Ever since lurking truecel left this is the worst forum

[ReccesedSlavic]

What’s the point

 

[NPCcell]

Why did he leave?

 

[Assymetry]

Giant glaze is essential to this forum

 

[AustrianMogger]

What’s the point

I am still here little boy

 

[koops]

Revision rhino ascended him too hard, a 7.5PSL gigamogger has no place among us. Does a god walk amongst his followers? No

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

So the faggot dude, sucked off giant a scam artist with shit designs, and destroyed his midface? All while being an absolute cunt, that guy?

Yeah i'm good w/o him. He provided absolutely no value.

 

[BM7]

The forum's average IQ skyrocketed from 70 to 130 the moment he left.

 

[gasping]

LOL I’d only read the shit he typed. Everything else garbage

 

[Jgns]

So the faggot dude, sucked off giant a scam artist with shit designs, and destroyed his midface? All while being an absolute cunt, that guy?

Yeah i'm good w/o him. He provided absolutely no value.

Wait how did he deatroy his midface thats interesting. I’m scared i might destroy mine any tips on what happened with him

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Wait how did he deatroy his midface thats interesting. I’m scared i might destroy mine any tips on what happened with him

They very infra's he argued with me for MONTHS, that he claimed would not destroy his midface. He then later admited the infras fucked up his midface and made it saggy.

You obviously do not have signatures on. If you did it all be explained.

 

[Jgns]

They very infra's he argued with me for MONTHS, that he claimed would not destroy his midface. He then later admited the infras fucked up his midface and made it saggy.

You obviously do not have signatures on. If you did it all be explained.

I’m sorry I’m on my phone rn so things aren’t popping up mb but is there any way to not have infras destroy the midface or is it a given with them. And would malar implants (for a sharper high cheekbone effect) cause the same effect or is the dropdown an infra only issue irregardless of the technique.

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Feb 1

 

[Jgns]

They very infra's he argued with me for MONTHS, that he claimed would not destroy his midface. He then later admited the infras fucked up his midface and made it saggy.

You obviously do not have signatures on. If you did it all be explained.

Never mind just flipped the screen thats so brtal

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I’m sorry I’m on my phone rn so things aren’t popping up mb but is there any way to not have infras destroy the midface or is it a given with them. And would malar implants (for a sharper high cheekbone effect) cause the same effect or is the dropdown an infra only issue irregardless of the technique.

No worries, I posted a thesis on this in @Acquiescence thread about what I think is causing it, and how to possibly avoid it.

Obviously what would actually happen is unknown but I might end up doing it myself. I have neutral to slightly negative orbital vector, so its not really necessary but at the same time it would look a lot better if the saggy mid face issue can be avoided. Hence why I put a decent amount of time in to trying to resolve the saggy infra mid-face issue.

I'm very open to feedback/questions ect as long as they understand the thesis. Unlike the one retard that posted that could not comprehend a picture for illustrations, that the issue is one of a relative placement of tissues pre vs post op. Instead of some kind of absolute placement, like you'd need to assess for lefort/jaw surgery.

 

[billyxxx]

No worries, I posted a thesis on this in @Acquiescence thread about what I think is causing it, and how to possibly avoid it.

Obviously what would actually happen is unknown but I might end up doing it myself. I have neutral to slightly negative orbital vector, so its not really necessary but at the same time it would look a lot better if the saggy mid face issue can be avoided. Hence why I put a decent amount of time in to trying to resolve the saggy infra mid-face issue.

I'm very open to feedback/questions ect as long as they understand the thesis. Unlike the one retard that posted that could not comprehend a picture for illustrations, that the issue is one of a relative placement of tissues pre vs post op. Instead of some kind of absolute placement, like you'd need to assess for lefort/jaw surgery.

I still don't understand why you don't think a midface lift would directly solve the issue (along with a conservative implant thickness and broad a coverage as possible). I think @chrishell knows his shit tbh. Giant said the exact same thing and as much as you wan't to clown on him he does have direct experience with many infra cases.

 

[chrishell]

I still don't understand why you don't think a midface lift would directly solve the issue (along with a conservative implant thickness and broad a coverage as possible). I think @chrishell knows his shit tbh. Giant said the exact same thing and as much as you wan't to clown on him he does have direct experience with many infra cases.

I have blocked whoever you are quoting

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I still don't understand why you don't think a midface lift would directly solve the issue (along with a conservative implant thickness and broad a coverage as possible). I think @chrishell knows his shit tbh. Giant said the exact same thing and as much as you wan't to clown on him he does have direct experience with many infra cases.

When I look at before and after's 1 yearish out, they just don't look great.

So what is the issue causing that? IDK but I see a host of potential problems with midface lifts. First off where is the skin resection? Mid face lifts don't have these since they are typically endoscopic vs typical face lift approaches other then near the huge ass incision starting around the tragus. Doing plication with endoscopic undereye approach seems also impossible/unlikely. You can detach resect & reattach the zygomatic ligament deep plain style with an endoscope, but generally deep planes are very extended and involve a lot of plain dissection and corisponding redraping. Endoscopes are good for somethings, but I don't really think its a great tool for that. Conversely you could try and raw dog it which I find unlikely and still approach via the undereye with just your hands, but I think that be way worse. Its one thing to place an implant in that manner but carefully resecting the zygomatic ligament would seem not possible without the endoscope.

Some surgeons though seem to be placing actual medical anchoring devices into the maxilla and so they have an easy spot to reattach the tissue. In that case they then are neither doing plication or resecting the zygoma ligament. Nor are they sufficiently removing and redraping the skin. It's like doing a tummy tuck where you just resech a tiny bit of skin and lipo. Not really a tummy tuck at that point.

Then add to the fact that these are just not preformed that much compared to a full facelift, so actual skill/experience of the surgeon is likely way less.

Ideally when you get a facelift at a minimum, you should do necklift + facelift + temporal lift. Doing this allows you to adjust the muscle and skin as a whole massive unit. VS a mid-facelift where maybe your not even really lifting the midface, just tacking it up to some screws.

There is also a general rule with plastic surgery, if you get a miniaturized or less invasive procedure then the standard, the results are significantly worse, regardless of which bastardized procedure your doing. Hence minimum tucks or even closed rhinoplasties are good proxys. People like closed rhinoplasties since they heal quick, but almost no surgeons do them(unless their are minor issues) since they are obviously more difficult.

But like I mentioned there not done anywhere as much as a typical facelift. In orgs case its for a hyper specific and unnatural reason too. So it's hard to be certain if this can or cannot properly address the post-infra induce saggy midface. But I don't think so.

 

[vermicel]

Stop crying about Lurking T. ; he frequently self-bans and eventually comes back. He hasn't deleted his account, so there's no particular reason to freak out.

The level has objectively dropped since he left 3 weeks ago, but he is not the sole reason for that ; other knowledgeable users seem to have retreated to Discord at the same time (LT might be there too).

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

Giant glaze is essential to this forum

Real

 

[Jesus_ist_König]

experience

A fishing and a boat license

 

[BlackOctopus]

Stop crying about Lurking T. ; he frequently self-bans and eventually comes back. He hasn't deleted his account, so there's no particular reason to freak out.

The level has objectively dropped since he left 3 weeks ago, but he is not the sole reason for that ; other knowledgeable users seem to have retreated to Discord at the same time (LT might be there too).

On what discord server are they retreating to?

 

[billyxxx]

When I look at before and after's 1 yearish out, they just don't look great.

So what is the issue causing that? IDK but I see a host of potential problems with midface lifts. First off where is the skin resection? Mid face lifts don't have these since they are typically endoscopic vs typical face lift approaches other then near the huge ass incision starting around the tragus. Doing plication with endoscopic undereye approach seems also impossible/unlikely. You can detach resect & reattach the zygomatic ligament deep plain style with an endoscope, but generally deep planes are very extended and involve a lot of plain dissection and corisponding redraping. Endoscopes are good for somethings, but I don't really think its a great tool for that. Conversely you could try and raw dog it which I find unlikely and still approach via the undereye with just your hands, but I think that be way worse. Its one thing to place an implant in that manner but carefully resecting the zygomatic ligament would seem not possible without the endoscope.

Some surgeons though seem to be placing actual medical anchoring devices into the maxilla and so they have an easy spot to reattach the tissue. In that case they then are neither doing plication or resecting the zygoma ligament. Nor are they sufficiently removing and redraping the skin. It's like doing a tummy tuck where you just resech a tiny bit of skin and lipo. Not really a tummy tuck at that point.

Then add to the fact that these are just not preformed that much compared to a full facelift, so actual skill/experience of the surgeon is likely way less.

Ideally when you get a facelift at a minimum, you should do necklift + facelift + temporal lift. Doing this allows you to adjust the muscle and skin as a whole massive unit. VS a mid-facelift where maybe your not even really lifting the midface, just tacking it up to some screws.

There is also a general rule with plastic surgery, if you get a miniaturized or less invasive procedure then the standard, the results are significantly worse, regardless of which bastardized procedure your doing. Hence minimum tucks or even closed rhinoplasties are good proxys. People like closed rhinoplasties since they heal quick, but almost no surgeons do them(unless their are minor issues) since they are obviously more difficult.

But like I mentioned there not done anywhere as much as a typical facelift. In orgs case its for a hyper specific and unnatural reason too. So it's hard to be certain if this can or cannot properly address the post-infra induce saggy midface. But I don't think so.

I’m not sure how many true implant + midface-lift cases you’ve actually seen at 1+ years, where are you seeing those lol. But mechanically, a midface lift is the most direct answer to the problem we’re discussing: infra/malar implants require subperiosteal degloving, and the risk is that the midface soft-tissue envelope heals lower. A midface lift is specifically meant to reposition/suspend descended malar/SOOF/orbicularis midface tissue. That concept even evolved partly from managing soft-tissue descent after facial fracture fixation, so it’s not random.

Also, I don’t see why plication is required here. The goal is not a facelift-style SMAS plication or skin excision; the goal is release + resuspension/fixation of the midface envelope. Skin resection is not the main issue in a young implant patient.

I agree surgeon skill matters and implant + lift is niche, but midface lifts themselves are not some unheard-of procedure. They’re recognized through multiple approaches: subperiosteal, endoscopic, subciliary, MACS/deep-plane adjuncts, etc. The real question is whether the surgeon is doing a true controlled resuspension or just closing the pocket and hoping it heals well.

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

I’m not sure how many true implant + midface-lift cases you’ve actually seen at 1+ years, where are you seeing those lol.

I'm not really i'm just seeing midface lifts before and after. It's a fair point but I'm going to judge it by the before vs after I've seen. Instead of ascribing its somehow better when an implants involved.

But mechanically, a midface lift is the most direct answer to the problem we’re discussing: infra/malar implants require subperiosteal degloving, and the risk is that the midface soft-tissue envelope heals lower.

I've heard many surgeons who do midface lifts say the same thing. It's not without any basis. It's just without, in my view, sufficient results. I tend to look at this claim, the same as when surgeons brand their facelift, then claim it's better. They might even be able to explain theoretically why what they do is better, maybe there even right. That however does not mean their results are better, if you have to brand a facelift you are probably 3rd rate surgeon.

One thing I notice here though, is you seem to be conceptualizing that the implant and lift are being done at the same time. Perhaps if that we're the case it would be better. But as far as I know, people on org are just getting implants other then @midfacedeficient. Who I believe got a full face lift?

Also, I don’t see why plication is required here.

It's not, since you do not have to even do plication for a facelift. However if we're going through comparing why i think face lifts produce better results, then it makes sense to rule out the most commonly used technique to do a face lift.

They’re recognized through multiple approaches: subperiosteal, endoscopic, subciliary, MACS/deep-plane adjuncts, etc. The real question is whether the surgeon is doing a true controlled resuspension or just closing the pocket and hoping it heals well.

Well as I went through in my prior post but i'll make it more point summarily. You simply are not going to get the same amount of tissue mobilization or dissection, even in the midface. Regardless of approach. You cannot even re-drape the skin. While you can argue that re-draping skin won't matter in some 25 year old w/ an implant. The point remains you do not get the same level of mobilization, dissection, or resection even in the mid face.

Again you will absolutely get a much better facelift, if you also do a neck lift and temporal lift with it. You also get a better neck lift, then if you only did a neck lift. It simply provides much better mobilization when you treat it as a whole unit.

The midface lift, is not an unheared of procedure I agree. Just like mini-tummy tucks are not unheard of.

 

[billyxxx]

I'm not really i'm just seeing midface lifts before and after. It's a fair point but I'm going to judge it by the before vs after I've seen. Instead of ascribing its somehow better when an implants involved.


I've heard many surgeons who do midface lifts say the same thing. It's not without any basis. It's just without, in my view, sufficient results. I tend to look at this claim, the same as when surgeons brand their facelift, then claim it's better. They might even be able to explain theoretically why what they do is better, maybe there even right. That however does not mean their results are better, if you have to brand a facelift you are probably 3rd rate surgeon.

One thing I notice here though, is you seem to be conceptualizing that the implant and lift are being done at the same time. Perhaps if that we're the case it would be better. But as far as I know, people on org are just getting implants other then @midfacedeficient. Who I believe got a full face lift?


It's not, since you do not have to even do plication for a facelift. However if we're going through comparing why i think face lifts produce better results, then it makes sense to rule out the most commonly used technique to do a face lift.


Well as I went through in my prior post but i'll make it more point summarily. You simply are not going to get the same amount of tissue mobilization or dissection, even in the midface. Regardless of approach. You cannot even re-drape the skin. While you can argue that re-draping skin won't matter in some 25 year old w/ an implant. The point remains you do not get the same level of mobilization, dissection, or resection even in the mid face.

Again you will absolutely get a much better facelift, if you also do a neck lift and temporal lift with it. You also get a better neck lift, then if you only did a neck lift. It simply provides much better mobilization when you treat it as a whole unit.

The midface lift, is not an unheared of procedure I agree. Just like mini-tummy tucks are not unheard of.

Yes I was thinking that they would be done at the same time because it was standard practice for yaremchuk and now apparently giant does it along side all his midface implant cases, and designs the implants with anchoring holes for this purpose. I guess I see your point that it is not as strong as a facelift which I’m not as familiar with but doesn’t it mostly target the jowls and lower cheek area rather than the upper midface which is the area of issue when discussing inframalar implants? Is there a modified deep plane facelift technique that specifically targets this area that you are aware of ? I guess I’m not seeing the point of neck lift for addressing upper midface sagging. What is your opinion on giant btw? To me despite all the memes he still honestly seems to be the best implant designer, especially looking at his more recent designs which seem to more naturally conform to the morphology of the skull rather than his designs a few years back

 

[midfacedeficient]

But as far as I know, people on org are just getting implants other then @midfacedeficient. Who I believe got a full face lift?

nope and my mid face is absolutely saggy i'm planning on a mid face lift early next year. i don't want a full face lift because i hate when they pull the eyebrows up and make those soulless snowbunny eyes

 

[Rick_bozo]

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[billyxxx]

nope and my mid face is absolutely saggy i'm planning on a mid face lift early next year. i don't want a full face lift because i hate when they pull the eyebrows up and make those soulless snowbunny eyes

I’ve been following your posts, greatly respect the efforts you made to document your journey, great results btw. Does comert seem confident that a midface lift will address the issue? I’m considering doing my bimax + implants with him and giant who specifically called out that comert was good at lifting techniques

 

[midfacedeficient]

I’ve been following your posts, greatly respect the efforts you made to document your journey, great results btw. Does comert seem confident that a midface lift will address the issue? I’m considering doing my bimax + implants with him and giant who specifically called out that comert was good at lifting techniques

yeah mehmet thinks a facelift and fat grafting is best for my case, but i personally think i need paranasals also. i just started resting my next round with him so will see. he does a million face lifts though so he probably knows whats best

 

[gasping]

They very infra's he argued with me for MONTHS, that he claimed would not destroy his midface. He then later admited the infras fucked up his midface and made it saggy.

You obviously do not have signatures on. If you did it all be explained.

U think fat grafting ok for infras?

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

U think fat grafting ok for infras?

Yeah fat grafting is fine in general and ontop of implants if you have them. It's fairly high ROI.

 

[lurking truecel]

I'm not really i'm just seeing midface lifts before and after. It's a fair point but I'm going to judge it by the before vs after I've seen. Instead of ascribing its somehow better when an implants involved.


I've heard many surgeons who do midface lifts say the same thing. It's not without any basis. It's just without, in my view, sufficient results. I tend to look at this claim, the same as when surgeons brand their facelift, then claim it's better. They might even be able to explain theoretically why what they do is better, maybe there even right. That however does not mean their results are better, if you have to brand a facelift you are probably 3rd rate surgeon.

One thing I notice here though, is you seem to be conceptualizing that the implant and lift are being done at the same time. Perhaps if that we're the case it would be better. But as far as I know, people on org are just getting implants other then @midfacedeficient. Who I believe got a full face lift?


It's not, since you do not have to even do plication for a facelift. However if we're going through comparing why i think face lifts produce better results, then it makes sense to rule out the most commonly used technique to do a face lift.


Well as I went through in my prior post but i'll make it more point summarily. You simply are not going to get the same amount of tissue mobilization or dissection, even in the midface. Regardless of approach. You cannot even re-drape the skin. While you can argue that re-draping skin won't matter in some 25 year old w/ an implant. The point remains you do not get the same level of mobilization, dissection, or resection even in the mid face.

Again you will absolutely get a much better facelift, if you also do a neck lift and temporal lift with it. You also get a better neck lift, then if you only did a neck lift. It simply provides much better mobilization when you treat it as a whole unit.

The midface lift, is not an unheared of procedure I agree. Just like mini-tummy tucks are not unheard of.

should have wrnt to gunson for some hydroxipaste