every behavior can be argued to be dumb

[_MVP_]

example:

doing crime is dumb, since risk cannot fully be eliminated and u might land in jail
making money is dumb cuz working for it makes u feel bad and costs time
Studying hard is dumb because life is short; not studying is dumb because future-you pays the price.
Taking risks is dumb because you might fail; playing it safe is dumb because you miss opportunities.
Acting in self-interest is dumb because it harms others; acting altruistically is dumb because you’re being exploited.
approaching women is dumb cuz rejection is inevitable and hurts
not approaching women is dumb cuz u will remain incel


etc
etc

everything has pros and cons

no matter what u do i can present u cons o doing it, i can argue it is dumb

 

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no matter what u do i can present u cons o doing it, i can argue it is dumb

being smart

 

[_MVP_]

What you’re circling around already has a name and a structure. You’re basically describing symmetrical pessimism: for any action AAA, there exists a convincing argument that AAA is dumb—and an equally convincing argument that not-A is dumb.


A few key points to sharpen it:

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1. You’re exploiting loss framing​

Humans are much better at noticing costs than expected value.
So if I define “dumb” as contains risk, pain, effort, or tradeoffs, then everything qualifies.


That doesn’t mean everything is actually dumb — it means the definition is rigged.

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2. This is not wisdom, it’s a decision-paralyzing trick​

What you’re doing is logically similar to this:

“Any choice with downsides is irrational.
All choices have downsides.
Therefore all choices are irrational.”

That’s valid logic but a useless premise.


Real decision-making isn’t about avoiding downsides; it’s about choosing which downsides you’re willing to pay.

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3. “Dumb” ≠ “has costs”​

You’re collapsing multiple ideas into one word:

• risk
• discomfort
• opportunity cost
• emotional pain
• uncertainty

If any of those ⇒ “dumb”, then existence itself is dumb.


Breathing is dumb (you’ll die anyway).
Not breathing is dumb (you die immediately).

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4. The move you’re making is unfalsifiable​

Your position cannot be disproven because it’s not making a predictive claim.


You’re not saying:

“Doing X leads to worse outcomes on average.”

You’re saying:

“I can always construct a negative narrative.”

That’s always true — narratives are cheap.

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5. The hidden assumption​

The real assumption underneath all your examples is:

“An action must be guaranteed to succeed, feel good, and have no downside to be justified.”

That standard rules out every meaningful human activity:

• love
• ambition
• creativity
• morality
• growth

They’re all probabilistic, costly, and painful by design.

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6. The counter-move (if you want one)​

If someone says “X is dumb,” the correct response isn’t “no it isn’t.”


It’s:

“Compared to what alternative, under which values, and over what time horizon?”

Because once you specify those, your universal cynicism collapses into local tradeoffs.

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7. What this actually expresses (psychologically)​

This style of argument usually isn’t about logic.
It’s about risk aversion + disappointment avoidance:


If everything is dumb, then failure doesn’t hurt, because you never believed in anything.


It’s a shield, not a theory.

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One-line summary​

You’re right that everything has cons.
You’re wrong to conclude that this makes everything dumb.


It just means:

Life is choosing which pain is worth it.

If you want, I can:

• formalize this as a logical fallacy
• help you turn it into a philosophy that doesn’t dead-end
• or steelman the position and show where it actually holds up

Just say which direction.

 

[_MVP_]

Yeah, you're describing a very recognizable pattern: a kind of universal counter-argument machine that can always flip any course of action into something "dumb" by zooming in exclusively on its downsides.


Everything indeed has trade-offs. Every path has a cost, a risk, a shadow. You can always construct a narrative that makes any choice look irrational or painful if you focus hard enough on the cons while downplaying (or ignoring) the pros, the context, or the alternatives.


This mindset isn't wrong in its observation — it's just radically incomplete and often paralyzing. It's like having a permanently activated "loss frame" without ever switching to the "gain frame" or doing any actual weighing.


Philosophically, this lands close to a mix of:

• Buridan's ass (the donkey that starves because two equally good hay bales are perfectly symmetric → total decision paralysis from over symmetry in evaluation)
• A flavor of absurdism (Camus style: the mismatch between our desire for perfect justification/meaning and the world's refusal to provide it → everything can be made to look futile)
• A touch of decision-theoretic nihilism lite (if you demand zero-regret / zero-downside options, then literally nothing qualifies)

The punchline is: the ability to generate cons for everything doesn't make everything equally bad — it just means you're using an extremely loss-averse, perfectionist, or nihilistic lens.


In practice almost no one lives as if everything is equally dumb. People still choose — they date, they work, they take risks, they study, they approach, they lift, they create — even though a flawless argument against each exists.


So the real question becomes:

• Are you willing to accept that every valuable thing comes bundled with suck?
• Can you tolerate some downside (pain, risk, opportunity cost, rejection, effort, uncertainty) in exchange for the upsides?
• Or does the mere existence of any non-zero con make the whole thing categorically invalid in your eyes?

If it's the last one, then yes — literally nothing survives scrutiny. But that's not proof that everything is dumb; it's proof that your filter is tuned to "must be downside-free or bust", which is a standard almost nothing in biology, physics, economics, relationships, or human psychology can meet.


Most people who actually get somewhere in life don't pretend the cons don't exist — they just decide they're worth paying anyway.


The game isn't "find the option with zero cons" (impossible).


The game is closer to:

• What cons am I actually willing and able to carry?
• What bundle of pros/cons feels subjectively worth it to me, given my values, energy, timeline, personality?
• Can I live with the regret of not doing it more than the regret of doing it and failing?

Once you accept trade-offs as baked into reality instead of a disqualifying feature, the "everything is dumb" spell usually loses a lot of its power.


You can still cynically deconstruct anything — but you don't have to treat that deconstruction as the final word.


What do you think — is the pattern mostly a defense mechanism against disappointment/failure, or more of a genuine philosophical stance for you?

 

[_MVP_]

You’ve hit on a classic philosophical perspective often associated with cynicism or nihilism, but it’s actually a very powerful tool in logic called The Dilemma.

What you are describing is the realization that every human action exists within a trade-off. In economics, this is called Opportunity Cost; in philosophy, it’s often linked to the Buridan's Ass paradox—where a donkey, equally thirsty and hungry, dies because it cannot choose between water and hay.

Here are a few more "dumb" contradictions to add to your list:

• Speaking your mind is dumb because you create enemies; staying silent is dumb because you become a doormat.
• Saving money is dumb because inflation eats it and you might die tomorrow; spending money is dumb because you’ll be a pauper when you’re old.
• Trusting people is dumb because they can betray you; trusting no one is dumb because you’ll live a lonely, paranoid life.
• Exercising is dumb because it’s painful and causes wear and tear; being sedentary is dumb because your body withers away.

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Why this "Everything is Dumb" logic works​

You can argue anything is dumb because you are focusing exclusively on the cost of the action while ignoring the value of the outcome.

Logic usually follows this path:

1. The Perfectionist Fallacy: If a solution isn't perfect (has cons), it's "dumb."
2. The Certainty Trap: Since we cannot guarantee a 100% positive outcome, the risk is framed as a mistake.

The Flip Side: The "Everything is Genius" Argument​

The funny thing about logic is that you can flip your entire list using the exact same facts to argue that everything is smart:

• Taking risks is smart because it's the only way to achieve 10x growth.
• Playing it safe is smart because it ensures long-term survival.
• Approaching women is smart because it builds social resilience and eventually leads to companionship.
• Studying hard is smart because it expands your perception of the world.

The Bottom Line​

If every choice is "dumb," then the concept of "dumb" loses its meaning. If there is no perfect path, then the only truly "dumb" thing to do is to be paralyzed by the cons and do nothing at all—though, as you pointed out, doing nothing is also "dumb" because you waste your life.

Since you're clearly good at identifying the "trap" in every situation, would you like to try to find a scenario that is impossible to argue is dumb, or should we keep expanding the list of contradictions?