahead to equate people having less sex with incels. This is very important and is entirely different than having no sex at all which is what hardcore incels are.

fair enough, OP was wrong in that regard. but to be fair he said "almost" and also the word incel's meaning has become looser. people just call people who dont have much sex incel, or as an insult, etc.

basically i think it was just a matter of semantics and misunderstanding

im sure all of us can agree that sex, incel or not, is harder to get than it used to be.

 

[Brandon10]

im sure all of us can agree that sex, incel or not, is harder to get than it used to be.

I agreed with that from my first post actually, I just erroneously assumed all of you were talking about zero sex amongst almost all men.

the main issue i take with that is its referring to partners, not casual sexual encounters.

scenario 1:

girl in relationship
man develops ED
girl is discouraged to try because: she feels like its her fault, ED is a mood killer, she doesnt wanna be disappointed, etc

result: doesnt initiate sex


the issue with this is that they dont want to engage in sex with a person they know they will have an issue with

the key is that they KNOW that the sex has a higher probability of being bad, thus they dont engage

with someone knew, they are more likely to FIND OUT if the sex will be good and bad

i bet most of the time, even if a girl has consistent bad CASUAL sex, she will STILL be open to FINDING OUT with each SPECIFIC SCENARIO/PERSON

It will be even worse when it's someone they're meeting with for the first time. Yes there will be an initiative for sex and an actual sexual encounter but it will probably be a bad experience due to ED. OTOH a partner is more likely to be more forgiving to their own one.

 

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I agreed with that from my first post actually, I just erroneously assumed all of you were talking about zero sex amongst almost all men.


It will be even worse when it's with someone they're meeting for the first time. Yes there will be an initiative for sex and actual sexual encounter but it will probably be a bad experience due to ED. OTOH a partner is more likely to be more forgiving to their own one.

but i dont think that bad encounter of casual sex would be enough to off-put them from casual sex altogether, imo

 

[KrissKross]

The inceldom rate has tripled in 10 years. So suddenly in a span of 10 years, three times as many men's dicks suddenly don't function?
Tinder has nothing to do with it?



I don't even watch porn you dumbfuck.

Most brutal graphs and stats I’ve seen in a while. Im scheduling a roping appointment in for next week