Everybody should be on a high carb diet with enough protein

[$Abomination]

Carbs are the most useless macronutrient. They can only be converted into energy or stored as glycogen.

Meanwhile proteins and fats can also be converted into the same, but they also function in other things.

You can have a diet completely devoid of carbs. You can't have a diet devoid of protein or fat (ik I have a very low fat intake but like I said, I'm on a cut - this is temporary).

What Mentzer said about carbs being protein sparing is just logically irrelevant. Ofc they're protein sparing, because they contain calories. So if you're in a deficit and you eat carbs you'll reduce your deficit and your body won't be catabolizing. But you can do the same eating fats or proteins.

As far as him saying carbs are part of hydration. Like I said, your body can convert fats and proteins into sugars and then into glycogen.

Excluding carbs doesn't do you any good other than maybe to reduce calories, but then you'd be restricting vegetables which have so much fiber they'd do you more good to just eat them.

 

[Never Get Up]

Most of his response to you was so wrong even Jews disagree Also could you send me any studys that prove your point as I do want to learn more about nutrition

These are my 4 main carnivore influencers I listen to on a daily basis.

Prof. Bart Kay
Edward A. Goeke
Dr. Gary Fettke
Dr. Paul Mason

But always remember, don’t just listen to everything someone tells you. Experiment yourself and observe others around you. Science is very complex and we don’t just have the power to prove everything. Most of the “science” nowadays is paid off and based upon associations, not cause and effect outcomes.

 

[Caspian]

These are my 4 main carnivore influencers I listen to on a daily basis.

What's the point of learning so much about it if you're so confident already? I mean what practicality do you get out of this? It's just fascination? I get why researchers would care about it, but why do you care past the point of knowing it's the best? why the tiny details interest you? just eat meat and that's it. You use lot of things in life that you don't know how they work, but you know they work. Why you care? just trying to understand. If I believed it so strongly, I would just follow it and let it do its thing.

 

[Never Get Up]

What's the point of learning so much about it if you're so confident already? I mean what practicality do you get out of this? It's just fascination? I get why researchers would care about it, but why do you care past the point of knowing it's the best? why the tiny details interest you? just eat meat and that's it. You use lot of things in life that you don't know how they work, but you know they work. Why you care? just trying to understand. If I believed it so strongly, I would just follow it and let it do its thing.

Why do you care to respond? If you believed so strongly that carnivore is not ideal, then why even debate with anyone? Why are you writing me paragraphs?

 

[Caspian]

Why do you care to respond? If you believed so strongly that carnivore is not ideal, then why even debate with anyone? Why are you writing me paragraphs?

Is that your response? I'm not anti carnivore. I was curious. I guess there's not much into it besides filling up time.

 

[Never Get Up]

Is that your response? I'm not anti carnivore. I was curious. I guess there's not much into it besides filling up time.

I constantly talk about it because I’m passionate behind the science. You are not black pilled if you’re still eating carbohydrates.

 

[Caspian]

I constantly talk about it because I’m passionate behind the science. You are not black pilled if you’re still eating carbohydrates.

You didn't get the question or you're too lazy to answer. It's alright. It's just amazement or what? there's no practicality for you.

 

[PsychoH]

Im going to link videos that explain why.

But TLDE

If you are wanting to leanmaxx

Eat whole food carbs and beef with little fat and drink 0 fat milk.

Carbs preserve muscle and its the easiest way to get shredded.

(Your body uses fat to create hormones and if you have stored fat it can use that, obviously you need fat if you are lean)


If you want to bulk.

Eat high carb and high fat with less protein,

Drink whole milk, eat spaghetti and potatoes and beef (ruminant animals)


If you want to maintain, eat high carb, low fat and medium protein.


Both Mike Mentzer and Ray Peat knew this about carbs while the mainstream was telling you they are bad.

Sure excessive consumption is, but that goes for everything.

True, protein is for repair only while carbs fuel the workout itself.
Carbs is the way to go.

 

[Never Get Up]

True, protein is for repair only while carbs fuel the workout itself.
Carbs is the way to go.

You’re correct!

Carbs are the way to go!

The way to go straight to the grave as a result of a shortened life span!

 

[greycel]

You’re correct!

Carbs are the way to go!

The way to go straight to the grave as a result of a shortened life span!

Thoughts on pescatarianism + fruits/vegetables?

Also does eating an only protein diet put stress on the body?

 

[TallDarkAndHandsome]

Im going to link videos that explain why.

But TLDE

If you are wanting to leanmaxx

Eat whole food carbs and beef with little fat and drink 0 fat milk.

Carbs preserve muscle and its the easiest way to get shredded.

(Your body uses fat to create hormones and if you have stored fat it can use that, obviously you need fat if you are lean)


If you want to bulk.

Eat high carb and high fat with less protein,

Drink whole milk, eat spaghetti and potatoes and beef (ruminant animals)


If you want to maintain, eat high carb, low fat and medium protein.


Both Mike Mentzer and Ray Peat knew this about carbs while the mainstream was telling you they are bad.

Sure excessive consumption is, but that goes for everything.

If you are sub 15% body fat I think it's ideal to eat around 35% of your total calories in fats for optimal hormones, body and brain function regardless if you're cutting, maintaining, or bulking but particularly cutting. I usually eat 2500-3000 total calories which in fats equates to 875-1050 cals and 97-116g. Then I eat around 1g/lb of protein which is around 170g of protein and 680 calories. Then you just backfill the remaining amount with carbohydrates which in this case will be 945-1270 calories or 236-318g of carbohydrates.

 

[PsychoH]

You’re correct!

Carbs are the way to go!

The way to go straight to the grave as a result of a shortened life span!

no thats not true.

 

[Never Get Up]

Thoughts on pescatarianism + fruits/vegetables?

Also does eating an only protein diet put stress on the body?

1. You shouldn’t only eat sea food
2. Fruits and vegetables are not food for humans

 

[psychomandible]

You didn't get the question or you're too lazy to answer. It's alright. It's just amazement or what? there's no practicality for you.

Why do you do learn more about anything why do you debate other people if you believe in your own thing beacuse you want to learn and not everything is known what if. @Never Get Up decides his not going to keep researching and then later on down the line comes out new solid proof that a different diet is way better but beacuse he has stopped wanting to find out more beacuse he already has his opinion he well still be doing the same old thing even if iys proven to not be the most optimal

 

[Never Get Up]

Why do you do learn more about anything why do you debate other people if you believe in your own thing beacuse you want to learn and not everything is known what if. @Never Get Up decides his not going to keep researching and then later on down the line comes out new solid proof that a different diet is way better but beacuse he has stopped wanting to find out more beacuse he already has his opinion he well still be doing the same old thing even if iys proven to not be the most optimal

Don’t even waste your time with such low IQ specimens. There’s 1 thing to be stupid and arrogant. Then there’s another to be ignorant, but willing to learn via higher intellectuals.

 

[psychomandible]

Don’t even waste your time with such low IQ specimens. There’s 1 thing to be stupid and arrogant. Then there’s another to be ignorant, but willing to learn via higher intellectuals.

This is the exact problem is that people nowadays think that they know everything and don't try to challenge their ideas and then when someone does try and learn they get confused like it's alien to them

 

[Never Get Up]

This is the exact problem is that people nowadays think that they know everything and don't try to challenge their ideas and then when someone does try and learn they get confused like it's alien to them

That’s due to the brain fog caused by the consumption of plant toxins.

Once you go carnivore, your optimism and eager to seek more knowledge vastly increases.

 

[psychomandible]

That’s due to the brain fog caused by the consumption of plant toxins.

Once you go carnivore, your optimism and eager to seek more knowledge vastly increases.

If this is true (I'm not saying you're wrong but i still have a open mind) then everyone is cooked when I go carnivore

 

[Aladin]

Incorrect.

Nope, honey is not the same as processed sugar.

All carbohydrates carbohydrates break down into glucose except for fructose. It doesn’t matter if it’s “processed” or not.

“All men produce sperm with their testocles, it doesn’t matter if they’re black or white, thus all men are the same.”

Quick question: are “same” and “similar” the same thing?

 

[NoaA99]

It obviously depends. I have a super fast metabolism and can eat literally 5000-7000 calories at 25 without doing too much Sport and do not get particularly overweight and my blood sugar also maintains a fairly normal value. Blood work was also relatively fine.
In my case I need many carbs to feel refreshed and awake. Though this is obviously not healthy. Just the damage is relatively lower or the trashhold for these individuals is just higher.
High protein is a must, although not excessively. You can preserve large portions of muscle without even liftring in the meantime simply by consuming adequate and high protein amounts.

 

[Mike141]

watch this video before responding

ray peat speaks like he’s getting throat fucked by 3 tyrones

 

[Deleted member 81734]

ray peat speaks like he’s getting throat fucked by 3 tyrones

because he developed neurological disorders due to carb intake. they’re poison

 

[dad]

you are extremely cooked

 

[Deleted member 81734]

I know your like 12 because you didnt even debunk my claim about carnivore being the equivalent of taking the redpill...

blackpill diet is peatism

ray peaters always end up diabetic/pre-diabetic with a host of health issues they ignore(and a deranged list of health issues they believe they have since they are hypochondriacs).
the ray peat diet is just the standard american diet in terms of macronutrient composition.

 

[mug]

ray peaters always end up diabetic/pre-diabetic with a host of health issues they ignore(and a deranged list of health issues they believe they have since they are hypochondriacs).
the ray peat diet is just the standard american diet in terms of macronutrient composition.

Ive been eating high carb for all my life and am not diabetic

The Standard American diet without bread and seed oils is fine…

Carnivore is more marketable thats why you believe it but good luck with your adrenals lol

 

[Deleted member 81734]

Ive been eating high carb for all my life and am not diabetic

The Standard American diet without bread and seed oils is fine…

Carnivore is more marketable thats why you believe it but good luck with your adrenals lol

no the standard american diet is not fine without bread or seed oils, it inevitably leads to diabetes

 

[mug]

no the standard american diet is not fine without bread or seed oils, it inevitably leads to diabetes

Your gonna get diabetes after having an icecream because your mitochondria cant process carbs.

I think the best diet is whole foods and high protein and adjust fat / carbs to your needs but carbs are good they are the most efficient fuel

 

[Deleted member 81734]

Your gonna get diabetes after having an icecream because your mitochondria cant process carbs.

I think the best diet is whole foods and high protein and adjust fat / carbs to your needs but carbs are good they are the most efficient fuel

i dont eat ice cream.

 

[mug]

i dont eat ice cream.

I’ll look into it more but to my knowledge the best diet is a low stress diet that uses oxygen and sugar to make fuel ketosis is a starvation state

 

[averagenormie]

yeah obviously not but carbs are good for you, when you eat carbs your giving your cells the necessary nutrients to produce energy, lower stress, produce more T, when you eat low carb your body is using the stress metabolism, and is actually burning fat, but that makes it hard for your body to use fat because when you do keto / fast / carnivore, your body is releasing fatty acids into the cells especially if you had seed oils before, and the fatty acids have a soap like structure that destroy your mitochondria.

whereas if you eat carbs, fatty acids are taken into the liver and processed there for making hormones instead of powering cells, and fats actually do this at rest, they power your muscle cells at rest but when you have cortisol (exercising, running ) your muscles need sugar

What about glycation and collagen when you consume sugar?

 

[kyrre]

@EatRiceBeNice

 

[darwizzy27]

Im going to link videos that explain why.

But TLDE

If you are wanting to leanmaxx

Eat whole food carbs and beef with little fat and drink 0 fat milk.

Carbs preserve muscle and its the easiest way to get shredded.

(Your body uses fat to create hormones and if you have stored fat it can use that, obviously you need fat if you are lean)


If you want to bulk.

Eat high carb and high fat with less protein,

Drink whole milk, eat spaghetti and potatoes and beef (ruminant animals)


If you want to maintain, eat high carb, low fat and medium protein.


Both Mike Mentzer and Ray Peat knew this about carbs while the mainstream was telling you they are bad.

Sure excessive consumption is, but that goes for everything.

Mike Mentzer was a crackhead

 

[Nowiff.Belgrade]

Honey is not just sugar.

Yeah it's filled with fructose which is worse for you

 

[averagenormie]

1. There are 0 100% controlled, long term studies with humans locked in labs for multiple decades to provide proof on ANY aspect of health and nutrition science.



2. ALL exogenous carbohydrates break down into glucose leading to raised glucose levels which is UNDOUBTEDLY the cause of diabetes (elevated blood glucose).



3. Humans evolved off of the animal fat and muscle meat of large ruminant animals, NOT plants.



4. You can eat carbohydrates alone without animal fat or protein (veganism), however if you do so for multiple years, your health will fail on you. 84% of vegans quit around the 5 year mark on average. Most experienced catastrophic heath problems.



5. If you mix carbohydrates and fats (omnivore diet), then you will be activating the Randle Cycle 24/7 also known as chronic inflammation.



6. The glycation from the carbohydrates will be persistent no matter how much you work out. You can not outrun a bad diet such as eating carbohydrate plant toxins.



7. When it comes to science, you base it off of HARD FACTS, not associations. Your claim that certain populations live longer due to a certain lifestyle (even though you yourself are not observing what they eat at EVERY meal), is just a fallacy and incompetent misanthropic Dunning-Kruger.

So how do you prevent/stop or even reverse glycation?

 

[Spidermanne2returns]

Yeah it's filled with fructose which is worse for you

How is fructose bad?

 

[Nowiff.Belgrade]

How is fructose bad?

Metabolised in liver
Causes more glycation
Reduced ATP levels and impaired ATP production

 

[Spidermanne2returns]

Metabolised in liver
Causes more glycation
Reduced ATP levels and impaired ATP production

I eat 40g worth of fructose per day fuck

 

[Katharsis]

Ah yes eat a lot of carbs and be bloated 24/7

 

[SoundnVision]

Carbs looksmin your face

 

[averagenormie]

Ah yes eat a lot of carbs and be bloated 24/7

Do you eat the fat from the meat raw or you make a tallow and mix it with raw meat as its easier to eat this way?

 

[deadstock]

ray peat speaks like he’s getting throat fucked by 3 tyrones

Jfl